Bidwill impact: $2.6 billion a year, 23,000 jobs

[Rats]

I don't have a clue what went on with St. Louis and the Cardinals relative to stadium business dealings.

It appears the same applies to you regarding what has occurred with the Cardinals and the stadium business dealings in Arizona.

Really, then enlighten me where I am mistaken about there business in AZ. They wanted the lion share of the profit at the Tempe site that is a fact. They cut Phx out of the eqaution and the only thing Phx politicos could do was sic the FAA on them. Rather than work it out they ran into the arms of the Glendale hovel because they could get the enormous profit from this boondoggle rather than having it benefit an entire central valley population. As for the comment they were promised a stadium....Wow I missed those lawsuits they filed against those that made those promises. Any good business man would have gotten it in writing. They are just a joke on so many levels. But in reality I only care about the one on the football field and that song remains the same. I cannot believe anyone that pays attention would actually defend these owners.

 

[Redheart]

Do you really blame them? They were promised a stadium when they moved here back in 88...it was part of why they came here. Then the local government politicos balked....

I just love how all the bad juju is thrown at the cardinals feet when we are dealing with politicians and governments.

Do they make their fair share of mistakes (and then some?) Yeah boy, no doubt they do, and mostly in football decisions. But they are overly and unfairly criticized for EVERY. LITTLE. THING. They donate a ton to charity, they chose NOT to have PSLs in the new stadium, put in $150 million from their coffers to build the damn thing along with taxes on non-residents and have completely altered the way they do business. Yes, they are horrid, ******* individuals who deserve no praise and only condemnation. Hoorah for you.

I wouldn't trust the politicians in these phoenix hamlets any further than Bill could throw them...they pulled the rug out from under them and it took them damn near 20 years to get what was promised when they arrived, all the while having to endure a cohabitation with ASU in horrid weather, with poor ticket revenue because of the environment, few ancillary revenue streams/low percentages such as parking, concessions, etc. They'd been lied to and forced to share nothing for close to two decades...and you expect them to Yessir their way into another Phx or Tempe dominated deal? Jeez. What are they, bad business people or good ones? Bad ones would have bent over for the politicians.

Burn them!

Wow. Great stuff.

 

[D-Dogg]

Really, then enlighten me where I am mistaken about there business in AZ. They wanted the lion share of the profit at the Tempe site that is a fact. They cut Phx out of the eqaution and the only thing Phx politicos could do was sic the FAA on them. Rather than work it out they ran into the arms of the Glendale hovel because they could get the enormous profit from this boondoggle rather than having it benefit an entire central valley population. As for the comment they were promised a stadium....Wow I missed those lawsuits they filed against those that made those promises. Any good business man would have gotten it in writing. They are just a joke on so many levels. But in reality I only care about the one on the football field and that song remains the same. I cannot believe anyone that pays attention would actually defend these owners.

Whatever man.

 

[O]

My take;


Over the course of years to come; Billions of dollars will be infused into the economy of the Valley Of the Sun!

Why?

Because of the Bidwills and the Stadium they had built.

Do I care where in the Valley of The Sun this stadium was built? No.

It was built here in "OUR" valley. (Sorry out of town folks).

Should the Bidwills be able to develope around the stadium? Of course they should!

Screw the cities and people that did not have the foresight to jump on board in the beginning.
You had your chance and you screwed the pooch!

 

[ajcardfan]

Rats,

You are simply wrong on the Tempe-Mesa deals. In fact, the SECOND time they worked out a deal with Mesa (first being the Rio Salado) in was written into the deal that Mesa incurred NO cost at all. What killed it was when it was forced to a vote by a petition. They wisely backed out, that stadium could NEVER have passed a vote in that stupid town. I mean, if they promised the voters $100 and a foot massage from the Bidwill of their choice, it would've lost by 2-1 margin.

Frankly, they wasted a lot of time on the Tempe i-10 site, the proposed ASU site, the downtown Phoenix site, the Gila River site. If anything should be criticized, it's that Bidwills took a long time to become openminded about NOT being in the East Valley. They repeatedly tried to get deals worse than the one they finally got. And, if there hadn't been so much political resistance in the East Valley, they would've taken one of them.

 

[D-Dogg]

If anything should be criticized, it's that Bidwills took a long time to become openminded about NOT being in the East Valley. They repeatedly tried to get deals worse than the one they finally got. And, if there hadn't been so much political resistance in the East Valley, they would've taken one of them.

Bingo.

 

[The Commish]

Stupid to call this the Bidwill impact - it's the NFL impact. Any Joe Billionaire owner would have virtually the same affect.

 

[D-Dogg]

Stupid to call this the Bidwill impact - it's the NFL impact. Any Joe Billionaire owner would have virtually the same affect.

Our Joe Millionaire owners happen to be the Bidwills. And they are the ones who are building out that area. Most Joe Billionaire owners aren't doing that. The Bidwills were smart to do that...maybe they'll become Joe Billionaire owners because of it.

 

[The Commish]

Our Joe Millionaire owners happen to be the Bidwills. And they are the ones who are building out that area. Most Joe Billionaire owners aren't doing that. The Bidwills were smart to do that...maybe they'll become Joe Billionaire owners because of it.

Joe Billionaire Bidwill is still a douche in my opinion - economic impact or no economic impact they've put a marginal product on the field for decades.

 

[D-Dogg]

Joe Billionaire Bidwill is still a douche in my opinion - economic impact or no economic impact they've put a marginal product on the field for decades.

Joe Millionaire Bidwill has stepped back and gave his son more control. Since then they have paid larger salaries for Head Coaches, have extended good players instead of letting them walk, and have signed free agents like Edge.

Are they great? No. But they have improved a great deal. They are who we are stuck with...we can bitch and moan and live in the past, or we can acknowledge the baby steps they've made so far and hope to hell the continue on that path.

They have stated that with the new revenues from the stadium they would do these types of things. They now have arrows in their quiver...finally...but they've been hunting with rocks for so long I'm not surprised they aren't expert marksmen yet. I hope to hell they get there, but let's be fair with them.

They aren't the best, but they have drastically improved from what they were 10 years ago (the collapse and firesale/walkoff of a playoff squad).

 

[Darth Llama]

Rats,

You are simply wrong on the Tempe-Mesa deals. In fact, the SECOND time they worked out a deal with Mesa (first being the Rio Salado) in was written into the deal that Mesa incurred NO cost at all. What killed it was when it was forced to a vote by a petition. They wisely backed out, that stadium could NEVER have passed a vote in that stupid town. I mean, if they promised the voters $100 and a foot massage from the Bidwill of their choice, it would've lost by 2-1 margin.

Frankly, they wasted a lot of time on the Tempe i-10 site, the proposed ASU site, the downtown Phoenix site, the Gila River site. If anything should be criticized, it's that Bidwills took a long time to become openminded about NOT being in the East Valley. They repeatedly tried to get deals worse than the one they finally got. And, if there hadn't been so much political resistance in the East Valley, they would've taken one of them.

You beat me to it!

The above is exactly what happened. The Bidwill family gets so much undue criticism it's really amazing. These people could eliminate poverty in the state, buy us all a new car, and usher in a 10,000 year era of world peace, and people would still bag on them. You want an example of why the Bidwill's are actually GOOD owners? Look at the new Dallas Stadium..

They are spending a billion dollars to build that thing, and you know how they are recovering it? Raping their fans with $10k seat licenses. You know why we don't have seat licenses here? Because the Bidwill's didn't want to tax Cardinal Fans for their own stadium. The Bidwills felt this was all of our stadium, they took on millions of dollars of cost themselves, and put the rest on a travel/tourism tax that keeps AZ residents from paying a dime. The Bidwill family moved to AZ for one reason, and that was to finally get the Cardinals their own stadium. Yes, they want the majority of the profit from it, but how is that unusual? It's their team they are trying to support, and in case no one noticed, running an NFL franchise isn't exactly cheap. They were getting screwed on their stadium deal in St.Louis, couldn't get their own stadium, so they left. Bravo! I'm glad they did, and screw St. Louis, they lost out.

The Bidwills are good for AZ, and good for the AZ economy. They are smart business men, and in my opinion good team owners. Now that they have the stadium deal, and have the revenue streams to compete on the same level as every other NFL franchise, you're going to see serious change in the Cardinals organization. I hope the Bidwills and the Cardinals are in Arizona forever!

 

[Rats]

You beat me to it!

The above is exactly what happened. The Bidwill family gets so much undue criticism it's really amazing. These people could eliminate poverty in the state, buy us all a new car, and usher in a 10,000 year era of world peace, and people would still bag on them. You want an example of why the Bidwill's are actually GOOD owners? Look at the new Dallas Stadium..

They are spending a billion dollars to build that thing, and you know how they are recovering it? Raping their fans with $10k seat licenses. You know why we don't have seat licenses here? Because the Bidwill's didn't want to tax Cardinal Fans for their own stadium. The Bidwills felt this was all of our stadium, they took on millions of dollars of cost themselves, and put the rest on a travel/tourism tax that keeps AZ residents from paying a dime. The Bidwill family moved to AZ for one reason, and that was to finally get the Cardinals their own stadium. Yes, they want the majority of the profit from it, but how is that unusual? It's their team they are trying to support, and in case no one noticed, running an NFL franchise isn't exactly cheap. They were getting screwed on their stadium deal in St.Louis, couldn't get their own stadium, so they left. Bravo! I'm glad they did, and screw St. Louis, they lost out.

The Bidwills are good for AZ, and good for the AZ economy. They are smart business men, and in my opinion good team owners. Now that they have the stadium deal, and have the revenue streams to compete on the same level as every other NFL franchise, you're going to see serious change in the Cardinals organization. I hope the Bidwills and the Cardinals are in Arizona forever!

What a load of fertilizer. They never charged seat licenses because they new the weak fan base and bandwagon would never have paid for them and it would have been a near empty stadium and an embarassment they didn't need. So some of you want to say they have turned a corner but they are still at the low end of franchises for value and one of the worse run teams in professional sports. They deserve all of the crap they get until they consistantly put a winning football team on the field. I just hope it is in our lifetimes.

 

[ajcardfan]

So some of you want to say they have turned a corner but they are still at the low end of franchises for value and one of the worse run teams in professional sports. They deserve all of the crap they get until they consistantly put a winning football team on the field. I just hope it is in our lifetimes.

I wouldn't argue with any of that. The bottom line is pro sports is winning, and they just haven't gotten it done.

 

[Darth Llama]

What a load of fertilizer. They never charged seat licenses because they new the weak fan base and bandwagon would never have paid for them and it would have been a near empty stadium and an embarassment they didn't need. So some of you want to say they have turned a corner but they are still at the low end of franchises for value and one of the worse run teams in professional sports. They deserve all of the crap they get until they consistantly put a winning football team on the field. I just hope it is in our lifetimes.

I disagree. Could the Cardinals have got away with $10k seat licesnses? Of course not, but they could have still imposed them to a lesser extent with a high chance of success just like the Panthers did in N. Carolina. They use the same system as Dallas, just to a lesser extent, and the Cardinals could have done the same. You can say that the fan base wouldn't support it all you want, but the fact of the matter remains that our "weak" fan base has sold out every single game ever played in our new stadium. A seat license imposed on the higher dollar seats would have definately brought in some extra money and when the topic was discussed a year before the stadium was completed, the Bidwill's shot it down. I realize the reason they shot it down is because they are "old school" and that's now things were done in the past, but hey, whatever keeps me from having to pay that stupid license fee.

What I read from your posts, is that your basing your view of the Bidwill family's business practices on the teams win/loss record on the football field. While I understand your frustration at the short comings of the team, I tend to keep that issue separate when discussing the business sense of the family themselves. It's clear however, we're not going to agree on this issue. I respect your view, I understand how easy it is to be frustrated by the overall lack of success they have had from a football stance here in the Valley. I still however, believe that lack of success wasn't from lack of effort, or from being "cheap." I simply acknowledge that it's unfair to hold them to the same standard as other NFL owners without allowing them the same revenue streams provided from home stadiums that other owners have enjoyed. Hopefully, they will turn things around sooner rather then later, and give you something to be happy about. Personally, I believe they will.

 

[Rats]

I disagree. Could the Cardinals have got away with $10k seat licesnses? Of course not, but they could have still imposed them to a lesser extent with a high chance of success just like the Panthers did in N. Carolina. They use the same system as Dallas, just to a lesser extent, and the Cardinals could have done the same. You can say that the fan base wouldn't support it all you want, but the fact of the matter remains that our "weak" fan base has sold out every single game ever played in our new stadium. A seat license imposed on the higher dollar seats would have definately brought in some extra money and when the topic was discussed a year before the stadium was completed, the Bidwill's shot it down. I realize the reason they shot it down is because they are "old school" and that's now things were done in the past, but hey, whatever keeps me from having to pay that stupid license fee.

What I read from your posts, is that your basing your view of the Bidwill family's business practices on the teams win/loss record on the football field. While I understand your frustration at the short comings of the team, I tend to keep that issue separate when discussing the business sense of the family themselves. It's clear however, we're not going to agree on this issue. I respect your view, I understand how easy it is to be frustrated by the overall lack of success they have had from a football stance here in the Valley. I still however, believe that lack of success wasn't from lack of effort, or from being "cheap." I simply acknowledge that it's unfair to hold them to the same standard as other NFL owners without allowing them the same revenue streams provided from home stadiums that other owners have enjoyed. Hopefully, they will turn things around sooner rather then later, and give you something to be happy about. Personally, I believe they will.

Fair enough, I will not agree with anyones support of the Bidwill ownership until I see solid consistent proof of improvement on the field. As many years of being fans of this team we have seen terrible football. I am jaded by this and cannot have there off the field good deeds in the community, as good as they are, sway me over there lack of on the field winning and what I perceive to be 4 decades of ineptitude as an NFL franchise. I can count on one hand the number of winning seasons they have had in that time frame and that should not cut it for any long time fan. Nor should that cut it for any owner of a professional team. I have young sons and a daughter that have become staunch Cards fans and I only hope this ownership group gives the next generation more to cheer about.