Charmin Marvin Harrison Jr Thread

[DaHilg]

He still has his issues although Canales has done a nice job with him.

Kyler is still better from the pocket. However, I will say Bryce having longer arms than Kyler helps him to make those side arm/awkward angle throws when faced with with pressure.

Its why since the Keim days I've been saying he needs an elite interior. His arm/throwing motion cant save plays when their is pressure up the middle.

We’ve had one of the worse interior lines since day 1 w kyler. With that, it makes it easier for the edge to contain to keep kyler in the pocket, while doing all out pressure up the middle. We’ve never had an OC that has deliberately roll out is beyond me.

 

[Shane]

And the usual suspects.. reminds me of a certain political party that will down vote anything in unison.

Please keep political commentary out of the cards board

 

[PDXChris]

We’ve had one of the worse interior lines since day 1 w kyler. With that, it makes it easier for the edge to contain to keep kyler in the pocket, while doing all out pressure up the middle. We’ve never had an OC that has deliberately roll out is beyond me.

The interior line was fine last season until Hernandez went down. The Seattle game with Colon starting next to Williams, who was overly rusty and tney all seems out of sync. That when the interior line really started to breakdown and it was the last game Colon played the entire game before Adams was being eased into starting. It felt like domino's falling.

@Harry what game did Paris initially tweak his knee in. I remember you said he was playing hurt for a bit.

 

[DaHilg]

The interior line was fine last season until Hernandez went down. The Seattle game with Colon starting next to Williams, who was overly rusty and tney all seems out of sync. That when the interior line really started to breakdown and it was the last game Colon played the entire game before Adams was being eased into starting. It felt like domino's falling.

@Harry what game did Paris initially tweak his knee in. I remember you said he was playing hurt for a bit.

Not against the pass.. was solid vs the run.

 

[GatorAZ]

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[oaken1]

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So, this draft doesn't have wow WRs...but they are among the most elusive

 

[Russ Smith]

Not that Steve Smith Sr is the end all final word but in a video out now he says he thinks the people around Marv were very smart to not let him run any 40's before the draft. That as highly rated as he was all it could have done was hurt him, that "he's not a burner" and that if he ran slower in the 40 than people expected it would have been bad news.

Does say Marv is excellent at running routes

 

[kerouac9]

Not that Steve Smith Sr is the end all final word but in a video out now he says he thinks the people around Marv were very smart to not let him run any 40's before the draft. That as highly rated as he was all it could have done was hurt him, that "he's not a burner" and that if he ran slower in the 40 than people expected it would have been bad news.

Does say Marv is excellent at running routes

None of this is really news

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

None of this is really news

It's the off-season... everything is news

 

[Russ Smith]

None of this is really news

No but it is an interesting point. The general feeling was Marv was a generational prospect and the #1 overall WR on everyone's board but what Smith and others are saying is had he run the 40, he might not have been.

The guys in the video were both at Marv's pro day and watched and Smith said it was obvious there, he's very good in routes, he looked like an NFL veteran in college, but it was very apparent he's not as fast as people may have thought he was. There's another point about short area quickness where they say if you compare him to Thomas, another big Wr, it's just obvious Thomas is much quicker and explosive. Smith thinks he had a good rookie year, I think he gave him a B-, and says he thinks he will get better but his concern is he doesn't have the top end speed people thought he had and that's why how the Cards tried to use him wasn't as successful as expected. we thought he'd be able to get open easier than he could.

I figured out why the video came across my feed too, Kyler did an interview that came out yesterday and in it he was asked about marv and said the connection has to be better and will and talked about Marvs growth etc.

 

[oaken1]

No but it is an interesting point. The general feeling was Marv was a generational prospect and the #1 overall WR on everyone's board but what Smith and others are saying is had he run the 40, he might not have been.

The guys in the video were both at Marv's pro day and watched and Smith said it was obvious there, he's very good in routes, he looked like an NFL veteran in college, but it was very apparent he's not as fast as people may have thought he was. There's another point about short area quickness where they say if you compare him to Thomas, another big Wr, it's just obvious Thomas is much quicker and explosive. Smith thinks he had a good rookie year, I think he gave him a B-, and says he thinks he will get better but his concern is he doesn't have the top end speed people thought he had and that's why how the Cards tried to use him wasn't as successful as expected. we thought he'd be able to get open easier than he could.

I figured out why the video came across my feed too, Kyler did an interview that came out yesterday and in it he was asked about marv and said the connection has to be better and will and talked about Marvs growth etc.

IMO its because Marv is a long strider. he has top end speed, just not burst.
He was clocked at over 22 MPH running with the ball his last year in college. second fastest in college behind...Jayden Daniels?was it?
but there is a big difference between speed and quickness..he probably skipped the 40 because it would have shown up in the splits

 

[GatorAZ]

IMO its because Marv is a long strider. he has top end speed, just not burst.
He was clocked at over 22 MPH running with the ball his last year in college. second fastest in college behind...Jayden Daniels?was it?
but there is a big difference between speed and quickness..he probably skipped the 40 because it would have shown up in the splits

McMillan was also clocked at 22 mph and run a 40 in the 4.5’s. I think Marv also would’ve gone low 4.5 which is why he didn’t run.

 

[HairZach]

Treylon Burks actually hit a higher MPH in college.

Marv's 22 MPH was hit right at the very end of a play where he ran over 50 yards in a completely straight line vs. Youngtown State. I think its a meaningless stat considering it took a buildup of 40 yards for him, again in a completely straight line, to actually hit that speed. Maybe we should start having him lineup 20 yards behind the LOS and start running in the seconds leading up the snap, otherwise he's not coming close to hitting those speeds in an NFL game.

To me the much more meaningful stat is 16.7 MPH top speed vs. Buffalo, one of the slowest ever recorded by a WR. I didnt care then because it was week 1, but he looked slow the rest of the season as well. 38% of his yards came in 3 games vs. teams missing 2-3 starters in the secondary. Corners lined up close to him all game long and he never once made actual starters pay by just running by them. He didnt show any improvement as the season went on, with his worst set of games being Seattle, New England and Carolina. I honestly think his 40 time would have been in the 4.6's at best.

We will see how he does in year 2. Last year he was not capable of being a true X receiver.

 

[Russ Smith]

Treylon Burks actually hit a higher MPH in college.

Marv's 22 MPH was hit right at the very end of a play where he ran over 50 yards in a completely straight line vs. Youngtown State. I think its a meaningless stat considering it took a buildup of 40 yards for him, again in a completely straight line, to actually hit that speed. Maybe we should start having him lineup 20 yards behind the LOS and start running in the seconds leading up the snap, otherwise he's not coming close to hitting those speeds in an NFL game.

To me the much more meaningful stat is 16.7 MPH top speed vs. Buffalo, one of the slowest ever recorded by a WR. I didnt care then because it was week 1, but he looked slow the rest of the season as well. 38% of his yards came in 3 games vs. teams missing 2-3 starters in the secondary. Corners lined up close to him all game long and he never once made actual starters pay by just running by them. He didnt show any improvement as the season went on, with his worst set of games being Seattle, New England and Carolina. I honestly think his 40 time would have been in the 4.6's at best.

We will see how he does in year 2. Last year he was not capable of being a true X receiver.

The NE game was the one where I started to really wonder. He was 1 on 1 against Gonzalez, who admittedly is a terrific young CB, and he could NOT get open. And we even had pretty good pass pro, Marv just couldn't separate in that game as the game went on the announcers started calling it out more and more because it was so glaring.

 

[cardsfanmd]

All the haters, please bookmark this comment:

Barring injury, I say Marv goes for 80+ 1000+ and 10+.

Don’t hesitate to call me out if it doesn’t happen, but if it does, do me (and your own anxiety level) a solid and just breathe a little before you pre-judge this year’s first couple picks’ careers as disappointments after they aren’t All-Pro as rookies, please.

 

[Russ Smith]

All the haters, please bookmark this comment:

Barring injury, I say Marv goes for 80+ 1000+ and 10+.

Don’t hesitate to call me out if it doesn’t happen, but if it does, do me (and your own anxiety level) a solid and just breathe a little before you pre-judge this year’s first couple picks’ careers as disappointments after they aren’t All-Pro as rookies, please.

I hope he does. The thing is we had our pick of Wr's in last years draft, we took Marv, there were 2 speed guys in that first round that went after him. and a year later we're actually in a position where either Burden or Golden could be in play for us if the edge or DT we want is not there in round 1. Not all Marvs' fault, we don't have a great WR room beyond him either, but at least as a rookie he wasn't the best WR in his class and was maybe 4th. Thomas and Nabers were clearly better, I would argue McConkey was too and if you expand beyond just WR to pass catchers, Bowers was better too.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Do you really think NFL scouts didn't have a 40 time on Marvin prior to him being drafted because he didn't run at the combine?????
He ran a 4.38 at the OSU pro day his sophomore year.

 

[HairZach]

Do you really think NFL scouts didn't have a 40 time on Marvin prior to him being drafted because he didn't run at the combine?????
He ran a 4.38 at the OSU pro day his sophomore year.

From what I see, he didnt actually run that time at his sophomore year pro day. Back then he told reporters he wanted to run a 4.38 at the combine the next year, but he never ran it. He hasnt run a 40 since 2021, where his times varied between 4.60-4.75

NFL scouts dont have full testing on most of the top prospects in this class. Guys who are highly rated dont test now.

 

[kerouac9]

All the haters, please bookmark this comment:

Barring injury, I say Marv goes for 80+ 1000+ and 10+.

Don’t hesitate to call me out if it doesn’t happen, but if it does, do me (and your own anxiety level) a solid and just breathe a little before you pre-judge this year’s first couple picks’ careers as disappointments after they aren’t All-Pro as rookies, please.

This is such a low bar to clear, tho. No one should be planting their flag and setting their goal at approx. 24th in yardage and 23rd in receptions.

We're gonna need more than that.

I think Charmin kind of overperformed in TDs last season. Eight receiving TDs was T-13 in the NFL; 10 or more TDs would have placed him in the top eight. I think you can expect McBride to have more than two TDs; those are going to have to come from somewhere.

You want Charmin to get more efficient. The rough heuristic I like to use is fantasy position ranking, since it aggregates receptions, yards, and TDs into one tidy number. He was WR26 last year. I'd like to see him move into WR10-16 kind of territory.

 

[SECTION 11]

I think the shot he took in the Green Bay game stuck with him the rest of the year.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

From what I see, he didnt actually run that time at his sophomore year pro day. Back then he told reporters he wanted to run a 4.38 at the combine the next year, but he never ran it. He hasnt run a 40 since 2021, where his times varied between 4.60-4.75

NFL scouts dont have full testing on most of the top prospects in this class. Guys who are highly rated dont test now.

I like my sources better on what scouts do and do not know and leave it at that.

I didn’t do an internet search like you obviously did.
There’s also a timed, according to the internet, 4.46 that he ran in high school. Did he get slower in college? That’d be weird.

 

[CardNots]

I hope he does. The thing is we had our pick of Wr's in last years draft, we took Marv, there were 2 speed guys in that first round that went after him. and a year later we're actually in a position where either Burden or Golden could be in play for us if the edge or DT we want is not there in round 1. Not all Marvs' fault, we don't have a great WR room beyond him either, but at least as a rookie he wasn't the best WR in his class and was maybe 4th. Thomas and Nabers were clearly better, I would argue McConkey was too and if you expand beyond just WR to pass catchers, Bowers was better too.

I do like MHJ’s height advantage in the red zone.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

This is such a low bar to clear, tho. No one should be planting their flag and setting their goal at approx. 24th in yardage and 23rd in receptions.

We're gonna need more than that.

I think Charmin kind of overperformed in TDs last season. Eight receiving TDs was T-13 in the NFL; 10 or more TDs would have placed him in the top eight. I think you can expect McBride to have more than two TDs; those are going to have to come from somewhere.

You want Charmin to get more efficient. The rough heuristic I like to use is fantasy position ranking, since it aggregates receptions, yards, and TDs into one tidy number. He was WR26 last year. I'd like to see him move into WR10-16 kind of territory.

1000 yards is less than 60 per game. Not really much of an accomplishment at this point.

 

[football karma]

big year for him coming up

what will he be? a plus possession receiver ........... or............ a dynamic game changing WR

 

[BirdGangThing]

we need mhj and mcbride to combine for 2,400+ yards