Best PG in the Game Today: Steve Nash

[jagu]

Among PG's (Jeremy Lin doesn't qualify..sorry guys)

FG %: #1 Nash .571 (3rd in the NBA overall!)
3P %: #4 Nash .455
FT %: #1 Nash 87.2%
APG: #1 Nash 10.1
TPG: 5th highest is Nash at 3.5 (over him: Rondo, Wall, DWill, Westbrook)
Double Doubles: Tied for 1st with 11 (DWill & Rubio has 11)

If Nash wanted to, he could drop 20 a night with 10 assists IMO. He just doesn't want to score that much. What a player. All these numbers with a pretty crappy roster with no real playmaker or shooter. Major props.

 

[Dr. Jones]

At his age, he is one of the most fit humans alive.

And no contender will mortgage their future for the next two years???!!

Drives me nuts. What do the Knicks, Rockets, Magic, Pacers, & Sixers have to lose? Even the Bulls could use him.

Him and Hill should get us some youth to be excited about. Also, it will make us worse initially thus increasing our draft picks.

 

[Griffin]

Drives me nuts. What do the Knicks, Rockets, Magic, Pacers, & Sixers have to lose? Even the Bulls could use him.

It's not about teams not wanting Nash. There are certainly a few that would jump at the opportunity to get him. It's about them not having any assets to trade (or being unwilling to trade) and no expiring contracts to make the trade work for the Suns. Even if the Suns don't ask for any value in return, at the very least they must get expiring contracts to preserve cap space. What would be the point of the Suns taking on bad contracts that go beyond this season and get nothing else in return?

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

At his age, he is one of the most fit humans alive.

And no contender will mortgage their future for the next two years???!!

Drives me nuts. What do the Knicks, Rockets, Magic, Pacers, & Sixers have to lose? Even the Bulls could use him.

Him and Hill should get us some youth to be excited about. Also, it will make us worse initially thus increasing our draft picks.

That's because he plays soccer

 

[mojorizen7]

At his age, he is one of the most fit humans alive.

And no contender will mortgage their future for the next two years???!!

Drives me nuts. What do the Knicks, Rockets, Magic, Pacers, & Sixers have to lose? Even the Bulls could use him.

Him and Hill should get us some youth to be excited about. Also, it will make us worse initially thus increasing our draft picks.

Me thinks that if Nash could guard anybody,that contending teams would likely be blowing up Sarver's phone for a trade.

Nash is still in a class by himself on the offensive end of the floor...but i suspect that many teams(teams that will be playoff teams) understand when his value takes a hit. He's a major liability defensively,and that will only get magnified in a 7 game series vs other elite guards who can attack.

Having said that,Nash would be an outstanding weapon to have on your bench or to start in certain offensive matchups. A great "option" IMO.

It really is quite amazing how well Nash's body and skills have held up at this stage in his career...especially considering all the running up n down the court and chasing he's done.

 

[mojorizen7]

IMO It's not about teams not wanting Nash. There are certainly a few that would jump at the opportunity to get him.

FTFY

 

[Griffin]

FTFY

So you don't agree that there's at least a few teams that would really want Nash on their roster?

 

[jibikao]

At age 38, yes, Nash is probably the best point guard in NBA history.

 

[mojorizen7]

So you don't agree that there's at least a few teams that would really want Nash on their roster?

In terms of playoff-bound teams just handing him the car keys,playing him heavy minutes and starting him....no i don't.

 

[Griffin]

In terms of playoff-bound teams just handing him the car keys,playing him heavy minutes and starting him....no i don't.

Ah, but I didn't say that nor did I imply that. Even if you disregard his ball-handling and distributing abilities, most playoff teams certainly wouldn't mind having him on the team just for his shooting alone. So regardless of the role they may envision for him, I think it's safe to say that he would be a welcome addition to quite a few playoff-bound teams.

 

[mojorizen7]

Ah, but I didn't say that nor did I imply that. Even if you disregard his ball-handling and distributing abilities, most playoff teams certainly wouldn't mind having him on the team just for his shooting alone. So regardless of the role they may envision for him, I think it's safe to say that he would be a welcome addition to quite a few playoff-bound teams.

I simply answered your question.

Here it is again: The reason i believe that contending teams aren't clamoring for Nash is because he simply isn't valuable enough come playoff time...with his defensive deficiencies and unique offensive style(that i believe) cant simply be "plugged into" any playoff team without causing problems.

Could he help? Of course he could....but not immediately in a major starting role IMO...and why would any of those teams make a fair market trade for a guy like that?

If Nash was anybody's missing piece they'd put an offer on the table that could work for both parties.

Hell,the Lakers for example...teams like that MAKE it happen regardless of cap implications etc...

How about Dallas? Do you think they'd like to go back to defending the P n R in the playoffs with Nash and Dirk? I seriously doubt it.

Nash's value at this point is incredibly overrated on this board by many. Not so much around the league i think...

 

[AzStevenCal]

I simply answered your question.

Here it is again: The reason i believe that contending teams aren't clamoring for Nash is because he simply isn't valuable enough come playoff time...with his defensive deficiencies and unique offensive style(that i believe) cant simply be "plugged into" any playoff team without causing problems.

Could he help? Of course he could....but not immediately in a major starting role IMO...and why would any of those teams make a fair market trade for a guy like that?

If Nash was anybody's missing piece they'd put an offer on the table that could work for both parties.

Hell,the Lakers for example...teams like that MAKE it happen regardless of cap implications etc...

How about Dallas? Do you think they'd like to go back to defending the P n R in the playoffs with Nash and Dirk? I seriously doubt it.

Nash's value at this point is incredibly overrated on this board by many. Not so much around the league i think...

I disagree. It isn't his defense or unique playing style, it's his age and possibly the fact he breaks down when used a lot. It's obvious he isn't the best defensive point guard but I think you routinely do him a disservice when you describe his deficiencies. I think he costs the team a few points every game on D when compared to the top defensive point guards but I think he more than makes up for it on the offensive end. And, even if you ignore his playmaking abilities, there are few teams that couldn't just plug him in as a shooter and gain from his presence. He's still among the very best in that aspect of the game.

As for all those invisible offers, Steve has gone public many times about wanting to stay in Phoenix and he's soon to be a Free Agent. Why would a team work that hard to try and acquire someone that isn't even on the market. I know you wish it were otherwise but this organization isn't going to move him simply to move him. If they decided to move him they'd be expecting something of value in return and there just aren't that many contenders willing to part with real assets in return for such a short term rental.

Steve

 

[Dr. Jones]

That's because he plays soccer

 

[cly2tw]

I disagree. It isn't his defense or unique playing style, it's his age and possibly the fact he breaks down when used a lot. It's obvious he isn't the best defensive point guard but I think you routinely do him a disservice when you describe his deficiencies. I think he costs the team a few points every game on D when compared to the top defensive point guards but I think he more than makes up for it on the offensive end. And, even if you ignore his playmaking abilities, there are few teams that couldn't just plug him in as a shooter and gain from his presence. He's still among the very best in that aspect of the game.

As for all those invisible offers, Steve has gone public many times about wanting to stay in Phoenix and he's soon to be a Free Agent. Why would a team work that hard to try and acquire someone that isn't even on the market. I know you wish it were otherwise but this organization isn't going to move him simply to move him. If they decided to move him they'd be expecting something of value in return and there just aren't that many contenders willing to part with real assets in return for such a short term rental.

Steve

He's been breaking down every single year towards the end of regular season since 2007. There is good reason for it: His team hardly could do much without him in the lineup and coaches (MDA and Gentry) wouldn't pull a Popovich and simply rest him for say 3 weeks close to the end of the regular season to be fresh for playoffs.

 

[leclerc]

Steve just Bill Russelled him

Ah it was funny how Eddie Johnson talked about the voting for best athletic play -- a dunk by Dudley or Steve Nash blocking Kemba Walker -- during the Atlanta game. The voters went for Dudley's dunk but EJ blew it off saying Steve's play was a much better. "Steve just Bill Russelled him."

LOL

 

[Superbone]

Speaking of Nash's defense, I think it's the best this year since he's been in a Suns uni.

 

[AfroSuns]

Speaking of Nash's defense, I think it's the best this year since he's been in a Suns uni.

I completely agree. i think the whole team improved defensively or they are at least giving better effort.

Nash offensive skill certainly makes up for his less than stellar performance on the other end of the court. Plus the fast tempo mantra the suns have adapted during the Nash era is not going to make a defensive juggernaut out of most player but still i am willing to bet Nash is not the worse PG defensively in the league.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I completely agree. i think the whole team improved defensively or they are at least giving better effort.

Nash offensive skill certainly makes up for his less than stellar performance on the other end of the court. Plus the fast tempo mantra the suns have adapted during the Nash era is not going to make a defensive juggernaut out of most player but still i am willing to bet Nash is not the worse PG defensively in the league.

I don't think he is either. I think he's below average among starters but he's also never played with a great stopper down low either. Gortat is the best we've had but he's not exactly the great eraser back there. He plays very good defense on his man but his help defense is only average. Lopez, for that brief stretch in the 2010 season was even better at bailing out our perimeter defenders but once you get past (2010) Lopez and Gortat we've been horrible at this and it skews the numbers for everyone.

Steve

 

[jagu]

I love what I've seen from Nash on D this year, just worried he's going to fall apart because the backups are so bad.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I love what I've seen from Nash on D this year, just worried he's going to fall apart because the backups are so bad.

The sooner the better. We need to move on. This loyalty love fest between the Suns and Nash is disastrous for the future of the franchise. Unless they have a plan for signing him for next to nil for the next to years and they believe he can recruit some quality free agents, it would be better if he did break down.

I hate to say that because I love Nash and I love to watch him play. But there is nothing to play for this year.

Watching games is like constant trips to hospice. You do it out of loyalty and love, but its terribly depressing because everyone know what is coming.

 

[cly2tw]

The sooner the better. We need to move on. This loyalty love fest between the Suns and Nash is disastrous for the future of the franchise. Unless they have a plan for signing him for next to nil for the next to years and they believe he can recruit some quality free agents, it would be better if he did break down.

I hate to say that because I love Nash and I love to watch him play. But there is nothing to play for this year.

Watching games is like constant trips to hospice. You do it out of loyalty and love, but its terribly depressing because everyone know what is coming.

This franchise's personnel decisions have been a big chaos. I could understand not signing Amare for rebuilding and financial risks, but then why spending the same amount money on much lesser players or keeping Nash to minimize our chance of lottery picks?

 

[JS22]

This franchise's personnel decisions have been a big chaos. I could understand not signing Amare for rebuilding and financial risks, but then why spending the same amount money on much lesser players or keeping Nash to minimize our chance of lottery picks?

Losers mentality.

 

[AzStevenCal]

This franchise's personnel decisions have been a big chaos. I could understand not signing Amare for rebuilding and financial risks, but then why spending the same amount money on much lesser players or keeping Nash to minimize our chance of lottery picks?

If you find someone that truly understands that logic, send them my way with their explanation. The only thing I can come up with is that we were following the time tested Isiah Thomas method of stockpiling has-beens and never-weres in the hope that they would add up to something of value once traded.

Steve

 

[mojorizen7]

I can respect the opinion of those of you who disagree with me(i really do)....but this team/roster has been going nowhere for awhile,and just because Nash is our best player,a great person and is doing good things at his age doesn't mean he's exempt from being a part of the problem here.

I think if some of you could distance yourself from the fan mentality and look at this thing from outside the box you might see things more clearly.
JMO

 

[AzStevenCal]

I can respect the opinion of those of you who disagree with me(i really do)....but this team/roster has been going nowhere for awhile,and just because Nash is our best player,a great person and is doing good things at his age doesn't mean he's exempt from being a part of the problem here.

I think if some of you could distance yourself from the fan mentality and look at this thing from outside the box you might see things more clearly.
JMO

I agree that it would be better for us if Nash were traded but I also think this highlighted section applies to you. You're thinking about this as a fan without considering that Nash has a different perspective than you do. I don't expect everyone to agree with my view of the world but I can quite confidently say that if I were Nash I wouldn't feel right forcing a trade either. It violates my sense of right and wrong and it does that for a lot of people of my generation (and some from younger generations also). It doesn't matter whether it should feel that way it only matters that it does feel that way.

Putting myself in Steve's shoes, I could comfortably approach Management and tell them that I would be agreeable to a trade if they found the right deal/partner. I keep hoping he will actually do this and I wouldn't even be surprised to discover that he already has. But taking it a step further means something quite different to me than it does to you and several others on this board.

Steve