Be Careful what you wish for!

[LVCARDFREAK]

And dont say I didnt tell you when it happens.

Everyone on this board is calling for Mac's head! I am not saying you are right or wrong on that (although a mid-season change accomplishes little in my book). What I am getting at here is that if the Bidwill's fire Mac now it will be another in a long line of PR disasters!

Coach Mac is about the only thing this team has going for it in the eyes of the media and most casual fans. Hell on ESPN radio today, they interviewed Chris Mcallister, and after the interview ripped the Bidwills for putting 'an inferior product on the field blah blah" and something to the effect that Coach Mac is a great coach, a great leader etc etc.

My point here people is this: If they fire Mac the national and local press will be on this harping bad! And I do not want to hear bitching from the regualr conspiricy bunch about how the media doesnt know the cardinals, the Bidwills, etc. Be careful what you wish for is all I am saying...

Right or wrong, this will be a PR disaster of the highest degree!

 

[KingofCards]

Like it could get worse.

The motto of this franchise should be:

"Starting over, all over again."

 

[conraddobler]

Who cares our rep cannot get any lower than losing all our games all those folks will come slinking back if we win and will harp while we lose.

They mean less than nothing because the don't really give a crap anyway.

The real sign will be if Mac gets a HC job elsewhere... I bet he dosen't and if he does he wont take this staff with him even though they will be available.

It's just a mind screw that we are going to get whatever we do and the only thing that could be worse is hiring another loser coach and yes that can and very well might happen but even then he can lose games just like Mac so we can't lose too much now can we.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by conraddobler
Who cares our rep cannot get any lower than losing all our games all those folks will come slinking back if we win and will harp while we lose.

They mean less than nothing because the don't really give a crap anyway.

The real sign will be if Mac gets a HC job elsewhere... I bet he dosen't and if he does he wont take this staff with him even though they will be available.

It's just a mind screw that we are going to get whatever we do and the only thing that could be worse is hiring another loser coach and yes that can and very well might happen but even then he can lose games just like Mac so we can't lose too much now can we.

Well I will have to respectfully disagree there. It means a lot!

I thought what most people on this board wnated was a change of attitude. A change of perception? The ability to attract big name free agents? To change the losing mentality???

You dont think those things will be directly effected by a firing of your head coach (whom everyone loves outside AZ)? I think they do. This wqill just be seen as another PR bungle by the "worst franchise in sports!" and it can and will effect the long term sentiments of this team by outsiders...!

 

[conraddobler]

Well I guess we can just agree to disagree.

I think what is put out on the field right now speaks louder in a negative way than whatever some announcer or talking head can say about us.

The two name FA we really needed said no thanks.

Winning is the only thing that will help and I believe Mac is a part of the problem on that front not the solution.

I respect your opinion and I understand what you are saying but IMO it is just an excuse to accept failure.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by conraddobler
Well I guess we can just agree to disagree.

I think what is put out on the field right now speaks louder in a negative way than whatever some announcer or talking head can say about us.

The two name FA we really needed said no thanks.

Winning is the only thing that will help and I believe Mac is a part of the problem on that front not the solution.

I respect your opinion and I understand what you are saying but IMO it is just an excuse to accept failure.

Let me be perfectly clear. I am not judging the decision on whether or not Mac should/shouldnt be fired (Although firing him right now accomplishes nothing-cant look at ANY college coaches until after bowl games and no HC from an NFL team will talk to the Cards or let their OC/DC talk to the cards right now)

My point is that the media/experts will think this( Mac's firing) will just be another in a long line of PR gaffs this Oranization has committed. They love him! Whether they are confusing a 'good guy' for a 'good coach' doesnt really matter.

It isnt what some 'talking head' says about the Cards, it is the "perception" that free agents think is the Cards that bother me. Whether right or wrong, media, coaches, players, and agents all share a part on shaping the perception of a team, and this will jst be another huge Blight on the Cards org.

Do you not think part of the reason the 2 big FA the Cards wanted (Colvin and Holliday I assume your refering to) had anything to do with the perception of this team, its players, its owners etc? I doubt either one of them didint come to AZ because of coach Mac!

For the record, I agree something needs to be done and firing the entire staff (not just Mac) maybe just that. I just dont agree it should come right now ...unless you want to see Hank Kuhlman running this team! (which enivetibly gives him an insider shot as the nexT HC)

 

[Red Air Force]

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
Let me be perfectly clear. I am not judging the decision on whether or not Mac should/shouldnt be fired (Although firing him right now accomplishes nothing-cant look at ANY college coaches until after bowl games and no HC from an NFL team will talk to the Cards or let their OC/DC talk to the cards right now)

My point is that the media/experts will think this( Mac's firing) will just be another in a long line of PR gaffs this Oranization has committed. They love him! Whether they are confusing a 'good guy' for a 'good coach' doesnt really matter.

It isnt what some 'talking head' says about the Cards, it is the "perception" that free agents think is the Cards that bother me. Whether right or wrong, media, coaches, players, and agents all share a part on shaping the perception of a team, and this will jst be another huge Blight on the Cards org.

Do you not think part of the reason the 2 big FA the Cards wanted (Colvin and Holliday I assume your refering to) had anything to do with the perception of this team, its players, its owners etc? I doubt either one of them didint come to AZ because of coach Mac!

For the record, I agree something needs to be done and firing the entire staff (not just Mac) maybe just that. I just dont agree it should come right now ...unless you want to see Hank Kuhlman running this team! (which enivetibly gives him an insider shot as the nexT HC)

Well Kuhlman does have experience as a Cardinals Interim Head Coach('89), so who knows, maybe we'll give him another crack at it.

 

[ajcardfan]

I don't see how sticking with Mac, or firing him, will garner them much PR, good or ill. This team has hit a low in public perception. It's never been worse than it is right now. Hell, the Clippers look well managed by comparison.

The only thing this team has going for it is the new stadium. The Super Bowl will help. They need a new coach who will generate a buzz. Whether they can find one is the question. I doubt it.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Actually,Mac is in a no lose situaton.If he gets fired,he won't get any of the blame.It will be the Cards organization and how nobody can be expected to win with the Bidwill's running the show.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
Well I will have to respectfully disagree there. It means a lot!

I thought what most people on this board wnated was a change of attitude. A change of perception? The ability to attract big name free agents? To change the losing mentality???

You dont think those things will be directly effected by a firing of your head coach (whom everyone loves outside AZ)? I think they do. This wqill just be seen as another PR bungle by the "worst franchise in sports!" and it can and will effect the long term sentiments of this team by outsiders...!

I gotta disagree.

EVeryone loved Steve Lavin too, Vitale couldn't work a UCLA game or even a Pac 10 game without singing his praises, ripping the UCLA fans for their attacks on the coach etc. UCLA FINALLY fires Lavin and they've having a monster recruiting class for next year. Ben Howland is cleaning house, they won't be good this year because of lack of talent and some academic issues left over from Lavin, but watch out in 2 years.

mac is a nice guy who we all wish would succeed but he's failed, his teams consistently get blown out, they come out unprepared and players don't improve.

I think other coaches like him in part because he makes them look good. Mike Montgomery all but said that more than once about lavin, he wanted Lavin at UCLA it helped the rest of the Pac 10, I think coaches know they will have an edge on us with Mac and his staff, he's a nice guy, so it's in your best interests to keep him here.

Well coached teams limit turnovers and penalties, we don't do either. Can't fault Mac always, Fisher for example says they told him all week to watch for Reed to make that exact move, he still missed the block and Reed blocked the punt, but there are too many cases of teams knowing what's coming.

 

[Capital Card]

Originally posted by Russ Smith
there are too many cases of teams knowing what's coming.

This is the third week in a row of quotes like this one:

“At times, they tend to get pretty predictable with their formations and tendencies,” McAlister said.