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We haven't solved this problem yet!

Banks is awful! How much did we pay this guy???? How many more games does he need to convince D'Antoni that he sucks.

I don't know why Rose is not played more by D'Antoni. He can certainly play point. I'd like to see what he can do.

I would like to see Barbosa, Rose, and Diaw play backup point and have Banks take the far end of the bench.
 

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No kidding... I really wish there was a way we could have picked him up in the draft... :|

You mean like, uh, drafting him for instance? The Suns had a pick when he was on the board (as you probably know).
 

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Banks did well in the few minutes.

Any backup PG in the world would be a huge downgrade to Steve Nash, you will complain anyway. Nash plays way too good to sit on the bench especially last night in a close game. Unless you get us Chris Paul, Deron Williams or Jason Kidd as a backup that will always be the case.
 

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He is supposed to relieve Nash and cut his minutes... at least Nash is getting 4 min breaks now... :rolleyes:

All I'm pointing out is that he was effective in the time he was on the floor. He could have been 0-3 shooting with no assists and 2tos in the same period of time and it may not have gone into OT in the first place. If you wanna talk about his limited minutes, ask D'Antoni about that....
 

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I honestly haven't watched him very closely yet, but it seems to me the biggest problem with Marcus banks right now is that he can't hit his shots. I can't remember the last time I saw him make an outside shot.

I knew why other teams and possibly the Phoenix Suns passed on Marcus Williams, but I've also thought since draft night that it was a big mistake. The thing that gets me is that Coach Mike said right after the draft that the reason they passed on him was that they didn't think he could push the ball at their tempo. That's where I call BS. Anybody who watched the tournament last year could see that Marcus Williams is very good at pushing the ball.

If the Phoenix Suns had said something like, "we weren't about to draft a guy who failed his interviews, had legal trouble in college, and came into draft tryouts 15-20 pounds overweight," I would have much more respect for their decision to pass on him. That makes sense. The reason coach Mike Dave does not.

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30 million wrongs

It's probably trivia now, but I thought Banks signed a 5 year, 21 million contract with the Suns (if you were referring to salary).
 

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I knew why other teams and possibly the Phoenix Suns passed on Marcus Williams, but I've also thought since draft night that it was a big mistake. The thing that gets me is that Coach Mike said right after the draft that the reason they passed on him was that they didn't think he could push the ball at their tempo. That's where I call BS. Anybody who watched the tournament last year could see that Marcus Williams is very good at pushing the ball.

If the Phoenix Suns had said something like, "we weren't about to draft a guy who failed his interviews, had legal trouble in college, and came into draft tryouts 15-20 pounds overweight," I would have much more respect for their decision to pass on him. That makes sense. The reason coach Mike Dave does not.

Joe Mama

Word was that the Suns didn't do their homework as they weren't expecting him to be available when their turn came up. They weren't prepared for that possibility.
 

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I honestly haven't watched him very closely yet, but it seems to me the biggest problem with Marcus banks right now is that he can't hit his shots. I can't remember the last time I saw him make an outside shot.

I knew why other teams and possibly the Phoenix Suns passed on Marcus Williams, but I've also thought since draft night that it was a big mistake. The thing that gets me is that Coach Mike said right after the draft that the reason they passed on him was that they didn't think he could push the ball at their tempo. That's where I call BS. Anybody who watched the tournament last year could see that Marcus Williams is very good at pushing the ball.

If the Phoenix Suns had said something like, "we weren't about to draft a guy who failed his interviews, had legal trouble in college, and came into draft tryouts 15-20 pounds overweight," I would have much more respect for their decision to pass on him. That makes sense. The reason coach Mike Dave does not.

Joe Mama

I think you nailed it. I'm thinking the Suns will need to draft a PG in this coming draft if Banks cannot find his role on this team. I'm hoping Banks can come around because I would like the Suns to draft big in this coming draft. However, right now I see the Suns trying to get a PG with one of their picks. I'm not sure what the Suns are going to do with the luxury tax.
 

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Word was that the Suns didn't do their homework as they weren't expecting him to be available when their turn came up. They weren't prepared for that possibility.

Word from who? I haven't heard it, but I can see how it makes sense.
 

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Word was that the Suns didn't do their homework as they weren't expecting him to be available when their turn came up. They weren't prepared for that possibility.

I think this is the same reason the Suns did not draft Karl Malone.
 

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So far Banks is a bust for the suns.

He may get better, and we can only hope.

Tonight we can see Rondo who we drafted and traded to the Celtics.

The thing about the draft last year was that everyone knew we needed a back-up point guard, and the suns passed on three players for less money, that may be better then Banks even short term.
Rondo, Williams, and Sergio seem to know how to run a team and have the game to play in the NBA.
I do not think that trading Rondo was a bad deal, after all they got rid of Grants salary and did get a pick back. The 2nd pick for $3 mil is that one that bothered me.
It now appears that even drafting Rondo or Williams, (who was not available on the 2nd pick) and eating Grants contract may have been the thing to do. The point guard situation is a major thing for this team and we do not have a good back-up and are hoping to win it all this year.
I thought the least they should have done after passing the draft picks, was signing a good vet instead of someone like Banks who has had apx. two decent months playing for MN last year after 3 not so good years in Boston, and paying him big bucks.

P.S. Banks is not hitting his shots right now, but the part that bothers me is that he looks lost out there unless he is taking the ball to the basket. He does not appear to know how to run a team!
 
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So far Banks is a bust for the suns.

He may get better, and we can only hope.

Tonight we can see Rondo who we drafted and traded to the Celtics.

The thing about the draft last year was that everyone knew we needed a back-up point guard, and the suns passed on three players for less money, that may be better then Banks even short term.
Rondo, Williams, and Sergio seem to know how to run a team and have the game to play in the NBA.
I do not think that trading Rondo was a bad deal, after all they got rid of Grants salary and did get a pick back. The 2nd pick for $3 mil is that one that bothered me.
It now appears that even drafting Rondo or Williams, (who was not available on the 2nd pick) and eating Grants contract may have been the thing to do. The point guard situation is a major thing for this team and we do not have a good back-up and are hoping to win it all this year.
I thought the least they should have done after passing the draft picks, was signing a good vet instead of someone like Banks who has had apx. two decent months playing for MN last year after 3 not so good years in Boston, and paying him big bucks.


Agreed... at least so far about Banks.

Since Banks has a history with Boston this should bring out the best of him if he gets playing time tonight. If he cannot light it up against Boston, then when can he ?
 

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This is an insider article so I couldn't post everything, but John Hollinger gives progress reports for all rookies. He doesn't really like many of 'em so far, but here's what he had to say about Williams and Rondo. Lets just say they aren't favorable. I tend to agree with him.


Marcus Williams, Nets: The Nets thought they were getting the next Mark Jackson, not the next World B. Free.

But Williams has shown much more willingness to create shots for himself than for others thus far, which wouldn't be a problem if some of those shots came in the paint or went in the basket. He's hitting 41.5 percent, including 20.0 percent on 3-pointers, and his turnover rate has stayed stubbornly high despite a lack of assists to compensate.

Dude, you've got Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson on your team -- share the rock.


Rajon Rondo, Celtics: I put Rondo here only because expectations had been so elevated by his spectacular preseason.

Now that the real games have started, Rondo's limitations have become more apparent -- namely that no matter how impressive the rest of his game is, his inability to score is a huge problem.

Rondo averages only 8.8 points per 40 minutes, on 35.1 percent shooting. He hasn't made a 3-pointer and shoots 56.3 percent from the line, and he has more turnovers than baskets. There aren't enough Tommy Points in the world to overcome that.



http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&id=2690890
 
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Thanks for posting that Redstripe. I wanted to read that article, but I'm not an insider.
 

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Like I have pointed out before, it took Bell and Thomas almost half the season before they were comfortable in the Suns system and backing up Nash has to be the hardest position to fill.

If Banks can bring the ball up, attack the basket on offense, and play solid defense I will be happy for now. Despite his early struggles I think he could still a solid player for the Suns in the future.

The offense can go through Diaw and Barbosa, defense on the opposing PG is where Banks can make the most impact right now.
 

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This is an insider article so I couldn't post everything, but John Hollinger gives progress reports for all rookies. He doesn't really like many of 'em so far, but here's what he had to say about Williams and Rondo. Lets just say they aren't favorable. I tend to agree with him.

What about Jordan Farmar? Or Kyle Lowry before he got hurt? Even if your opinion of them is not favorable, they're getting paid essentially chump chamge and have room to grow whereas Marcus Banks is getting paid $5 million a year to gain poor reviews in his prime.

It was a bad decision then and remains one now, no use trying to spin it.
 

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What about Jordan Farmar? Or Kyle Lowry before he got hurt? Even if your opinion of them is not favorable, they're getting paid essentially chump chamge and have room to grow whereas Marcus Banks is getting paid $5 million a year to gain poor reviews in his prime.

It was a bad decision then and remains one now, no use trying to spin it.

I'm not defending the decision, but let's keep in mind that Williams and Rondo aren't exactly world beaters. MWill had several character issues, continues to pass up teammates and shoots the three at a feeble 20% (not to mention I would never want anyone on my squad that wears his headband like he does).

Rondo was a classic underachiever at Kentucky who is essentially Barbosa minus the shooting abilities. Would you want to rely on either of these guys during the playoffs? I wouldn't. I will be the first to tell you that Banks has played HORRIBLE so far this season. But he can't possibly get any worse, he really can't. He was brought in here to play tough D which he is getting back to.

Now we can argue all day long if Banks is worth the money or not: I know that he's not playing up to his contract right now, but it's not like he's getting a max deal. He's getting $4 mil a year, which in the NBA is very tradeable, especially if a pick is thrown in. We will draft a PG when we see one that could be groomed to take over once Nash is gone. The past couple years have been average at best for that position, so why would we waste our time when we are trying to win a title? Banks will work through things and there really is no need to hit the panic button yet. There will be some good backup PG's available at the deadline that can be had for peanuts if we feel the need.

We're on an 8-game winning streak and I'm not gonna sit here and complain. If you want to go back and draft a headcase who doesn't pass or a kid that can't get 10mins on a horrible Celtics squad then go for it.

My tune will change if Banks doesn't get his act together over the next 2 months. If he doesn't you'll be the first to hear me screaming for Blake or Diener.
 
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I agree on Marcus Williams and I haven't seen Rondo play yet. Williams has had some fantastic offensive games against us, but he really didn't run their offense, just looked to create for himself. The guy I wish we had kept was Sergio Rodriquez. He looked like he could run a team when we played the Blazers. I think he had 8-10 assists in very limited minutes against us. He's averaging 4 assists in 12 minutes per game. His defense is horrible, but he could definately be groomed to play like Nash and wouldn't be a total change in style when Nash is on the bench.
 

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