Ban the Tush Push Play

[BritCard]

Strong disagree. Eagles used their brains and came up with an advantage within the rules. If other teams can't do it as well then that's on them.

 

[Dback Jon]

They’re not going to ban something that only one team truly has success with it. Hell, Buffalo with Josh Allen made it look impossible to convert.

Unless it was the Cardinals.


But they have made rule changes based one team exploiting a loophole

 

[tennis-player]

So rules are based entirely on injury risk?

No, but player safety was the argument used in the attempt to get the Rules Committee to ban it.

 

[602 Native]

Strong disagree. Eagles used their brains and came up with an advantage within the rules. If other teams can't do it as well then that's on them.

This is absolutely how I feel.

Either do it or learn to stop it.

 

[Sandan]

Yeah… I don’t get banning it. It’s smash mouth football. Doesn’t seem like there’s anything illegal. It’s about as Mano-a-Mano as the sport gets and just because one team’s perfected it, shouldn’t mean they should be penalized for it, IMO.

Don't I remember a time when pushing your own player was illegal ?

 

[MadCardDisease]

That's the way it always was. Only recently was the tush push made legal.

It's been 20 years (2005) since the NFL said that pushing a player was not a penalty but pulling a player was.

That is over a third of the years in the NFL Super Bowl era. I guess that maybe to old farts like us that is considered recently.

 

[slanidrac16]

How about you stop them BEFORE they get to 3rd or 4th and one?

 

[gimpy]

How about you stop them BEFORE they get to 3rd or 4th and one?

Yeah, how about you stop them before.



A lot easier said than done.

 

[vince56]

The "tush push play" should be banned. It was no fun watching the Eagles-Commanders Championship game and seeing this constantly used by the Eagles and their QB Hurts. Sorry but IMO this is not football.

Only a few years ago you couldn’t push a ball carrier on your team from behind. The change in that rule led to the Tush Push. Just revert that rule and it eliminates players getting squashed between their own teammate and a tackler.

 

[vince56]

keep the tush play - get rid of all the new kick off bs

The “new kick off bs” has led to less injuries, more returns, and more TDs on returns.

It actually improved the game. Why revert?

 

[cardpa]

To play devil's advocate here, if a defense is allowed to gang tackle and push the runner/receiver back to keep them from making a FD or TD then why should it be illegal for an offensive player to push their teammate forward to help get a FD or TD? There are a lot more gang tackles where two or more defenders are tackling an offensive player in a game than a tush push.

 

[MadCardDisease]

To play devil's advocate here, if a defense is allowed to gang tackle and push the runner/receiver back to keep them from making a FD or TD then why should it be illegal for an offensive player to push their teammate forward to help get a FD or TD? There are a lot more gang tackles where two or more defenders are tackling an offensive player in a game than a tush push.

That's kind of a reach. The defense is trying to tackle the runner not push them back. I don't see the comparison between a gang tackle and pushing the ball carrier.

 

[kerouac9]

The “new kick off bs” has led to less injuries, more returns, and more TDs on returns.

It actually improved the game. Why revert?

Kick return TDs went from 4 to 7

 

[dreamcastrocks]

No, until recently it was illegal to assist in the forward progress of another player.

I thought the rule was changed so you couldn't pull people forward, pushing as always been allowed. We've seen it on run plays down the field for decades now...

 

[Sandan]

To play devil's advocate here, if a defense is allowed to gang tackle and push the runner/receiver back to keep them from making a FD or TD then why should it be illegal for an offensive player to push their teammate forward to help get a FD or TD? There are a lot more gang tackles where two or more defenders are tackling an offensive player in a game than a tush push.

Pushing a runner back is moot as spot is based on forward progress.

Totally different

 

[kerouac9]

Pushing a runner back is moot as spot is based on forward progress.

Totally different

Yes but sometimes an additional defender is needed to stop forward progress, or at least direct it laterally.

Also, it’s super-fun when a runner looks like he’s bottled up and an OL or TE comes in to give him a little extra forward momentum.

The last thing the NFL needs is more rules and penalties. Making it harder to get a first down means fewer TDs and 4th down attempts (which are good and fun) and more field goals and punts (which are lame and bad).

I’ll never understand people advocating for fewer exciting moments.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Kick return TDs went from 4 to 7

arena ball tds

 

[kerouac9]

arena ball tds

And the percentage of kicks returned for TDs actually went down. Returns more than doubled -- almost tripled.

I don't really care one way or another; the play looks fundamentally weird. I don't think there's another football play where the ball moves and no one else does.

 

[BirdGangThing]

And the percentage of kicks returned for TDs actually went down. Returns more than doubled -- almost tripled.

I don't really care one way or another; the play looks fundamentally weird. I don't think there's another football play where the ball moves and no one else does.

let's everybody stay perfectly still and watch the ball fly over our heads

 

[Devilmaycare]

And the percentage of kicks returned for TDs actually went down. Returns more than doubled -- almost tripled.

I don't really care one way or another; the play looks fundamentally weird. I don't think there's another football play where the ball moves and no one else does.

Looks funny and I don't like it because it removes some options for on side kicks. They don't happen often but I like having the option of a trick or surprise one. I still have the same complaint of the PAT kick being on the 15 instead of the 2. No trick 2 pointers.

 

[schutd]

Agreed - if a defensive person can't use another defensive person for leverage on a kick, why is the offense allowed to do the same?

I vaguely remember it being illegal for another offensive player to help a ball carrier with forward progress. I also think that rule was changed, hence, here we are. If they're allowed by the rules to do it, the impetus is to find a way to stop it. I hate it. I think its garbage football. But its within the rules.

I loved the Commanders safety continually leaping the line, trying to time the snap. And then the ref threatening to award philly a TD if he kept going over the top. That was The Commies trying to find a way to stop it. Silly.

 

[tennis-player]

Only a few years ago you couldn’t push a ball carrier on your team from behind. The change in that rule led to the Tush Push. Just revert that rule and it eliminates players getting squashed between their own teammate and a tackler.

Did you not read the post three above yours? It has been 20 years since pushing the ball carrier forward has been illegal.

 

[phillycard]

Edited it to what I meant.

The issue isn't the QB sneak, the issue is the player being pushed forward from behind.

This actually isn't a bad idea at all bro!

 

[Rivercard]

The “new kick off bs” has led to less injuries, more returns, and more TDs on returns.

It actually improved the game. Why revert?

I don't mind the kickoff, in fact I'm surprised more special teams coaches don't try to be more creative with the new formations.

What needs to be changed are the onside kick rules. It's almost impossible to convert an onside kick right now. You'd have better odds trying to pooch a kickoff short and hope the ball takes some wacky bounces in your favor.

 

[oaken1]

To play devil's advocate here, if a defense is allowed to gang tackle and push the runner/receiver back to keep them from making a FD or TD then why should it be illegal for an offensive player to push their teammate forward to help get a FD or TD? There are a lot more gang tackles where two or more defenders are tackling an offensive player in a game than a tush push.

But, the offensive player is granted forward progress to the point he made before being pushed back.

so, to be fair, we can grant the QB forward progress to the point he was at before being pushed forward.
good plan.