Barkley's Comment on Colangelo Situation

[elindholm]

Ha, that's great! Excellent idea. Do they have a red one too? Also, I think blue is supposed to be the lowest level, but whatever -- it still works.

 

[nathan]

Ha, that's great! Excellent idea. Do they have a red one too? Also, I think blue is supposed to be the lowest level, but whatever -- it still works.

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[boisesuns]

Ha, that's great! Excellent idea. Do they have a red one too? Also, I think blue is supposed to be the lowest level, but whatever -- it still works.

Thanks for finding that nm132. Let's just hope we don't have to use it

 

[Joe Mama]

"it has to start at the top": thats Sarver, or previously Jerry Colangelo, not Bryan Colangelo. I'm betting that Sarver had more to do with Nash wanting to sign and Amare seems to be closer to Sarver. Still, I dont buy the "starts at the top" crap as the reason for success. I think that it all starts and ends at the player level. Our euro look, probably has to do with D'Antoni. Great player development has to do with Ivaroni, Gentry, Weber, and Dan D'Antoni. (Mike)D'Antoni seems to be able to get alot of different personalities to mesh. Somehow, he has a whole range of basketball personalities "on the same page", as THE most unselfish team in the NBA. This is especially difficult given that NBA convention is to pay the more selfish players(ppg) the most come contract time.

And who do you think it was that wanted D'Antoni to coach the Phoenix Suns?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

You mean:

LAKER FAN ALERT

 

[Folster]

Lets not give BC too much credit here: Amare wanted KT, Nash wanted Bell, How about D Antoni and the coaches? Who were their choices? Many of our players are having career years, so they were underrated, or maybe they just developed into better players(credit coaches). Just because BC was in charge, doesnt mean all personnel decisions were his idea. Everyone knows that managers manage, but they dont do the x's and o's as much as your coaches and talent evaluators. Granted, BC was part of the process, but he was not THE process. I would pay D'Antoni more than BC based on impact.

Let's not give him too much credit for the success? If the moves didn't work out and we were lottery bound than he would surely shoulder most of the blame. Correct?

The fact is that BC has been brilliant as of late.

 

[myrondizzo]

how many GM's have we gone through vs the number of coaches? the coach almost always takes the fall. and GM's get the credit.

 

[George O'Brien]

how many GM's have we gone through vs the number of coaches? the coach almost always takes the fall. and GM's get the credit.

That unless the coach is an "icon" like Phil Jackson or Larry Brown.

 

[Folster]

how many GM's have we gone through vs the number of coaches? the coach almost always takes the fall. and GM's get the credit.

Noted, but the Suns situation was different this year. A number of roster moves were made. D'Antoni's ability was not in question. If the Suns would have slumped this year, aside from the Stoudemire injury, BC or perhaps Sarver would have been blamed, not D'Antoni.

 

[myrondizzo]

westphal, ainge, skiles, and johnson have all come and gone in the past decade or so. and every time it was due largely to the GM not putting the right players together. he surrounded kid with nonathletic shooters and then marbury with athletic runners. no coach in the world could have made that work.

 

[nothin' but net]

I set the over/under number at 8.5, for the number of posts between a mention of phx winning a championship and BIM chiming in with a reminder that our trophy shelf is empty.

Has it ever been fewer than 8.5? I know which way I'd bet that line.

I think people might have gotten the 8.5 number, but just in case... that is how many games they are behind in their division. It could be their finish in the western conference as well, but I'm sure the league officials would have to round that one up to 9.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

lets not start with the BC backlash. this is just what happened last time with JJ. by the end of it, JJ's image was destroyed in the phoenix area.

i'm not throwing BC under a bus. he's done a great job. imo, getting rid of him is foolhardy and something only a control freak would want. however, you don't make many millions without being a control freak.

totally agree.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

The fact is that BC has been brilliant as of late.

Or you could say he's been brilliant since Sarver got here.

As much as people want to make this into some soap opera about Sarver's ego and BC's desire to get out ferom under his Dad's shadow, it really only comes down to one thing: money. Toronto's offering a whole boatload of it along with carte blanche to run the organization as he sees fit and Sarver doesn't want to match nor come close to matching that.

 

[Wally]

I'm really getting tired of all the complaints.

As far as BC not being wanted by the Sun's “management” (Barkley etall)..... Who knows that BC was the master of all the recent success of the team? He happens to be the GM in charge in this successful run, but hasn't Sarver been the owner during the same time? Who knows for sure that BC had all the good ideas? Could some of the decisions be from someone other than BC? I can't say I care too much for Steve Kerr, but if he end's up being the Suns' next GM, I'm willing to give him the chance - who knows, maybe some of the good moves were done as a result of Kerr planting the bug in Sarver's ear.

The complaints still going on about "management" not keeping Joe Johnson are a joke. Not keeping JJ was the best business decision that could have been made considering all the facts and especially the outcome (isn’t hind-sight great?). Not keeping JJ was not a hard decision. First, he said he didn't want to stay here (which doesen't make him a bad guy) and second, assuming you want a profitable business, who would you want to give up (Marion, Nash, Amare)? I wonder where ALL the input came from that ended up it being a "brilliant" move (insisting on Diaw, picking up Bell & Jones)? I'll be willing to bet it wasn't all BC's doing.

Shawn Marion is complaining about "trade rumors" and how "management" didn't come to him to tell him they weren't true. Hell, he should be happy he's that good to be the player considered in trade rumors for other "elite" players. If he was an average player, his name wouldn't be the one that came up.

This is not kindergarten, it’s the NBA,. Business is business. Humans are a funny bunch of creatures. Some would not be happy if they didn't complain, some are not objective enough to consider all circumstances..... and here I am, complaining about the complainers. Oh well... I'm only human.

BC is probably going to go. My gusess is a discussion of the existing contract and / or the timing of departure is going on. Assuming he leaves, who ends up with the job? I'm not thrilled with either Kerr or Chapman. I know, Barkley! Maybe thatwould shut him up.

 

[elindholm]

Assuming he leaves, who ends up with the job?

If the Suns can wait until the summer, Isiah Thomas will probably be available.

 

[reader]

Assuming he leaves, who ends up with the job?

If the Suns can wait until the summer, Isiah Thomas will probably be available.

Once again, you have caused me to laugh out loud.

I wonder what date the odds makers have set for the over/under.

 

[CardsFan222]

Lets not give BC too much credit here: Amare wanted KT, Nash wanted Bell, How about D Antoni and the coaches? Who were their choices? Many of our players are having career years, so they were underrated, or maybe they just developed into better players(credit coaches). Just because BC was in charge, doesnt mean all personnel decisions were his idea. Everyone knows that managers manage, but they dont do the x's and o's as much as your coaches and talent evaluators. Granted, BC was part of the process, but he was not THE process. I would pay D'Antoni more than BC based on impact.

great post. Mike should be given the most credit for this team. Its his system and he knows what kind of players he needs to have to run this system. Do you think BC just picks up a player before he asks Coach? I dont think so. I hate to say this because i have held BC and his dad in high regard for a long time. But i dont think, with this system, and the PG we have, It takes a great Basketball mind to figure out what kind of player Coach needs to make it work.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Sarver might be cleaning house, but going to Toronto is potentially a great career move.

If BC learned anything from his father, he should have learned that the greatest opportunities come when things are bleakest.

The Suns were in the middle of a drug scandal, the ownership wanted out, and there was talk of moving the team to another town. JC took the opportunity when the teams value was low, put an ownership group together and looked like a savior in the process. That one timely decision was the most important in his career. He went from employee to owner.

I've got to believe that if Toronto is talking to Bryan, they are offering a significant ownership stake in the team. The team is in disarray but has some young talent to build around. Bryan is reigning exec of the year and has the possibility of riding into town looking like a savior--and BC ends up being the face of the team--something that will never happen again in Phoenix with the big foam finger sitting courtside every game.

 

[elindholm]

I wonder what date the odds makers have set for the over/under.

Heh, wouldn't it be fun to bet on that? What a riot!

 

[Folster]

I think Steve Kerr will make a great GM.

Just look at how great all of the other former player GMs are doing.

Isiah Thomas, Kevin McHale, Danny Ainge, Chris Mullin, Danny Ferry.......

Oh crap.

Joe Dumars and Jerry West are the lone standouts with Kiki, Bird, and Paxon treading water. Elgin appears to have finally got the hang of it after nearly two decades.

 

[elindholm]

Joe Dumars and Jerry West are the lone standouts with Kiki, Bird, and Paxon treading water.

I'd have to say that West's record hasn't been all that convincing either.

 

[George O'Brien]

If BC thinks he'll be more comfortable in Toronto, I can't blame him for taking the money and running. But if Sarver is pushing him out to put in Kerr, I'd say that is a horrible blunder on Sarver's part.

Kerr has not been a GM or even a personnel manager of a team. For a variety of reasons, it seems that being a former player is a ncessary part of being a good coach, but it does not seem to be good preparation for being a GM.

Right now, the only recent generation former players who are particularly successful as GM's are Joe Dumars and Larry Bird (even though they too have made blunders, just not as many).

I think the biggest problem with having recent players as GM's is that they continue to crave the limelight. To me, a good GM is someone who avoids the limelight and does not let ego get in the way of doing the job.

I don't know if that would be an issue with Kerr, but the track record of recent players as GM's is not impressive.