Best 2017 Draft Fits Days 1,2,3 For AZ

[Mitch]

Here are my favorite players (fit-wise) for the Cardinals in the 2017 Draft. I would love to see the Cardinals draft any of these players.

QB:

Day 1: DeShone Kizer (6-4, 230, Notre Dame)---best combination of physical traits, and playing for the meticulous Brian Kelly was good prep for playing for BA.

Day 2: Davis Webb (6-5, 229, California)---has the length, vision and arm strength, needs to correct bad habit of throwing off back foot.

Day 3: C.J. Beathard (6-2, 209, Iowa)---flourished as a junior leading Iowa to 12 straight wins, but did not have a go-to WR as a senior. Plays tough, smart and within himself.

RB:

Day 1: Christian McCaffrey (6-0, 202, Stanford)---magnetic triple-threat as RB, slot WR and punt returner.

Day 2: Curtis Samuel (5-11, 200, Ohio St.)---explosive RB/slot WR combo.

Day 3: Wayne Gallman (6-0, 215, Clemson)---good size and smooth, downhill running style.

WR:

Day 1: Corey Davis (6-3, 212, Western Michigan)---the David Johnson of WRs.

Day 2: Cooper Kupp (6-1, 198, Eastern Washington)---always open, great hands.

Day 3: Ardarius Stewart (6-0, 204, Alabama)---can win from the slot or wide.

TE:

Day 1: O.J. Howard (6-6, 244, Alabama)---has elite physical abilities.

Day 2: Evan Engram (6-3, 236, Mississippi)---superb receiver, improving as a blocker.

Day 3: Adam Shaheen (6-5, 277, Ashland)---small school stud with tremendous catch radius and hands.

T:

Day 1: Ryan Ramczyk (6-5, 315, Wisconsin)---equally good pass and run blocker.

Day 2: Garrett Bolles (6-5, 296, Utah)---moves well, good mirror technique.

Day 3: Erik Magnuson (6-4, 303, Michigan)---plays with good leverage, plays to the whistle.

G:

Day 1: Forrest Lamp (6-4, 305, Western Kentucky)---tough LT switching to G, compares to Zach Martin.

Day 2: Dan Feeney (6-4, 304, Indiana)---All Big 10 stalwart, plays with power and strong base.

Day 3: Nico Siragusa (6-5, 308, San Diego St.)---tough, nasty, combative.

C:

Day 2: Pat Elflein (6-2, 300, Ohio St.)---has a knack for opening holes up the middle.

Day 3: Jon Toth (6-5, 308, Kentucky)---4 year starter and SEC All-Star.

DT:

Day 1: Solomon Thomas (6-2, 275, Stanford)---best penetrator in draft, can line up anywhere on line.

Day 2: Carlos Watkins (6-3, 305, Clemson)---has strength and short area burst.

Day 3: Jaleel Johnson (6-3, 309, Iowa)---makes big plays at key moments.

DE:

Day 1: Malik McDowell (6-5, 276, Michigan St.)---some liken him physically to Chandler Jones.

Day 2: Chris Wormley (6-4, 303, Michigan)---moves well for a big man, plays hard.

Day 3: Larry Ogunjobi (6-3, 304, Charlotte)---small school dynamo, a la Rodney Gunter.

Edge:

Day 1: Takkarist McKinley (6-2, 258, UCLA)---is going to skyrocket up draft boards with his speed.

Day 2: T.J. Watt (6-4, 243, Wisconsin)---aggressive, physical at storming the edge.
Tarrell Basham (6-4, 262, Ohio)---MAC DPOY, blends power with edge burst.

Day 3: Tyus Bowser (6-3, 244, Houston)---made to order as a 34OLB in the Steeler mode.

ILB:

Day 1: Reuben Foster (6-1, 236, Alabama)---highly instinctive, always around the ball.

Day 2: Raekwon McMillion (6-3, 240, Ohio St.)---stops RBs in their tracks.

Day 3: Anthony Walker (6-1, 235, Northwestern)---fiery, tenacious leader.

OLB:

Day 1: Haason Reddick (6-1, 233, Temple)---TFL machine, plays with speed and finished off tackles.

Day 2: Ryan Anderson (6-2, 258, Alabama)---clutch playmaker.

Day 3: Steven Taylor (6-1, 228, Houston)---rushes the QB like Adrian Wilson.

CB 1:

Day 1: Marshon Lattimore (6-0, 192, Ohio St.)---has superb blend of size, athleticism and technique.

Day 2: Tre'Daviuous White (5-11, 192, LSU)---quick-footed closer with punt return skill.

Day 3: Fabian Moreau (6-0, 205, UCLA)---deep CB class could make him a Day 3 steal.

CB 2:

Day 1: Sidney Jones (6-0, 181, Washington)---best pure cover CB in draft.

Day 2: Cordrea Tankersley (6-0, 200, Clemson)---fast, tough playmaker.

Day 3: Rasul Douglas (6-2, 204, West Virginia)---has a knack for making plays on the football.
Damontae Kazee (5-10, 184, San Diego St.)---small pit bull, relentless effort.

SS:

Day 1: Jamal Adams (6-0, 211, LSU)---hard charging box safety.

Day 2: Obi Melifonwu (6-4, 219, Connecticut)---has Kam Chancellor-like traits.

Day 3: Lorenzo Jerome (5-10, 202, St. Francis)---small school ball magnet.

FS:

Day 1: Malik Hooker (6-2, 205, Ohio St.)---elite speed, range and ball skills.

Day 2: Budda Baker (5-10, 192, Washington)---Ed Reed like, small but highly skilled and tough.

Day 3: John Johnson (6-1, 205, Boston College)---has CB skills and centerfield playmaking ability.

K:

Day 3: Zane Gonzalez (6-1, 201, Arizona St.)---accurate and consistent.

P:

Day 3: Austin Pehkow (6-3, 205, Idaho)---big leg, hang-time.

STs Ace:

Day 1: Jabrill Peppers (6-0, 205, Michigan)---can do it all on STs, return, tackle and block kicks.

Day 2: Adoree' Jackson (5-11, 185, USC)---electrifying return man, slot CB skills.

Day 3: Sam Rogers (5-10, 231, Virginia Tech)---all-out baller on STs. Has running and blocking skills as FB.


Who are your favorites and why?

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

I don't have much to add. I know way more about basketball than football so I only post occasionally and when I do it's on the Suns board.

However, as a long-time reader of this board, I just want to say thanks to Mitch. Your posts are always informative, intriguing, and well-considered. This is a great post, as per usual.

Also, I love the labeling of Corey Davis as the "David Johnson of WRs". I see the same thing; that kid is special.

 

[David Hokanson]

Here are my favorite players (fit-wise) for the Cardinals in the 2017 Draft. I would love to see the Cardinals draft any of these players.

QB:

Day 1: DeShone Kizer (6-4, 230, Notre Dame)---best combination of physical traits, and playing for the meticulous Brian Kelly was good prep for playing for BA.

Day 2: Davis Webb (6-5, 229, California)---has the length, vision and arm strength, needs to correct bad habit of throwing off back foot.

Day 3: C.J. Beathard (6-2, 209, Iowa)---flourished as a junior leading Iowa to 12 straight wins, but did not have a go-to WR as a senior. Plays tough, smart and within himself.

RB:

Day 1: Christian McCaffrey (6-0, 202, Stanford)---magnetic triple-threat as RB, slot WR and punt returner.

Day 2: Curtis Samuel (5-11, 200, Ohio St.)---explosive RB/slot WR combo.

Day 3: Wayne Gallman (6-0, 215, Clemson)---good size and smooth, downhill running style.

WR:

Day 1: Corey Davis (6-3, 212, Western Michigan)---the David Johnson of WRs.

Day 2: Cooper Kupp (6-1, 198, Eastern Washington)---always open, great hands.

Day 3: Ardarius Stewart (6-0, 204, Alabama)---can win from the slot or wide.

TE:

Day 1: O.J. Howard (6-6, 244, Alabama)---has elite physical abilities.

Day 2: Evan Engram (6-3, 236, Mississippi)---superb receiver, improving as a blocker.

Day 3: Adam Shaheen (6-5, 277, Ashland)---small school stud with tremendous catch radius and hands.

T:

Day 1: Ryan Ramczyk (6-5, 315, Wisconsin)---equally good pass and run blocker.

Day 2: Garrett Bolles (6-5, 296, Utah)---moves well, good mirror technique.

Day 3: Erik Magnuson (6-4, 303, Michigan)---plays with good leverage, plays to the whistle.

G:

Day 1: Forrest Lamp (6-4, 305, Western Kentucky)---tough LT switching to G, compares to Zach Martin.

Day 2: Dan Feeney (6-4, 304, Indiana)---All Big 10 stalwart, plays with power and strong base.

Day 3: Nico Siragusa (6-5, 308, San Diego St.)---tough, nasty, combative.

C:

Day 2: Pat Elflein (6-2, 300, Ohio St.)---has a knack for opening holes up the middle.

Day 3: Jon Toth (6-5, 308, Kentucky)---4 year starter and SEC All-Star.

DT:

Day 1: Solomon Thomas (6-2, 275, Stanford)---best penetrator in draft, can line up anywhere on line.

Day 2: Carlos Watkins (6-3, 305, Clemson)---has strength and short area burst.

Day 3: Jaleel Johnson (6-3, 309, Iowa)---makes big plays at key moments.

DE:

Day 1: Malik McDowell (6-5, 276, Michigan St.)---some liken him physically to Chandler Jones.

Day 2: Chris Wormley (6-4, 303, Michigan)---moves well for a big man, plays hard.

Day 3: Larry Ogunjobi (6-3, 304, Charlotte)---small school dynamo, a la Rodney Gunter.

Edge:

Day 1: Takkarist McKinley (6-2, 258, UCLA)---is going to skyrocket up draft boards with his speed.

Day 2: T.J. Watt (6-4, 243, Wisconsin)---aggressive, physical at storming the edge.
Tarrell Basham (6-4, 262, Ohio)---MAC DPOY, blends power with edge burst.

Day 3: Tyus Bowser (6-3, 244, Houston)---made to order as a 34OLB in the Steeler mode.

ILB:

Day 1: Reuben Foster (6-1, 236, Alabama)---highly instinctive, always around the ball.

Day 2: Raekwon McMillion (6-3, 240, Ohio St.)---stops RBs in their tracks.

Day 3: Anthony Walker (6-1, 235, Northwestern)---fiery, tenacious leader.

OLB:

Day 1: Haason Reddick (6-1, 233, Temple)---TFL machine, plays with speed and finished off tackles.

Day 2: Ryan Anderson (6-2, 258, Alabama)---clutch playmaker.

Day 3: Steven Taylor (6-1, 228, Houston)---rushes the QB like Adrian Wilson.

CB 1:

Day 1: Marshon Lattimore (6-0, 192, Ohio St.)---has superb blend of size, athleticism and technique.

Day 2: Tre'Daviuous White (5-11, 192, LSU)---quick-footed closer with punt return skill.

Day 3: Fabian Moreau (6-0, 205, UCLA)---deep CB class could make him a Day 3 steal.

CB 2:

Day 1: Sidney Jones (6-0, 181, Washington)---best pure cover CB in draft.

Day 2: Cordrea Tankersley (6-0, 200, Clemson)---fast, tough playmaker.

Day 3: Rasul Douglas (6-2, 204, West Virginia)---has a knack for making plays on the football.
Damontae Kazee (5-10, 184, San Diego St.)---small pit bull, relentless effort.

SS:

Day 1: Jamal Adams (6-0, 211, LSU)---hard charging box safety.

Day 2: Obi Melifonwu (6-4, 219, Connecticut)---has Kam Chancellor-like traits.

Day 3: Lorenzo Jerome (5-10, 202, St. Francis)---small school ball magnet.

FS:

Day 1: Malik Hooker (6-2, 205, Ohio St.)---elite speed, range and ball skills.

Day 2: Budda Baker (5-10, 192, Washington)---Ed Reed like, small but highly skilled and tough.

Day 3: John Johnson (6-1, 205, Boston College)---has CB skills and centerfield playmaking ability.

K:

Day 3: Zane Gonzalez (6-1, 201, Arizona St.)---accurate and consistent.

P:

Day 3: Austin Pehkow (6-3, 205, Idaho)---big leg, hang-time.

STs Ace:

Day 1: Jabrill Peppers (6-0, 205, Michigan)---can do it all on STs, return, tackle and block kicks.

Day 2: Adoree' Jackson (5-11, 185, USC)---electrifying return man, slot CB skills.

Day 3: Sam Rogers (5-10, 231, Virginia Tech)---all-out baller on STs. Has running and blocking skills as FB.


Who are your favorites and why?

I like Corey Davis. Corey Davis WR Western Michigan...My list for the first round.

 

[Bodha]

Thats a pretty darn good list. I agree with nearly everything.


Except:

Day 1: Christian McCaffrey (6-0, 202, Stanford)


There is a very good chance that Dalvin Cook or Leonard Fournett might be available when we pick. Both are elite RBs who we would race to the podium to draft.....if we didnt have David.

But all the same, If for whatever reason we take a RB in the 1st, Fournett or Cook are both above McCaffrey

 

[Dback Jon]

I would love for the Cards to grab Cooper Kupp in the second round

 

[WisconsinCard]

Could we grab Ramczyk in the first round and let Valdeer walk? Would that save enough capital to keep CC and Jefferson/DJ (whichever one they might release)? That might be a good trade off, a cheaper, younger, and potentially good tackle to keep the defense in tact.

 

[Stout]

Could we grab Ramczyk in the first round and let Valdeer walk? Would that save enough capital to keep CC and Jefferson/DJ (whichever one they might release)? That might be a good trade off, a cheaper, younger, and potentially good tackle to keep the defense in tact.

Eh, but the BEST we'd be hoping for is the status quo, and that's after using our 1st-round pick. It's also a big gamble. I wouldn't be in for that.

 

[Mitch]

Could we grab Ramczyk in the first round and let Valdeer walk? Would that save enough capital to keep CC and Jefferson/DJ (whichever one they might release)? That might be a good trade off, a cheaper, younger, and potentially good tackle to keep the defense in tact.

I may be alone in thinking this, but I really like what T John Wetzel brought to the running game and I thought he held up better than expected in pass pro. I like him at RT. And if the coaches do (which I suspect), I could see the Cardinals trade Jared Veldheer to a LT needy team and get a good player or draft pick in return. This draft has one of the weakest tackle pools in years---and the UFA tackle pool is very thin. The market seems right, if the Cardinals want to make a move. Could help create valuable cap room, as well.

 

[Mitch]

I would love for the Cards to grab Cooper Kupp in the second round

I think Kupp is outstanding. But, if he doesn't run a sub 4.5 at the combine, BA won't draft him in the 2nd round.

 

[Harry]

Could we grab Ramczyk in the first round and let Valdeer walk? Would that save enough capital to keep CC and Jefferson/DJ (whichever one they might release)? That might be a good trade off, a cheaper, younger, and potentially good tackle to keep the defense in tact.

Maybe. If they waited to cut Veldheer after June 1 the savings would be almost $7 million. If they did a back loaded contract assuming this is Fitz's last year they could likely keep Campbell. I'm hearing Jefferson may get as much as $7 million himself. I like him and so do the Cards, but not at that number. The question is does CC want to stay in AZ. The other problem is the Cards have 2 main needs; WR & CB. They can fill one in round 2, but it would be tough to get a starter at either spot in round 3. Of course if they trade down maybe the could get Ramczyk and maybe trade their third for their trade partner's round 2 pick as part of the deal. It's an interesting concept as Veldheer would seem unlikely to want to move to RT.

 

[bg7brd]

I may be alone in thinking this, but I really like what T John Wetzel brought to the running game and I thought he held up better than expected in pass pro. I like him at RT. And if the coaches do (which I suspect), I could see the Cardinals trade Jared Veldheer to a LT needy team and get a good player or draft pick in return. This draft has one of the weakest tackle pools in years---and the UFA tackle pool is very thin. The market seems right, if the Cardinals want to make a move. Could help create valuable cap room, as well.

Evan Mathis was asked on the radio yesterday who he thought would be a good replacement for him. He said he was impressed with Cole Toner.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Evan Mathis was asked on the radio yesterday who he thought would be a good replacement for him. He said he was impressed with Cole Toner.

Good to hear that. Haven't heard much about him either way.

 

[wit3card]

Veldeheers value is a #1 round pick at least good LT are valued like that, so which team would give up their #1 for Veldeheer.

If a team calls and you like Toner at RT and Veldeheer doesn't want to play RT or you need the capspace, trade for a #1 and hope you get something from that pick.

But Veldeheer is a really good player and a good LT so, I don't know if Humphries really can beat him.

 

[Buckybird]

I may be alone in thinking this, but I really like what T John Wetzel brought to the running game and I thought he held up better than expected in pass pro. I like him at RT. And if the coaches do (which I suspect), I could see the Cardinals trade Jared Veldheer to a LT needy team and get a good player or draft pick in return. This draft has one of the weakest tackle pools in years---and the UFA tackle pool is very thin. The market seems right, if the Cardinals want to make a move. Could help create valuable cap room, as well.

Yeah I agree Wetzel was impressive.

I'd be all onboard but with all the players this team seems likely to lose, I just can't see Bask selling the fans or players trading away another starter.

 

[cardncubfan]

No way do you get rid of Veldheer. He's the best OL we have. People want to get rid of him or move him just because DJH showed a flash of being able to handle the position which is ridiculous. Keep the kid at RT & have him keep learning how to play in the NFL.

 

[juza76]

After watching deAntony Baptiste, levi Brown, bradley Sowell and other names I forgot, I m very happy we have valdaheer in our unit
Sometimes we should remember these words
"we were better off when we were worse off "
Thats gonna happen getting rid of valdaheer

 

[Dr. Jones]

I wonder if there will be a few trade offers for a RB at 13 that would allow us to move back 4 to 7 picks.... stockpile on day 2 and still get a quality talent like Kizer.


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[Stout]

No way do you get rid of Veldheer. He's the best OL we have. People want to get rid of him or move him just because DJH showed a flash of being able to handle the position which is ridiculous. Keep the kid at RT & have him keep learning how to play in the NFL.

+1

We KNOW Veldheer can be rock solid for us at LT. We kind of think Hump can maybe play there full time, but have an extremely limited sample size that shouldn't inspire anywhere NEAR the kind of confidence we have in Veldheer.

 

[Mitch]

+1

We KNOW Veldheer can be rock solid for us at LT. We kind of think Hump can maybe play there full time, but have an extremely limited sample size that shouldn't inspire anywhere NEAR the kind of confidence we have in Veldheer.

The problem is, Veldheer has not been as solid as rock at LT the past two seasons. He has been slowly regressing, not progressing.

 

[WisconsinCard]

The problem is, Veldheer has not been as solid as rock at LT the past two seasons. He has been slowly regressing, not progressing.

Also if he is asked to move to RT will he be as good. I don't think he has ever started at RT in an NFL game...Has he? We all knew that DJ was drafted to be the LFOF so that told us that JV was on the decline. IMO

 

[WisconsinCard]

No way do you get rid of Veldheer. He's the best OL we have. People want to get rid of him or move him just because DJH showed a flash of being able to handle the position which is ridiculous. Keep the kid at RT & have him keep learning how to play in the NFL.

IMO opinion we are stronger with DJ at LT, we've all seen him struggle trying to play a new position. JV has declined in over the last two years, and I doubt we could get a 3rd rounder for him. So with that said I would approach him about a pay cut to stay if not trade him for whatever you can get. I doubt he'll be interested in moving to RT or taking RT money.

 

[Mitch]

IMO opinion we are stronger with DJ at LT, we've all seen him struggle trying to play a new position. JV has declined in over the last two years, and I doubt we could get a 3rd rounder for him. So with that said I would approach him about a pay cut to stay if not trade him for whatever you can get. I doubt he'll be interested in moving to RT or taking RT money.

A trade of players at similar salaries (and dead money to the cap): LT Jared Veldheer to the Giants for CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.

Veldheer: 2017 Base: $6.5; DM: $3.8
DRC: 2017 Base: $6.8; DM: $4.0

The Giants need a tackle and the Cardinals need a CB. Win-win, imo.

 

[cardncubfan]

A trade of players at similar salaries (and dead money to the cap): LT Jared Veldheer to the Giants for CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.

Veldheer: 2017 Base: $6.5; DM: $3.8
DRC: 2017 Base: $6.8; DM: $4.0

The Giants need a tackle and the Cardinals need a CB. Win-win, imo.

The Cards will need several stretchers to carry the injured QB's off of the field.

 

[Chopper0080]

The problem is, Veldheer has not been as solid as rock at LT the past two seasons. He has been slowly regressing, not progressing.

The Cowboys had a worse player in Doug Free on their line and they were the best unit in football last year. Veldheer is a player who can be part of a very good offensive line. You don't just toss that away. We are far better off with a trio of Veldheer, Humphries, and Wetzel, than we are with just Humpries and Wetzel and a mystery player who we hope is as good as Veldheer.

Mitch, you turn down a boat for a mystery box on the hopes the mystery box contains a boat.

 

[WisconsinCard]

The Cards will need several stretchers to carry the injured QB's off of the field.

Why is that JV missed several games last year, yet CP played til the end.