Bidwill's cheapness, not Green, is causing this problem

[Ed Burmila]

Ever wonder why we have a new Offensive Coordinator every 9 months? And why it's never a person that anyone has actually heard of?

Because the Cardinals spend less money for assistant coaches than any other team in the league. Every year. Surprise surprise - the cheapest possible assistant coaches turn out to be bums. Shocking!

HOW F'IN HARD IS IT to find a decent special teams coach? A decent line coach? A decent offensive coordinator? It's real, real hard when you're trying to do it on the cheap. That's why we can't do it.

This isn't rocket science. Pinch pennies on assistant coaches and end up with Alex Wood, Rich Olson, Keith Rowen, and every other no-name jackass from the unemployment office running the offense.

Giving these guys talented players is like giving a ******** kid a supercomputer.

And save your response about how Bidwill is suddenly a big spender because we paid James. We still entered the season $11 million under the cap, and YET AGAIN our assistant coaches make less than any other assistants in the league.

 

[Shane]

BS. GREEN Sucks. He himself is supposed to be an offensive genius. If thats the case he could call the plays and make the gameplan much like REAL GOOD coaches in the NFL do like Gruden, Holmgren, Shanahan. Etc..... Green is a terrible coach!

 

[tnmike]

I don't think they are cheap I think they are just stupid with their money

 

[Ed Burmila]

Even if Green sucks, or even if he was a genius, the result would be the same when you run out idiots like Keith Rowen to run the offense.

If Denny takes over playcalling himself, then you could say it's directly his fault. To my knowledge, that hasn't happened yet.

 

[dogpoo32]

I vote for both. A good coach works with what he's got. A bad coach sits back and gets progressively fatter. Denny is not a good coach. This team needs to be motivated and he is not the man to do it. He can get in front of the camera and say the right things, but it ends there. Bidwills suck too. Can't believe they would put up and contribute to so much BS.

 

[New Mexico]

Green and Bidwill suck. No coach has ever been able to win under this ownership.

 

[Duckjake]

Green and Bidwill suck. No coach has ever been able to win under this ownership.

But it is Green that is trotting out the most inept offense in NFL history. To be this bad with that talent is impressive.

Thanks Denny my grass was getting a little long.

 

[New Mexico]

But it is Green that is trotting out the most inept offense in NFL history. To be this bad with that talent is impressive.

Thanks Denny my grass was getting a little long.

I don't have the statistics at my fingertips, but I'm sure I can find a more inept Cardinal offense in recent history.

 

[Ed Burmila]

But it is Green that is trotting out the most inept offense in NFL history. To be this bad with that talent is impressive.

Thanks Denny my grass was getting a little long.

But I have to disagree.....is the talent really that great? Yes, at the skill positions we are clearly loaded. But this is the worst group of OL dogs I have seen in a while. Vince Lombardi couldn't put points on the board with the right side of his OL featuring Leckey, Liwienski, and Ross.

 

[Ed Burmila]

I don't have the statistics at my fingertips, but I'm sure I can find a more inept Cardinal offense in recent history.

Yeah, the scary thing is that our OL used to be worse! Remember the Dexter-Graham-Devlin years? The "78 club" of 5 spinning barstools?

 

[Duckjake]

I don't have the statistics at my fingertips, but I'm sure I can find a more inept Cardinal offense in recent history.

OK go find a Cardinal offense that was handed 11 turnovers in two games and lost both. Go find a Cardinal offense that averaged less than 2.5 yards per carry rushing. Find a Cardinal RB, heck any NFL RB in history with the results James had last week.

I'll be waiting.

 

[Russ Smith]

But I have to disagree.....is the talent really that great? Yes, at the skill positions we are clearly loaded. But this is the worst group of OL dogs I have seen in a while. Vince Lombardi couldn't put points on the board with the right side of his OL featuring Leckey, Liwienski, and Ross.

Ed with the exception of Big, Green handpicked all these guys, so if they suck, it's on him.

 

[Duckjake]

But I have to disagree.....is the talent really that great? Yes, at the skill positions we are clearly loaded. But this is the worst group of OL dogs I have seen in a while. Vince Lombardi couldn't put points on the board with the right side of his OL featuring Leckey, Liwienski, and Ross.

Ed, what is really sad is that this line is worse than the Brown,Selby,Devlin,Redmon,Dexter line of 1997 that gave up 78 sacks and helped their RB's to 3.2 yards rushing.

 

[Sandan]

Ed the team and/or coaches lost that game today. If the team we had on Monday had showed up we would have crsuhed them.

You can argue all you like that we aren't doing well because BB is cheap but the players we have NOW should have won that game.

You are as wrong as it's possible to be on that comment

 

[WildBB]

Even if Green sucks, or even if he was a genius, the result would be the same when you run out idiots like Keith Rowen to run the offense.

If Denny takes over playcalling himself, then you could say it's directly his fault. To my knowledge, that hasn't happened yet.

Why hasn't it. Can't he take the heat or does he need a scapegoat. It all has to fall on him at some point. Just to have him as the great Reagen (delegator) doesn't cut it anymore for this team. Either he takes it by the reigns or loses it. PS -- (it should have been done allready).

 

[Renz]

Zauner and Loney were two of the most respected coaches at their positions and our special teams and o-line are arguably worse than last season.

No matter what this organization does, you can take it to the bank that it will turn out backwards.

 

[BigRedArk]

There's plenty of sin to go around the whole organization Ed....or disorganization rather.

 

[Goodyear Card]

I don't think they are cheap I think they are just stupid with their money

I agree or maybe bad luck. We re-signed Rackers to big contract and now he can only make chip shots and his kick-offs only go to the 10 yard line.

 

[New Mexico]

OK go find a Cardinal offense that was handed 11 turnovers in two games and lost both. Go find a Cardinal offense that averaged less than 2.5 yards per carry rushing. Find a Cardinal RB, heck any NFL RB in history with the results James had last week.

I'll be waiting.

Points on the scoreboard is the only thing that matters.

 

[RedViper]

I vote for both.

What will be interesting is the fallout when they send DG out on his arse. He is going to point out where all the bodies are buried, every instance where he told the Bids to do X and they did Y because Y was doing it on the cheap. Not that you can trust Green either, he'll put all of it on the ownership, nevertheless, a lot of it will be true and it will be very ugly. It won't be some tearful goodbye like coach Dave, or going quietly into that good night like Tobin. Green will go out like a scalded cat.

 

[Duckjake]

Points on the scoreboard is the only thing that matters.

Right, and as of today the Cards have put fewer points on the scoreboard than their opponents 6 times out of 7. Even the pathetic 2003 team had two wins at this point in the season. Even worse the 3-13 team of 2000 had more wins at week 7. In fact the 3-13 2000 team had scored more points through week 7 than they have this year.

 

[john h]

Ever wonder why we have a new Offensive Coordinator every 9 months? And why it's never a person that anyone has actually heard of?

Because the Cardinals spend less money for assistant coaches than any other team in the league. Every year. Surprise surprise - the cheapest possible assistant coaches turn out to be bums. Shocking!

HOW F'IN HARD IS IT to find a decent special teams coach? A decent line coach? A decent offensive coordinator? It's real, real hard when you're trying to do it on the cheap. That's why we can't do it.

This isn't rocket science. Pinch pennies on assistant coaches and end up with Alex Wood, Rich Olson, Keith Rowen, and every other no-name jackass from the unemployment office running the offense.

Giving these guys talented players is like giving a ******** kid a supercomputer.

And save your response about how Bidwill is suddenly a big spender because we paid James. We still entered the season $11 million under the cap, and YET AGAIN our assistant coaches make less than any other assistants in the league.

Every time I point out that the cheap Bidwills are PART of the problem I get called out. You cannot year after year stay way under the CAP and expect to compete. I would guess the overall coaching budget is in the bottom three of the NFL. Graves does not even qualify as a GM and I imagine he is paid as such.

 

[slanidrac16]

How many o-linemen are we going to have to go thru to get results. Four players that were here over the last 2 1/2 years are now on other teams and STARTING!!!
I work in a meat market. I have worked for guys that were unorganized, failed to make company average in gross profit, net profit, supply cost, and payroll. A new manager was brought in and all of a sudden the numbers turned around. He had the same employees as the guy who he replaced. He just KNEW what he was doing.

The Saints won 3 games last year. One off season, with a new head coach, new staff, new qb and a set of rookie receivers have this team 5-1.

I hate the thought of starting all over again, but starting all over again would not mean stripping this team down to the bone and rebuilding.
Bill Parcells would have this team winning. So would Tony Dungy. Dennis Green and most of his staff are simply inadequate.

In this day of free agency and salary cap there is no reason in the world that a team can't be at least .500 after 2 years. We're stupid to accept anything less.

 

[Shane]

Zauner and Loney were two of the most respected coaches at their positions and our special teams and o-line are arguably worse than last season.

No matter what this organization does, you can take it to the bank that it will turn out backwards.

According to who? I have never read anything that says they are 2 of the most respected in the NFL? Can you find that? Ive read that Denny thinks a lot of them and have been coaches under him before etc..... But nothing like you are stating.

 

[Duckjake]

According to who? I have never read anything that says they are 2 of the most respected in the NFL? Can you find that? Ive read that Denny thinks a lot of them and have been coaches under him before etc..... But nothing like you are stating.

On Zauner, read "Next Man Up" the author is a guy who is known for not pulling punches and the book portrays Zauner as a very good ST coach.