Behold The Suns

[Mainstreet]

Let's quit with the 'revisionist history' about DA and the great Suns teams of the past few years. They could never beat San Antonio, even though they had more talent. Now finally, the rest of the West have caught up to them, some have even lapped them (see Utah, NO, and especially the Lakers).

You ignore history. See the Suns before DA became HC and then follow the last four full seasons he was HC (which included two WCF's appearances and averaging 57 wins a season). I prefer to look at facts and not some whimsical view from fans who felt DA underachieved.

IMO, DA carried the Suns with his system. It was not the players who carried DA. Now drink the bitter juices you desire.

 

[Covert Rain]

I said the team with Marion and D'antoni.

They were in a transitional phase of trying to fit Shaq in during that time, but they seemed to get their act together towards the end of the season. Even with the first round loss, I'd still rather take my chances with that D'antoni run team than this Porter team.

It's an absolute push for me. D'Antoni didn't care about defense and didn't play enough half court basketball to win a title. Honestly, the one thing Porter has done is improved our half court game. We are light years ahead of where we were last year.

Neither D'Antoni or Porter can get it done IMO so there is no difference if the end game is a title.

You ignore history. See the Suns before DA became HC and then follow the last four full seasons he was HC (which included two WCF's appearances and averaging 57 wins a season). I prefer to look at facts and not some whimsical view from fans who felt DA underachieved.

IMO, DA carried the Suns with his system. It was not the players who carried DA. Now drink the bitter juices you desire.

I still maintain that the years we got to the WCF, if POP or Phil had been coaching this team in those years we could have gotten a title. We had enough talent IMO. The fact that D'Antoni didn't get it done with the talent that he had say alot to me.

New York is a horrible team and D'Antoni's fairy dust doesn't seem to be helping much there. You still have to have talent. So to say that the Suns talent didn't carry D'Antoni systen to some extent is inaccurate. You need both the talent and the system to be succesful.

 

[Griffin]

I still maintain that the years we got to the WCF, if POP or Phil had been coaching this team in those years we could have gotten a title.

Well, let's see. The first time we got there, Joe Johnson had a broken face. The second time, Amare wasn't there. When did Pop ever win a title with one of his key players not available? When did Phil?

New York is a horrible team and D'Antoni's fairy dust doesn't seem to be helping much there.

They are currently on pace to win 10 more games than they did a year ago, despite playing without their top four scorers from last season, the top two having been traded for future cap space. People forgot just how horrible of a team NY had last year.

 

[TucsonDevil]

You ignore history. See the Suns before DA became HC and then follow the last four full seasons he was HC (which included two WCF's appearances and averaging 57 wins a season). I prefer to look at facts and not some whimsical view from fans who felt DA underachieved.

IMO, DA carried the Suns with his system. It was not the players who carried DA. Now drink the bitter juices you desire.

Mainstreet. How closely did you follow the Suns with John McCloud? Or Paul Westphaul? Or how about Cotton? Each of those coaches brought the suns 'on the brink' but couldn't get the deal closed. DA was not my first 'go-around' with the Suns being 'close'. I am convinced that those guys didn't have the talent DA enjoyed, and they were also 'right there'.

What is this 'bitter juice' you reference? Is it the same juice I had to drink when the Suns traded DJ for Rick Robey? That was supposed to be the deal to get us over the hump... Or how about in '95 when Manning blew out his knee during Feb practice when it was clear we were headed towards a showdown with the Magic in the Finals... Is that the juice?

You act like I started following the Suns when I joined this forum...

 

[Mainstreet]

Mainstreet. How closely did you follow the Suns with John McCloud? Or Paul Westphaul? Or how about Cotton? Each of those coaches brought the suns 'on the brink' but couldn't get the deal closed. DA was not my first 'go-around' with the Suns being 'close'. I am convinced that those guys didn't have the talent DA enjoyed, and they were also 'right there'.

What is this 'bitter juice' you reference? Is it the same juice I had to drink when the Suns traded DJ for Rick Robey? That was supposed to be the deal to get us over the hump... Or how about in '95 when Manning blew out his knee during Feb practice when it was clear we were headed towards a showdown with the Magic in the Finals... Is that the juice?

You act like I started following the Suns when I joined this forum...

The bitter juice I refer is the DA haters get to drink from the cup of their desires. They wanted to see DA gone so now he is gone. They can drink the bitter drink this move produced... mediocrity. Some thought DA stood in the way of the Suns getting a Championship. IMO, DA brought the Suns close enough to a Championship that the fans could taste it and wanted more... forgetting that DA got them there in the first place.

I don't think DA lost the Suns last season but I do think Kerr jumped on his back late last season and rode him into the ground making his job coaching the team near impossible. This carried over to the playoffs... Kerr riding shotgun. Anyway the facts are DA was a great coach for the Suns for four years. I did not see any legitimate reason to make a coaching change when he always had the Suns as a legitimate contender. Maybe one could even make the case Westphal was fired too soon as well.

I'll let DA's record stand on fact and not opinion. Let's not forget this is only discussion and nothing personal... at least as far as I am concerned.

 

[mojorizen7]

They were never the best, but we were top 2-3 with a chance to win. That's more than we've had since Kerr raped the team. Miami wasn't the best team in the league in 06 either.

Actually I take it back, the Suns may have been the best team in 06-07, but we'll never know that.

And there's no way you can think we've improved in the slightest over the team that began in 2007. The team with Marion and D'antoni had problems, but they didn't have 30 point deficits by half time. We may or may not have been done then, but we sure are done now.

IMO the '06-'07 team(suspension year) was the best team in the NBA that year.
Just sayin.

 

[nowagimp]

The bitter juice I refer is the DA haters get to drink from the cup of their desires. They wanted to see DA gone so now he is gone. They can drink the bitter drink this move produced... mediocrity. Some thought DA stood in the way of the Suns getting a Championship. IMO, DA brought the Suns close enough to a Championship that the fans could taste it and wanted more... forgetting that DA got them there in the first place.

I don't think DA lost the Suns last season but I do think Kerr jumped on his back late last season and rode him into the ground making his job coaching the team near impossible. This carried over to the playoffs... Kerr riding shotgun. Anyway the facts are DA was a great coach for the Suns for four years. I did not see any legitimate reason to make a coaching change when he always had the Suns as a legitimate contender. Maybe one could even make the case Westphal was fired too soon as well.

I'll let DA's record stand on fact and not opinion. Let's not forget this is only discussion and nothing personal... at least as far as I am concerned.

Yup, all the brilliant strategists at ASFN, "get rid of DA and hire a coach that cares about defense", and the suns can win. Well the defense is actually worse, if that is possible, and the suns cant hold on to the ball. I appreciate real NBA coaching talent more now, good defense with bad defenders is a myth, coaches have to deal with the roster. And the suns roster in the past said run, run, run. The spurs had duncan and the suns had amare. I remember suns fans suggesting that amare was as good as TD, dont hear that much now. This was part of the argument to eval the suns talent comparatively, to point out how talented they were. DA was "a bum because he couldnt get amare to play defense", but when porter has the same problems, its amare whos the bum now. Anything to defend ones own projections that didnt work out.