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The front office appears to have whiffed with many of its acquisitions, further evidence that this franchise will never win consistently until it hires a real general manager.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/car...astrous-season-2011.html#ixzz1biYVjq5W[/QUOTE]

He could have saved trees and just published this one sentence.

The season was pretty much over when the Cards failed to go after a quality OT and a solid pass rusher.

Graves must go!

and let go a number 2 WR and didn't sign a legitimate CB even though all we had were rookies and one 3rd year guy who didn't play well last year... oh, and we're still sitting on a 7 million bucks in available cap space.
 

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In some ways, the Cardinals should be grateful that their stadium was full of Steelers fans, or the booing would've been far worse. They should also be grateful that people still care enough to get upset, although that might change in the near future.


Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/car...als-disastrous-season-2011.html#ixzz1bicyP9Y5


Too late.

I turned on the game with the expectations of suck-a-tude to the highest degree, and the Cardinals delivered. They lost, and I could care less. The season is over, and good riddance.
 

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Spot on article. Refreshing to see someone in the media finally question the coach instead of kissing his ass for what he oversaw this team do three years ago. Nice to see Graves called out in there as well.
 

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I don't know how much input Whis has to bring new players in. But looking at this team, owner will not go away. We can continue to hire new coach. But one thing remains constant is the GM. Mike B really needs to hire someone more qualified. I know it's been said over and over again. But I just don't know why he keeps him around. I have to wonder maybe Graves knows something about B family. Like blackmail. I don't get it!!!! Please hire someone better!!!!! Or who can evaluate talent!!!!
 

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I think Bickley nails it with this article. About as good a call as I have read for some time. Well done Mr. Bickley:

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/car...arizona-cardinals-disastrous-season-2011.html

So what do the Cardinals do. We all see the many problems but no one who makes real decisions has stepped up to offer up solutions. Of course you cannot fire yourself but you can fire those below you. As bad as things are why not fire a coach in mid season? Who is going to think anything worse of us as we are already considered one of the worst if not the worst franchise in the NFL. Get a jump on next season. Do something! Do anything to show the fans you actually care. I would be afraid to show my face in public if I were in Cardinal management. I might even consider resigning like Bobby Petrino did and who is now an Arkansas HC hero and was just given a big 7 year extension and given us some respectability.

Just how low can one team sink?
 

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The front office appears to have whiffed with many of its acquisitions, further evidence that this franchise will never win consistently until it hires a real general manager.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/car...astrous-season-2011.html#ixzz1biYVjq5W[/QUOTE]

He could have saved trees and just published this one sentence.

The season was pretty much over when the Cards failed to go after a quality OT and a solid pass rusher.

Graves must go!


Yes we needed a quality OT but that is one of the least of our worries. How abut a QB, a RB, a GM, a HC, OC, DC, GM. Compared to those needs an OT is way down the list. We could have the best OT in the NFL and would still be the worst team in our division or the NFL.
 

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and let go a number 2 WR and didn't sign a legitimate CB even though all we had were rookies and one 3rd year guy who didn't play well last year... oh, and we're still sitting on a 7 million bucks in available cap space.

Our CB play has been atrocious this year. Teams continue to pick on Jefferson game after game. He is often 10 yards from the guy he is supposed to cover. Peterson is by no means living up to his reputation and #1 pick. Wilson is aging and our best cover guy is injured. We have no real cover guys available in the defensive backfield. Of course that is just part of our problems. The year is lost so what does the staff do now. Does the team quit. I sure do not see them giving it their all unless it is a contract year. Who wants to get a serious injury with a team that is 1-5 and playing like us with little or no hope of even coming close to winning a weak division. There are a number of actual rookies who are starting at QB and contributing this year. Our 28 year old Kolb who should have an advantage over these rookies as he has been in the league for some years is playing worse than them and only getting worse. He is making bone headed mistakes in judgement. I do not know if you can coach that out of a player. Andy Reid sold us a bill of goods and we bought in like the team we are. It did not just hurt us this year but for some years to come.

Even the Denver rookie QB fooled everyone and won his first game as a starter. There were numerous reasons this QB was not going to make it in the NFL but it seems he did not know it. His stats were not good but he won as he did all through college. Sometimes winners are just winners. Hope he makes it as he seems like a good guy who the experts gave little chance in the NFL. When is the last #1 pick we used for a QB the most important guy on the team? Draft 5 QBs if you have to but get one some way. Kolb Kolb is all we heard this off season. There were many red flags on this but some idiot in our organization decided this 28 year old who was never a regular on any team was worth a good starter, a #2 pick which will be high, and a big contract. Who ever that brain was should be sent packing. That set us back probably a couple of years. We continually trade away or let go in FA some real good starting players and them make deals like the Kolb deal. Is it any wonder we are 1-5?
 
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I don't know how much input Whis has to bring new players in. But looking at this team, owner will not go away. We can continue to hire new coach. But one thing remains constant is the GM. Mike B really needs to hire someone more qualified. I know it's been said over and over again. But I just don't know why he keeps him around. I have to wonder maybe Graves knows something about B family. Like blackmail. I don't get it!!!! Please hire someone better!!!!! Or who can evaluate talent!!!!

You have to assume by the number of ex Steeler guys we bring in that Whis has some input.
 

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Whis: "Hey Michael, I can't win with the players that Graves is signing with us!"

Graves: "Hey Michael, we can't win with Whis' coaching style and his coaching staff he strongly recommended to bring in!"

Do we fire both???
 

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Whis: "Hey Michael, I can't win with the players that Graves is signing with us!"

Graves: "Hey Michael, we can't win with Whis' coaching style and his coaching staff he strongly recommended to bring in!"

Do we fire both???

YES
 

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They've all talked about how they worked as a "team" during the draft and free agency since Whisenhunt came aboard.

They are all at fault. A housecleaning will be in order at the end of the season.
 

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The only part that I really disagree with is the "that most astute football people thought highly of his future and potential". There were a lot of talking heads who liked Kolb, but there were just as many people shocked at the trade and the hype Kolb had received.

Mike Lombardi, Trent Dilfer, the people at footballoutsiders, basically most of the people who actually scout the players they talk about and dont just watch highlights, saw a ton of flaws in Kolb's game and considered him a marginal prospect at best.
 

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The only part that I really disagree with is the "that most astute football people thought highly of his future and potential". There were a lot of talking heads who liked Kolb, but there were just as many people shocked at the trade and the hype Kolb had received.

Mike Lombardi, Trent Dilfer, the people at footballoutsiders, basically most of the people who actually scout the players they talk about and dont just watch highlights, saw a ton of flaws in Kolb's game and considered him a marginal prospect at best.

Exactly...there were far more critical opinions of the trade than positive, and with good reason. The Cards were desperate and panicked, and dug the hole even deeper. Now we're stuck with a turd.

At least Andy Reid was gushing about Kolb, glad that he thinks so highly of him. Next time we make a trade, let's not cite our trading partner about what a great deal we're getting.
 

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I told my boss today that I have completed the 7 stages of grief, because I have just accepted this suckatude as our fate.
 

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I was listening to Bickley and MJ on the way home and they were the most critical I have heard any journalists yet regarding Whisenhunt and company and their decisions. Bickley again reiterated that this team will not be any good until they get a proper GM in place. He also said he thinks Whisenhunt can be a good coach with a good GM. A lot of callers were calling up hammering away at this team. The goodwill from that Super Bowl run is definitely used up in Phoenix. There will be some fallout from this season, and I really have a feeling Graves will be out as GM.
 

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I was listening to Bickley and MJ on the way home and they were the most critical I have heard any journalists yet regarding Whisenhunt and company and their decisions. Bickley again reiterated that this team will not be any good until they get a proper GM in place. He also said he thinks Whisenhunt can be a good coach with a good GM. A lot of callers were calling up hammering away at this team. The goodwill from that Super Bowl run is definitely used up in Phoenix. There will be some fallout from this season, and I really have a feeling Graves will be out as GM.

I would want to see how Whis will do with real GM. And hopefully a good one...If there is an improvement next year with the new GM, then he can continue with his contract with AZ hoping we will be better every year after that. No point of hiring new HC if we keep Graves and continue to sign Levi Brown type players. No one can win except you have rare talent like Warner.
 
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