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Yes, I fell in love with WR Tavon Austin---was agog to see him still on the board at #7 because I expected the 49ers to trade a king's ransom to the Raiders to move up to #3. If that didn't happen, I expected Chip Kelly to take Austin at #4 and I wasn't ruling out the Browns taking him at #6.

The draft was rolling along like a dream come true---and then BASK FORCE 1 took full control of the situation and selected G Jonathan Cooper, 6-2, 311 from North Carolina.

I, like many of you, has spent a good deal of time going back and forth watching Chance Warmack and Jonathan Cooper and to me Warmack was the more physically dominant player.

I, like many of you, heard Mike Jurecki claim for over a week that the Cardinals had Cooper very high on the board and well in their sights.

Then Jurecki relayed some very interesting inside information---there were some concerns about Warmack having a shoulder issue. Funny, because I went back to the tape and what I saw was it looked to me like Warmack was favoring what appears to be his right shoulder, which could have well accounted for the lack of technique I had been seeing on the tapes.

Seconds after the Cardinals tabbed Cooper---came word that the Rams were jumping up to #8 to take Tavon Austin. Yikes. Even worse, Austin was wearing a Cardinal red suit and red tie---and worse than that came the reality that he will be playing in the NFC West.

Austin looked a little stunned and he didn't seem all that happy. He had been saying to Mike Florio in an interview earlier that afternoon that he wanted to go to a team with already established WRs, so that he could compliment them and not have to be the primary focal-point of the offense.

While what Austin was saying makes perfect sense---and while it made me feel that the scenario Austin was describing would make him feel delighted to be a Cardinal---it struck me as odd that Austin was hoping for a secondary role in his new offense---it seemed to contradict what I had been feeling about Austin all along, that, while he is clearly a team-first player, he's as hungry as Larry Fitzgerald in wanting the ball in his hands as often as possible---which is why I had already dubbed him "L'l Larry."

Then---I listened to Steve Keim talk about G Jonathan Cooper. And I have to say I already feel such an affinity for Steve Keim---I just love the way he handles himself---love his enthusiasm---love his passion for scouting and player personnel---and what SK said about Cooper was intoxicating:

How he had gone to Chapel Hill last year to watch Cooper---how in his estimation Cooper would have been the top rated guard in the 2012 draft had he elected to enter the draft---how SK was so impressed with Cooper's extraordinary physical abilities (the blend of quickness and power) and his off-the-charts FBI (football intelligence)---

When asked my Jurecki whether Cooper reminded him a little of Alan Faneca and what he was able to do for the Steelers in his heydays---SK said it was a very good analogy, but took it a step further and many steps closer to home when he said: "In many ways he reminds me of Randall McDaniel."

You know what? This just shows not only Keim's perspicacity, but it shows how high the BASK Force is willing to set the bars---not just for the players, but for themselves as talent evaluators.

I cannot even begin to explain how excited I felt after hearing Keim's thoughts---just knowing how closely Keim himself followed Cooper for the last two years. It wasn't as if Keim had been admiring Cooper from a afar---or as if he, like many others, were wowed with the stellar performance Cooper turned in at the Combine where he benched 225 35 times, ran a 5 flat (and looked faster than that even) and ran the agility drills with tremendous fluidity and quickness.

Keim was way ahead of the curve already on this player.

And getting back to Austin for a second, the way that I had figured the Cardinals could afford to take Austin at #7 was counting on a very good guard being available to the Cardinals at #38 or at #69.

But---look how the first round unfolded after the Cardinals selected Jonathan Cooper---4 other potential guards were selected, 3 of them beyond Chance Warmack in rather surprising fashion:

Chance Warmack (#10---Titans)
Justin Pugh (#19---Giants)
Kyle Long (#20---Bears)
Travis Frederick (#31---Cowboys)

The repercussion of the Cooper pick was felt most dramatically by the Dallas Cowboys whose offensive line plans were deflated when their number one target, Cooper, was taken.

Reeling from that disappointment, they elected to trade down, likely feeling they would be able to take Pugh or Long---and wound up reaching for Travis Frederick at #31. Frederick has some limitations as a guard prospect and he might wind up staying at center. But, clearly the Cowboys wanted to draft a top level guard and wound up miscalculating how the draft would unfold.

The rookie GM who did not miscalculate how the first round was going to unfold was our Steve Keim. And that says something, doesn't it?---especially for his first draft as GM.

What is so exciting to me is I feel like I am learning something every day from the BASK Force.

Yesterday, I learned in hearing from Darnell Dockett that he wishes he could have been playing for these new coaches all along. Sure, Dockett will now be allowed to be Dockett in the new defense---but as a philosophy I have to agree with Todd Bowles---you want your defensive line to attack, not play one step, occupy and react.

When the Cardinals drafted Jonathan Cooper yesterday I learned that the top priority of the BASK force is to get much stronger in the trenches---something they've been saying, but now are putting to practice.

I guess most happily of all, I am learning, and I sense that you are too, that maybe, just maybe, we don't have to be haunted anymore by the Ghost of Cardinal Drafts Past.

This morning, like Ebenezer Scrooge, I feel as "giddy as a schoolboy."

The BASK Force has been taking me to school---and this kind of learning---is the happiest learning of all.

I cannot WAIT for tonight!

Today's lesson beings at 3:30 Arizona Time.

There's so much more to learn every day.

GO CARDINALS---GO BASK FORCE!

Take a look:

http://www.azcardinals.com/videos-p...per-pick/88195324-9836-4a62-864d-735818ff7684
 
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Our second and third round picks will be huge. On offense I like Zach Ertz, Eddie Lacy and Menelik Watson. On defense I love that Alex Okafor, Margus Hunt and Tank Carridine are still there along with Manti Teo.
 

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Good stuff Mitch!

I don't think your beverage of choice has to be Kool-aid to be enthusiastic about this new regime. When I see what some of the dysfunctional NFL franchises [Miami, NY Jets, Detroit] are doing, I am even more enthusiastic about the direction the Cardinals are taking.

I didn't like the Michael Floyd pick last year. I LOVE the Jonathan Cooper pick this year.

We have the right team in place to start getting serious about competing in the NFC West IMO. Let the pundits keep singing the praises of St. Louis, San Francisco and Seattle. It may take a couple of years, but I really believe Steve Keim, Bruce Arians and Michael Bidwill have the Cardinals headed in the right direction.
 

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Nice post Mitch and kudos to you for talking about Austin before it became the thing to do.
 

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Hey Mitch is there a link on DDs comments? Would like to read/hear that...
 

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Cooper had surgery on his shoulder in college to clean up "chronic inflammation."
 

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Mitch, in another thread, I asked whether the Cards were now a zone blocking team, and the answer was that they were. So that is why I guessed Cooper (as opposed to Warmack) in the draft contest, as all indications were that the three LT's would be gone. So while I was hoping for a LT, I am happy that we addressed the OL.

Now, in the second round we pick sixth. And ALL the experts have Jax taking a QB (I guess Smith) and that leaves only four picks before we pick. And we should be able to get a starter. If Ertz gets past SF, and since Jim Harbaugh was his college coach for a couple of years, that is a BIG IF, I'm hoping we pick him. But a safety (Cyprien), running back(Lacy, Franklin), pass rusher (Damonte Moore, Tank Carradine, Alex Okafor or Jamie Collins) or BPA (Te'o, a large Mormon population in the Valley will add to the Cardinal fan base, Arthur Brown, Margus Hunt or Darius Slay) will make me very happy. On the negative side, I don't want a Friday QB or OL (Because I don't think there is a starter left).

Friday-------bring it on.
 
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Yesterday, I learned in hearing from Darnell Dockett that he wishes he could have been playing for these new coaches all along. Sure, Dockett will now be allowed to be Dockett in the new defense---but as a philosophy I have to agree with Todd Bowles---you want your defensive line to attack, not play one step, occupy and react.

When the Cardinals drafted Jonathan Cooper yesterday I learned that the top priority of the BASK force is to get much stronger in the trenches---something they've been saying, but now are putting to practice.

Yeah, I'm stoked about Cooper being a Cardinal. Especially since there was such a run on OL already.

Question: In referencing the above, how do you feel about them adding another DL presence now? BA has talked about it throughout the draft process. I see two pretty good DT's ones on the board right now. Alabama's Jesse Williams and Purdue's Kawann Short.

Do you like them better than say Demontre Moore and Sam Montgomery as OLB's or Margus Hunt as an extra DE and move DD into the inside on obvious passing downs?

I think they've been having some concerns about Dan Williams on the inside, is mainly why I'm asking.
 
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Mitch, in another thread, I asked whether the Cards were now a zone blocking team, and the answer was that they were. So that is why I guessed Cooper (as opposed to Warmack) in the draft contest, as all indications were that the three LT's would be gone. So while I was hoping for a LT, I am happy that we addressed the OL.

Now, in the second round we pick sixth. And ALL the experts have Jax taking a QB (I guess Smith) and that leaves only four picks before we pick. And we should be able to get a starter. If Ertz gets past SF, and since Jim Harbaugh was his college coach for a couple of years, that is a BIG IF, I'm hoping we pick him. But a safety (Cyprien), pass rusher (Damonte Moore, Tank Carradine, Alex Okafor or Jamie Collins) or BPA (Te'o, a large Mormon population in the Valley will add to the Cardinal fan base, Arthur Brown, Margus Hunt or Darius Slay) will make me very happy. On the negative side, I don't want a Friday QB or OL (Because I don't think there is a starter left).

Friday-------bring it on.

Yes, Garth, very good call. Props to Chopper too because he was on to Cooper for several weeks now.

I wish I were higher on the pass rushers---of the 4 you list I think Collins might be the best fit. When I watched him on tape, I thought he was excellent one snap and dogging it the next. The ability is there---is the mindset?
 
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Yeah, I'm stoked about Cooper being a Cardinal. Especially since there was such a run on OL already.

Question: In referencing the above, how do you feel about them adding another DL presence now? BA has talked about it throughout the draft process. I see two pretty good DT's ones on the board right now. Alabama's Jesse Williams and Purdue's Kawann Short.

Do you like them better than say Demontre Moore and Sam Montgomery as OLB's or Margus Hunt as an extra DE and move DD into the inside on obvious passing downs?

I think they've been having some concerns about Dan Williams on the inside, is mainly why I'm asking.

That's a great question---there's no doubt that BA wants to beef up the interior of the lines, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if they went for Jenkins, Williams, Short or Hunt.

Moore and Montgomery---not getting the feeling that they would be rated high enough on the Cardinals' board at #38.
 

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That's a great question---there's no doubt that BA wants to beef up the interior of the lines, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if they went for Jenkins, Williams, Short or Hunt.

Moore and Montgomery---not getting the feeling that they would be rated high enough on the Cardinals' board at #38.

The other one I just thought about is Carradine. What you think?
 

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A couple thoughts to go with this thread

1-Nice to see Keim understanding that this wasn't the draft to try and hit a home run at #7, especially w/ Jordan and Mingo off the board. He had a need at an unsexy position, filled that need with a top rated overall player, and settled for the double that Cooper is.

2-Nice to see Keim trusting his evaluation and taking Cooper over Warmack, going against popular opinion and not caving to that by taking Warmack. Now, we will see whether or not that evaluation is accurate, but for now, nice to see him trusting his scouts.

3-Nice to see Keim not caving to convention. No OG has been selected higher than 10 in recent draft history. Keim stuck with his board and took the player he thought was the highest rated left on his board despite the opinion that it was too high for an OG. Once again, time will tell if it was the right call, but right now, it was nice to see.

Final note, I am totally fine with the Rams taking Tavon Austin. I am not worried in the least about what he does for their offense, and I have a tough time seeing how he will hold up over a full season.
 

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Yes, I fell in love with WR Tavon Austin---was agog to see him still on the board at #7 because I expected the 49ers to trade a king's ransom to the Raiders to move up to #3. If that didn't happen, I expected Chip Kelly to take Austin at #4 and I wasn't ruling out the Browns taking him at #6.

The draft was rolling along like a dream come true---and then BASK FORCE 1 took full control of the situation and selected G Jonathan Cooper, 6-2, 311 from North Carolina.

I, like many of you, has spent a good deal of time going back and forth watching Chance Warmack and Jonathan Cooper and to me Warmack was the more physically dominant player.

I, like many of you, heard Mike Jurecki claim for over a week that the Cardinals had Cooper very high on the board and well in their sights.

Then Jurecki relayed some very interesting inside information---there were some concerns about Warmack having a shoulder issue. Funny, because I went back to the tape and what I saw was it looked to me like Warmack was favoring what appears to be his right shoulder, which could have well accounted for the lack of technique I had been seeing on the tapes.

Seconds after the Cardinals tabbed Cooper---came word that the Rams were jumping up to #8 to take Tavon Austin. Yikes. Even worse, Austin was wearing a Cardinal red suit and red tie---and worse than that came the reality that he will be playing in the NFC West.

Austin looked a little stunned and he didn't seem all that happy. He had been saying to Mike Florio in an interview earlier that afternoon that he wanted to go to a team with already established WRs, so that he could compliment them and not have to be the primary focal-point of the offense.

While what Austin was saying makes perfect sense---and while it made me feel that the scenario Austin was describing would make him feel delighted to be a Cardinal---it struck me as odd that Austin was hoping for a secondary role in his new offense---it seemed to contradict what I had been feeling about Austin all along, that, while he is clearly a team-first player, he's as hungry as Larry Fitzgerald in wanting the ball in his hands as often as possible---which is why I had already dubbed him "L'l Larry."

Then---I listened to Steve Keim talk about G Jonathan Cooper. And I have to say I already feel such an affinity for Steve Keim---I just love the way he handles himself---love his enthusiasm---love his passion for scouting and player personnel---and what SK said about Cooper was intoxicating:

How he had gone to Chapel Hill last year to watch Cooper---how in his estimation Cooper would have been the top rated guard in the 2012 draft had he elected to enter the draft---how SK was so impressed with Cooper's extraordinary physical abilities (the blend of quickness and power) and his off-the-charts FBI (football intelligence)---

When asked my Jurecki whether Cooper reminded him a little of Alan Faneca and what he was able to do for the Steelers in his heydays---SK said it was a very good analogy, but took it a step further and many steps closer to home when he said: "In many ways he reminds me of Randall McDaniel."

You know what? This just shows not only Keim's perspicacity, but it shows how high the BASK Force is willing to set the bars---not just for the players, but for themselves as talent evaluators.

I cannot even begin to explain how excited I felt after hearing Keim's thoughts---just knowing how closely Keim himself followed Cooper for the last two years. It wasn't as if Keim had been admiring Cooper from a afar---or as if he, like many others, were wowed with the stellar performance Cooper turned in at the Combine where he benched 225 35 times, ran a 5 flat (and looked faster than that even) and ran the agility drills with tremendous fluidity and quickness.

Keim was way ahead of the curve already on this player.

And getting back to Austin for a second, the way that I had figured the Cardinals could afford to take Austin at #7 was counting on a very good guard being available to the Cardinals at #38 or at #69.

But---look how the first round unfolded after the Cardinals selected Jonathan Cooper---4 other potential guards were selected, 3 of them beyond Chance Warmack in rather surprising fashion:

Chance Warmack (#10---Titans)
Justin Pugh (#19---Giants)
Kyle Long (#20---Bears)
Travis Frederick (#31---Cowboys)

The repercussion of the Cooper pick was felt most dramatically by the Dallas Cowboys whose offensive line plans were deflated when their number one target, Cooper, was taken.

Reeling from that disappointment, they elected to trade down, likely feeling they would be able to take Pugh or Long---and wound up reaching for Travis Frederick at #31. Frederick has some limitations as a guard prospect and he might wind up staying at center. But, clearly the Cowboys wanted to draft a top level guard and wound up miscalculating how the draft would unfold.

The rookie GM who did not miscalculate how the first round was going to unfold was our Steve Keim. And that says something, doesn't it?---especially for his first draft as GM.

What is so exciting to me is I feel like I am learning something every day from the BASK Force.

Yesterday, I learned in hearing from Darnell Dockett that he wishes he could have been playing for these new coaches all along. Sure, Dockett will now be allowed to be Dockett in the new defense---but as a philosophy I have to agree with Todd Bowles---you want your defensive line to attack, not play one step, occupy and react.

When the Cardinals drafted Jonathan Cooper yesterday I learned that the top priority of the BASK force is to get much stronger in the trenches---something they've been saying, but now are putting to practice.

I guess most happily of all, I am learning, and I sense that you are too, that maybe, just maybe, we don't have to be haunted anymore by the Ghost of Cardinal Drafts Past.

This morning, like Ebenezer Scrooge, I feel as "giddy as a schoolboy."

The BASK Force has been taking me to school---and this kind of learning---is the happiest learning of all.

I cannot WAIT for tonight!

Today's lesson beings at 3:30 Arizona Time.

There's so much more to learn every day.

GO CARDINALS---GO BASK FORCE!

Take a look:

http://www.azcardinals.com/videos-p...per-pick/88195324-9836-4a62-864d-735818ff7684

Mitch perhaps one of the most important things I take from you post is that Keim is the GM. A real GM with GM powers. No more Graves who no one ever really figured out just where his authority started and ended. Had we got rid of Graves much earlier we perhaps would not be where we are now.
 

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The other one I just thought about is Carradine. What you think?

You didn't ask me, but I love the idea of bringing in Carradine. Big, physical edge rusher ala Aldon Smith who can move down to DE in nickel packages whether it be a 3 or 4 man front.
 

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2-Nice to see Keim trusting his evaluation and taking Cooper over Warmack, going against popular opinion and not caving to that by taking Warmack. Now, we will see whether or not that evaluation is accurate, but for now, nice to see him trusting his scouts.

Another thing to consider about Warmack, that although he wouldn't have shown it, he would have been disapointed in coming here. He really wanted to stay close to Tuscaloosa and play for Munchak. He got his wish.
 

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Cooper had surgery on his shoulder in college to clean up "chronic inflammation."

Bah

What does he need his shoulder for, this guy cut blocks, cut blocks, cut blocks. :D

Which is no bad thing.

But in all seriousness, I love the pick. Kid is going to start at OG and instantly makes our line better, running game better, and QB better. Good pick, IMO
 

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Who do you like better overall. Him or Hunt?

What was his injury again?

I like Carradine more, because he is more of an edge rush threat. Margus Hunt is very athletic, but also very raw. Similar to Ansah in that regard. Carradine is coming off an ACL, but has worked out for teams in the past two weeks and the reports are that he was very impressive.

If our draft ends up being
1-Jonathan Cooper - OG
2-Cornellius Carradine - OLB/DE
3-Tyrann Mathieu - CB

Three productive college players, two of which were top playmakers when they were in the game.
 

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You didn't ask me, but I love the idea of bringing in Carradine. Big, physical edge rusher ala Aldon Smith who can move down to DE in nickel packages whether it be a 3 or 4 man front.

If he checks out medically, he may be our guy. Tough choice between an edge rusher and Jonathan Cyprien. Wonder what the chances of trading back are?
 
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The other one I just thought about is Carradine. What you think?

I like Carradine a lot. He's made swift progress 140 days from his ACL injury, so much so that he ran a good 40 last week, I think it was a 4.8 at 6-4 1/2, 265.

The Cardinals, however, were not one of the numerous teams at his workout. Which may say something and may not.

Of all the remaining rushers on the board he's my favorite. He and John Simon. Carradine has the quickness and power, Simon is a tenacious bull who is sneaky quick to the ball once he disengages the tackle.
 
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If he checks out medically, he may be our guy. Tough choice between him an edge rusher and Jonathan Cyprien. Wonder what the chances of trading back are?

There are some good players left.we own the 6 pick..offert will come for sure..moving down and get an extra 3th pick.my hope is cyprien,scwhenke, lemoniere
 

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I like Carradine a lot. He's made swift progress 140 days from his ACL injury, so much so that he ran a good 40 last week, I think it was a 4.8 at 6-4 1/2, 265.

The Cardinals, however, were not one of the numerous teams at his workout. Which may say something and may not.

Of all the remaining rushers on the board he's my favorite. He and John Simon. Carradine has the quickness and power, Simon is a tenacious bull who is sneaky quick to the ball once he disengages the tackle.

I think 49ers may take Carradine. They can afford to let him totally heal before sticking him in the mix. Harbaugh kinda player.
 
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