Balance of Power In West Much The Same

George O'Brien

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Baring a blockbuster trade or unexpected free agent signing, it looks like the top four teams will be (again) the Mavs, Suns, Clippers, and Spurs.

The Spurs traded Nesto and lost Mohamed, so I think they could drop from the elite. Duncan's on and off foot problems will become the center of attention because they are even more dependent on him playing at an MVP level.

The Clips are much the same by exchanging TT for VRad. This is a young team and should improve some, but their relatively slow lineup does not match up well with a healthy Suns team.

So far the Mavs big off season move has been to sign Greg Buckner while losing Adrien Griffin and of course Van Horn. The Mavs cannot afford to lose Jason Terry but Cuban knows there is no one with enough cap space to be a threat. Still, a difficult negotiation seems likely which could prove disruptive.

The Griz made a lot of changes in the off season. Drafting Rudy Gay and Kyle Lowry plus trading for Stomile Swift while losing Shane Battier and Bobby Jackson does not really give a picture of what to expect. They look like a solid playoff team, but don't look like they have improved enough to make a push.

The Jazz actually look to be one of the most improved. Draft pick Ronnie Brewer looks like a serious addition. Fisher is likely to be a lot more help than Devin Brown, Keith McCleod and Andre Owens. This looks like a playoff team, but probably not a contender.

It's hard to know how much impact the wholesalve changes the Hornets have made will have on that team. Peja can shoot and Chandler can rebound, but after unloading JR Smith and Snyder, it is not clear who is going to be their SG. Mason?

The Nuggets might have gotten into the playoffs in different division last season, but just barely. They've brought in JR Smith, whom the Hornets all but gave away. They could easily fall out of the playoffs if they don't make some serious changes.

The Wolves added Mike James and Randy Foye while losing Marcus Banks. As long as they have KG they are a contender to make the playoffs, but James has to seriously up his game to make much difference.

The Rockets unloaded Swift who was a terrible fit for Battier who may be a better fit - or maybe not. They added Kirt Snyder who should give them more depth. As for Spanoulis, who knows? Overall this team seems to be somewhat improved and a playoff contender. However, with the never healthy Bob Sura and Rafer Alston as their PG's...

Portland looks to be a better team, but it wouldn't take much. Drafting Roy and Aldridge are certainly great additions. Trading Ratliff for LeFrentz seems to be exchanging one injury ridden guy for another, but since Ratliff didn't play much this may work out. Roy would have to have a monster year for the Blazers to get into the playoffs.

Chris Mullen was a great player, but his personnel work with Golden State is not at the same level. In the draft, the Warriors took yet another project big man in Patrick O'Bryant. He joins Ike Diogu, Andris Beidrins, and Chris Taft as rookie contract big men. Added to Troy Murphy and Adonal Foye, it is hard to see how this pick helped. Trading Fisher for "who's he" only helped by subtraction.

Seattle added Sene. Assuming the keep Wilcox for another year, they might have enough to win about 30, but unless they do something dramatic this is not a playoff team.

The Lakers slipped into the playoffs last season when the Hornets fell apart. Picking up Radmonovic will give them another shooter. Since all they are losing is Devon George, this is probably a better team. Still, they are far from certain to get back to the playoffs.

As it stands now, the Suns and Mavs seem to be the teams to beat. The Spurs appear to be substantially weaker and the Clippers aren't at the elite level yet. No other team seems to be close to even these four.
 
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George O'Brien said:
So far the Mavs big off season move has been to sign Greg Buckner while losing Adrien Griffin and of course Van Horn. The Mavs cannot afford to lose Jason Terry but Cuban knows there is no one with enough cap space to be a threat. Still, a difficult negotiation seems likely which could prove disruptive.
:confused: Jason Terry signed for 6 years/$50 million at the start of free agency.
 

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You also forgot to mention Dallas lost Daniels and Croshere should be able to replace KVH. Also don't discount the improvements to young players like Shaun Livingston.
 

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you also failed to mention that after winning the title in 2003, the Spurs lost a HOFer at C who was vastly superior to the trash that is Rasho and Mohammed, so you can expect them to be able to do an adequate job replacing those stiffs, at leats to the extent they were able to do so with Robinson (see the Elson signing).

Thinking the Spurs aren't elite anymore is ridiculous.
 

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Yeah I didn't even see that. The Spurs are elite and I think Spurs/Mavs/Suns will battle it out for the best record in the league.
 

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The spurs aren't done. And they definitely can beat us in a 7 game series.

But if we are relatively healthy, for the first time since we started this run two years ago, I don't fear them one damn bit. It's kind of the way dallas fans felt all of last year, as they constantly said they can now matchup with the spurs.

That's how I feel, finally we've got guys that make each of their big three work to get their scores. But on the flip side, we've got several matchups that are gonna be tough for them.

Yes they can beat us. But this isn't like two years ago, when we had the best record in the league but I knew (and I'm sure most of us did) that we weren't beating the spurs in a 7 game series, wether joe was healthy or not. This upcoming year I say bring this on, not only do I want the title but I want to beat the spurs to get there. They've been our nemessis, as they were Dallas's, and it's time we took them down. However, unlike Dallas Dallas we'll get the job done once we beat them.
 
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I think that Rasho and Mohammed are better players than Elson and Butler.

Interesting about the games with the Spurs two years ago, I am not so sure the Spurs do run over us if JJ is not hurt. If I remember, ? they won the first two games in Phoenix by a total of 3 points? When JJ came back it was obvious being out for the length of time he was, he was not going to play real good. (Although the 2nd game back he did real well in the only win)

The other part of that is the Suns were really tired because the Mavs took us to 6 games after JJ went down. I think we beat them in 4-5 games with JJ. Then the suns would have had a couple more days rest. The Spurs had been waiting for the suns almost a week and the suns had to play with just one days rest without JJ.
I am not saying we would have beat the Spurs, but again injuries really hurt us that year in the playoffs.

If the suns do not have any injuries in the playoffs this year, they beat the Spurs!!! You heard it hear first!! :) :)
 

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On the trade of Swift that Houston made with the Grizzlies, I read that Swift was shocked and was not going to report there. I have not found anything else about that, has anyone?
 

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sunsfn said:
I think that Rasho and Mohammed are better players than Elson and Butler.

Interesting about the games with the Spurs two years ago, I am not so sure the Spurs do run over us if JJ is not hurt. If I remember, ? they won the first two games in Phoenix by a total of 3 points? When JJ came back it was obvious being out for the length of time he was, he was not going to play real good. (Although the 2nd game back he did real well in the only win)

actually, they beat us by 7 points in Game 1 and 3 points in Game 2 and both games were mirror imgaes of each other. We played balls to the wall, the Spurs lounged through three quarters, then kicked the crap out of us in 4th outscoring us by 17 and 13, respectively.

sunsfn said:
The other part of that is the Suns were really tired because the Mavs took us to 6 games after JJ went down. I think we beat them in 4-5 games with JJ. Then the suns would have had a couple more days rest. The Spurs had been waiting for the suns almost a week and the suns had to play with just one days rest without JJ.
I am not saying we would have beat the Spurs, but again injuries really hurt us that year in the playoffs.

Uh - the Spurs played the exact same number of games in their 2nd round series, going 6 games and their game 6 closeout came ONE night before ours. Waiting almost a week? Where did that come from?

I think we're more capable of beating the Spurs this year, as ell we should. We're deeper, we're more experienced and the Spurs will not be as good as they have been due to age/defections, but all that being said, to say the Spurs aren't elite anymore is freaking ridiculous. We still haven't shown the ability to play with and beat them and until them, losing Rasho and Mohammed don't make that much bit of difference, esepcially since we'll likely not see 2004-Amare Stoudemire out there.
 

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cheesebeef said:
actually, they beat us by 7 points in Game 1 and 3 points in Game 2 and both games were mirror imgaes of each other. We played balls to the wall, the Spurs lounged through three quarters, then kicked the crap out of us in 4th outscoring us by 17 and 13, respectively.

I remember we DOMINATED them in teh 3rd quarter of game 1 i think.

then barry and horry and etc... just rained threes on us in the 4th with their superior execution
 

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cheesebeef said:
...losing Rasho and Mohammed don't make that much bit of difference...
The loss of Robert Horry is a pretty big deal, though. I've got the Spurs penciled in as the 3rd seed, which means the Suns can probably avoid them again with a strong enough regular season.


Utah and Houston will probably make the playoffs next year, dumping Memphis (Battier) and whichever 'playoff team' has the most injuries. It wouldn't surprise me to see Golden State, Minnesota or NO/OKC make a push, either.
 

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F-Dog said:
The loss of Robert Horry is a pretty big deal, though. I've got the Spurs penciled in as the 3rd seed, which means the Suns can probably avoid them again with a strong enough regular season.quote]

You think that SA will finish with a better record than Dallas but a worse record than Denver, or who ever wins that Division?
 

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F-Dog said:
The loss of Robert Horry is a pretty big deal, though. I've got the Spurs penciled in as the 3rd seed, which means the Suns can probably avoid them again with a strong enough regular season.


Utah and Houston will probably make the playoffs next year, dumping Memphis (Battier) and whichever 'playoff team' has the most injuries. It wouldn't surprise me to see Golden State, Minnesota or NO/OKC make a push, either.

did Horry retire/sign with someone else? I hadn't heard that. If true, I like that very much. Robert Horry scares the crap out of me at the end of Suns games.

If the Spurs end up as the #3 seed, we're getting them in the 2nd round. I just don't see us having the best record in the West next year - too many pieces to put together. We SHOULD win our division, but the 2 seed is about as good as I'm expecting - which means we'll have to face Dallas or SA in the 2nd round. Anyway you cut it, with the improvements the Clippers made this offseason and Livingston getting another year under his belt, any 2nd round matchup is going to be a war.
 

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Drop D said:
You think that SA will finish with a better record than Dallas but a worse record than Denver, or who ever wins that Division?

Easily.

Last year, the Spurs went 63-19 and the best NW Division team went 44-38, so there's plenty of room for the Spurs to decline and still keep the #3 seed.
 

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F-Dog said:
Easily.

Last year, the Spurs went 63-19 and the best NW Division team went 44-38, so there's plenty of room for the Spurs to decline and still keep the #3 seed.

Last year, Denver was the #3 seed because they were the Division winner. The Division winners automatically get seeds 1-3.

I see either SA or Dallas being seeded 1 or 2 (probably #2 with Phx #1 :D ) with the other being seeded 4th or lower. Unless Denver blows up this year.
 

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cheesebeef said:
did Horry retire/sign with someone else? I hadn't heard that. If true, I like that very much. Robert Horry scares the crap out of me at the end of Suns games.
Well, there was a guy wearing Horry's jersey on the Spurs bench last year, but he answered to the name "Jim Jackson". He played about 17 mpg in the playoffs, shot 40%, and didn't guard anybody.

I hear Nick Van Exel will be wearing the Horry jersey next year. Jim Jax will probably switch over to a Bruce Bowen jersey. ;)

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If the Spurs end up as the #3 seed, we're getting them in the 2nd round. I just don't see us having the best record in the West next year - too many pieces to put together. We SHOULD win our division, but the 2 seed is about as good as I'm expecting - which means we'll have to face Dallas or SA in the 2nd round. Anyway you cut it, with the improvements the Clippers made this offseason and Livingston getting another year under his belt, any 2nd round matchup is going to be a war.

I don't know...the D'Antoni/Nash Suns are an awfully good regular-season team. I wouldn't bet against them to win 60 next year.

I'd definitely like to see them get the #1 seed, because I'm not scared of the Clips as long as Amare is in decent shape. Brand doesn't look nearly as good if Amare's around.
 

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Drop D said:
Last year, Denver was the #3 seed because they were the Division winner. The Division winners automatically get seeds 1-3.

I see either SA or Dallas being seeded 1 or 2 (probably #2 with Phx #1 :D ) with the other being seeded 4th or lower. Unless Denver blows up this year.

correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the NBA change the playoff seeding rules after the fiasco this year and that the top 4 records, now get the top seeds?
 

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i was gonna post that too cheese. division winners are now only given top 4 seeds...not top 3.
 

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F-Dog said:
Well, there was a guy wearing Horry's jersey on the Spurs bench last year, but he answered to the name "Jim Jackson". He played about 17 mpg in the playoffs, shot 40%, and didn't guard anybody.

I hear Nick Van Exel will be wearing the Horry jersey next year. Jim Jax will probably switch over to a Bruce Bowen jersey. ;)

Ok, now you're really confusing. Jim Jackson finished the season with the Lakers, not the Spurs.
 

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cheesebeef said:
correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the NBA change the playoff seeding rules after the fiasco this year and that the top 4 records, now get the top seeds?

Pretty much. The division winners are locked into a top 4 seed(so if the NW blows again this year there may be a team with a better record below them) but the seedings 1-4 are based on records and HCA is based on seeding not record.
 

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Chaplin said:
Ok, now you're really confusing. Jim Jackson finished the season with the Lakers, not the Spurs.
No, that was Steve Smith. Or maybe it was Penny Hardaway.
 

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