Barnes recharged with Suns

[Mulli]

i think a Diaw for Hinrich deal will happen

Isn't Hinrich contract worse than Diaw's?

 

[Irish]

Isn't Hinrich contract worse than Diaw's?

Boris does not meet an obvious need for the Bulls. Everyone says the Bulls need a big, low post offensive threat. Boris is aN SF/PF combo.

 

[Irish]

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/121519

Brownie Points: Barnes gives Suns flexibility, even at point

Jerry Brown, Tribune
Matt Barnes will fill a lot of holes for the Suns next year. Might he help fill the backup point guard spot as well?

The Suns aren’t going to get a good enough point guard in free agency. Even if Goran Dragic comes this fall, he won’t be ready for the workload Phoenix envisions for Steve Nash’s backup.

But Barnes’ ability to play power forward and even shooting guard in addition to small forward makes the Suns more flexible and might give them some interesting options.

Are both Boris Diaw and Leandro Barbosa now necessary on the roster? Would the Bulls, who are still sparring with Luol Deng on a contract and looking to move Kirk Hinrich’s contract, entertain the idea of swapping Hinrich for Diaw (they have almost identical contracts) and then go after some center depth with their last roster spot?

There is no indication that the Suns and Bulls have talked. But Hinrich is a name that has intrigued the Suns in the past, and they will have to get creative in picking up a point guard. Barnes’ pleasantly unexpected arrival gives them more chips to play.

 

[mojorizen7]

I for one would be encouraged if the SUNS could bring in Hinrich. He's a career 37.7% shooter from 3 pt range. He's still young and could respond to coaching.

 

[Irish]

I'd be curious as to what happened to Kirt and the Bulls in general. 2007-08 Kirt had a very good year and I'm not awre of any great family tragedy for him to cause a decline.

2006-07 16.6 ppg 44.8% and 41.5% for three, 6.3 assists
2007-08 11.5 ppg 41.4% and 35.0% for three, 6.0 assists

 

[msdundee]

i think a Diaw for Hinrich deal will happen

Psychic?

 

[msdundee]

I'd be curious as to what happened to Kirt and the Bulls in general. 2007-08 Kirt had a very good year and I'm not awre of any great family tragedy for him to cause a decline.

2006-07 16.6 ppg 44.8% and 41.5% for three, 6.3 assists
2007-08 11.5 ppg 41.4% and 35.0% for three, 6.0 assists

He did get married in July 2007 but that's not exactly in the "tragedy" category. Stats say he didn't shoot as much last year either. Maybe just tired.

 

[Irish]

I remain skeptical that the Bulls make this deal. I'm very impressed with Rose, but it is a lot to expect a rookie to start from the git to.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I remain skeptical that the Bulls make this deal. I'm very impressed with Rose, but it is a lot to expect a rookie to start from the git to.

#1 overall picks should be starters--right away, imo. Otherwise, you have picked a project at that position which would be foolish. Every scouting report that existed on Rose said he is ready for prime time now.

 

[pokerface]

I'm just going to wait for Barnes to have his first off-shooting night then I'm gonna go "Platoon" on his arse....


BARNES! BARNES!

You're not a firing squad you sonofa*****!!

 

[okhoops]

Heinrich Rumor

First, I really like Heinrich. He had a poor year for reasons unknown, but he competes at both ends and distributes the ball well. If he could be convinced to play off the bench (backing up both Nash and whoever starts at the two), I think he would be a terrific fit. My only worry giving up a big for a small. Unless there's a secondary move to bolster the front court, I'm not sure that the Suns can afford to make that type of trade. There is already a distinct lack of depth at the 4/5 spots. Interestingly, Sean Williams is said to be available and might add some nice depth.

 

[elindholm]

He did get married in July 2007 but that's not exactly in the "tragedy" category.

You're obviously still single.

 

[Irish]

#1 overall picks should be starters--right away, imo. Otherwise, you have picked a project at that position which would be foolish. Every scouting report that existed on Rose said he is ready for prime time now.

I wonder. The last time a PG was taken #1 was 1996 when Iverson was drafted. Of the guys who drafted in the top three, most played a lot but only Baron Davis in 1999 on the Horets would be on a winning team. Not surprisingly, he did not play that much (18.5 minutes per game).


2002 #2 Jay Williams at #2 He averaged 26.1 minutes in 75 games and started 54. 9.5 ppg 4.7 apg Team 30-52

1999 #2 Steve Francis 18.0 ppg 6.9 apg Team 34-48
#3 Baron Davis 5.9 ppg & 3.8 apg Team 49-33

1998 #2 Mike Bibby 13.3 ppg 6.5 Team 8 -42

1997 #3 Chauncy Billips 11.3 ppg 3.3 apg Team 36-46

1996 #1 Allen Iverson 23.5 ppg 7.5 apg Team 22-60

1994 #2 Jason Kidd 11.7 ppg 7.7 apg Team 36-46

1991 #2 Kenny Anderson 7.0 ppg 3.2 ppg Team Tem 40-42 16.9 minutes

1990 #3 Gay Payton 7.2 ppg, 6.4 ppg Tem 41-41

I will admit that most of them did reasonably well their rookie years, but mostly because their teams were bad and thus allowed to play. The better teams did not give these guys the minutes.

 

[mojorizen7]

You're obviously still single.

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[mojorizen7]

In the modern era of zillion dollar contracts top picks are expected to start,compete,and impact their team right away.

 

[msdundee]

You're obviously still single.

Not still single .. single again. But I definitely get your point.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Hmmm. I called for Matt Barnes last offseason. I'm VERY glad we got him. As many of you know, I had been for losing Marion for a LONG time and I proposed Barnes as a way to replace Marion. Well, now we'll see how my plan ultimately works out....

 

[Irish]

Hmmm. I called for Matt Barnes last offseason. I'm VERY glad we got him. As many of you know, I had been for losing Marion for a LONG time and I proposed Barnes as a way to replace Marion. Well, now we'll see how my plan ultimately works out....

If D'Antoni was coach, I think Barnes might see a lot of action at PF. I'm not quite convinced we'll see that kind of lineup all that often under Porter, but you never know. If his three point shooting returns, he might see some minutes when the Suns need to get as many shooters on the floor as they can.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

If D'Antoni was coach, I think Barnes might see a lot of action at PF. I'm not quite convinced we'll see that kind of lineup all that often under Porter, but you never know. If his three point shooting returns, he might see some minutes when the Suns need to get as many shooters on the floor as they can.

You're reading me wrong. I don't care where Marion is put in position on the floor, he's a SF, period. That is the role I envisioned Barnes coming in as and that's exactly what he'll be....

Personally, I run Nash-Bell-Barnes-Stoudemire-O'Neal as the starting lineup with Hill as the new 6th man followed by Barbosa, Diaw, Lopez, Strawberry, Tucker and whatever else....

 

[okhoops]

You're reading me wrong. I don't care where Marion is put in position on the floor, he's a SF, period. That is the role I envisioned Barnes coming in as and that's exactly what he'll be....

Personally, I run Nash-Bell-Barnes-Stoudemire-O'Neal as the starting lineup with Hill as the new 6th man followed by Barbosa, Diaw, Lopez, Strawberry, Tucker and whatever else....

Where's the beef? Of those listed only Amare, Shaq, Lopez and Diaw are legit 4/5 guys. That's a lot of pressure on a rook to be a night-in-night out force. I need one more legit (top 10 guy) big to feel very comfy in my lazyboy.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Where's the beef? Of those listed only Amare, Shaq, Lopez and Diaw are legit 4/5 guys. That's a lot of pressure on a rook to be a night-in-night out force. I need one more legit (top 10 guy) big to feel very comfy in my lazyboy.

Well, I can certainly agree with yo on that, but I am just talking about the roster we have right now. I would love to see Skinner again, especially with a coach who would know how to use him. IMO, we have Bell, Barbosa and Diaw to somehownet us a back-up PG (Hinrich?), a starting 2 (Artest?) and a back-up 4 (your guess is as good as mine). Saying that, I KNOW that those 3 guys are not going to net us all three of our needs, but those are the pieces we have and the needs we have....

 

[mojorizen7]

You're reading me wrong. I don't care where Marion is put in position on the floor, he's a SF, period. That is the role I envisioned Barnes coming in as and that's exactly what he'll be....

Personally, I run Nash-Bell-Barnes-Stoudemire-O'Neal as the starting lineup with Hill as the new 6th man followed by Barbosa, Diaw, Lopez, Strawberry, Tucker and whatever else....

I agree however i would like to start Barbs over Bell if possible. Nash can get Barbs some quality looks from the 3 pt line in addition to not asking Barbs to create or run anything. Barnes can guard anyone that Bell's been asked to guard in the past. This way you've got Hill,Bell,Diaw & Lopez off the bench which is a force to be reckoned with. Hill can score as well as run some offense thru Diaw in the post who can find Bell who's a threat from deep. I hope this is the lineup we see in November.

 

[leclerc]

Is Barnes really a top notch defender? I've not seen him play, but is he up there with Bell and Marion?

 

[Irish]

Is Barnes really a top notch defender? I've not seen him play, but is he up there with Bell and Marion?

I doubt it. Both Bell and Marion got national recogition for their defense and while possibly overrated are very good. My guess is that Barnes will be better than Hill and Diaw at SF because he's very athletic. I have no doubt he's better than Barbosa because Leandro gambles too much and is not very strong.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Hill is underrated as a defender.