Big Ben to Arizona?

[TJ]

Meziel scares me. He seems to have an uncanny ability to play QB, he also has the baggage of being a jerk. Can he be a true leader or is he Jeff George in disguise?

He's Favre with more mobility, and probably sends penis pics to chicks, too.

I'd be sold on Manziel if he came here.

 

[Chopper0080]

Johnny Meziel

Depending on where we draft, we may be able to trade back into the mid 1st round & add a LT & Meziel. The kid has major skills.

Ha. We will differ on him all offseason I guess. He is the 2014 version of Tavon Austin IMO. Too small and his game does not translate to the NFL. Will struggle from the pocket and will commit too many turnovers because of his reckless style of play and questionable decision making. That isn't even getting to off field issues.

 

[Buckybird]

Too small and his game does not translate to the NFL. Will struggle from the pocket and will commit too many turnovers because of his reckless style of play and questionable decision making. That isn't even getting to off field issues.

I think that's fair, considering the track record for Heisman winners & smaller NFL QBs. But molds are meant to be broken.

 

[Buckybird]

Meziel scares me. He seems to have an uncanny ability to play QB, he also has the baggage of being a jerk. Can he be a true leader or is he Jeff George in disguise?

His teammates swear by him as a leader & Ive seen him mature somewhat throughout the year, watching each A&M game, though I didn't care for the way he carried himself this past offseason after success, so it diffantely is a factor.

He's Favre with more mobility, and probably sends penis pics to chicks, too.

I'd be sold on Manziel if he came here.

I think he's a combo of the gunslinger (Favre) & the athlete & scrambler (Tarkenton). He's a very talented passer IMO. Who completes over 80% of his passes on 3rd down? It's not just check downs either! Wow

 

[AzStevenCal]

His teammates swear by him as a leader & Ive seen him mature somewhat throughout the year, watching each A&M game, though I didn't care for the way he carried himself this past offseason after success, so it diffantely is a factor.


I think he's a combo of the gunslinger (Favre) & the athlete & scrambler (Tarkenton). He's a very talented passer IMO. Who completes over 80% of his passes on 3rd down? It's not just check downs either! Wow

Yeah, you never heard teammates come to Jeff George's defense like you do with Manziel. I have no idea if he can make it work in the NFL, few undersized QB's do but I'd grab him in a heartbeat. If he makes it, he makes it big IMO and unless you're drafting in the first couple of spots it's always going to be a gamble on QB's.

Steve

 

[ajcardfan]

Yeah, you never heard teammates come to Jeff George's defense like you do with Manziel. I have no idea if he can make it work in the NFL, few undersized QB's do but I'd grab him in a heartbeat. If he makes it, he makes it big IMO and unless you're drafting in the first couple of spots it's always going to be a gamble on QB's.

Steve

I saw a story where Roger Staubach was praising Manziel highly and said he was ready for the NFL. There are some obvious parallels between the two. I think he's right. Here is why I think Manziel will be successful in the NFL:

1. He totally thrives on the spotlight and having the bullseye on him. He doesn't feel pressure when he is on that field. Fantastic traits for a QB.

2. He is ultra-competitive, so the idea that he is going to get big money and then tank I don't agree with. There are numerous stories about this with him, but the one I'll go with is how when he went to see a QB guru in the offseason before he became a starter, Logan Thomas from VT was there. Thomas is the prototype NFL size QB with a cannon arm and JF insisted that he do exactly all the same drills as Thomas and went head to head with him, which the story goes is not usually how this QB guy worked. He would personalize drills for each QB.

3. He has rapidly improved passing from the pocket, and overall. Last year, after his first game against Florida, I call my dad and say, "Well, they lost but it looks like they might have a good QB for the future." was thinking like a year or two down the road. But, I swear, last year game to game and week to week, he was improving at a rate that takes most QBs a full season to improve to.

4. This year, he is largely making reads and calls at the LOS, based on the defense, ala Manning. And, he gets it right a lot more often than not.

5. The guy is extremely smart. He had almost a year of credit under his belt when he entered college due to AP classes. He is already close to a degree in three years.

6. In spite of the perception that he was goofing all offseason, the coaches say he did all they asked of him to prepare, and more.

7. And, just look what he did to Nick Saban's defense in two games. NO ONE has come close to tearing up a Saban defense like that and what he did in two games NO ONE has ever done to an Alabama team


The concerns:

1. The worst thing was the fake ID and getting in the middle of a scuffle one of his friends went to the bar with him.

2. His dad saying he drinks and gets angry and might prefer jail to being bothered.


I think he has offset those concerns some by playing so well this year and no whisper of trouble since they started practice. All the stuff about him hanging out with stars and the autographs.... so what? Almost any of us who were 20 and had the chance to do those things would do it to.

As for the partying.... okay, he's got a bit of Broadway Joe in him.

I'll take him on my team any day of the week. The Cards would be the lead story of the NFL going into next season if they draft him.

 

[GatorAZ]

Vick apologized and has worked to rectify what he did. (Not that he can but he's humbled himself and shown he knows he did something unacceptable.)

Honey Badger, while affecting his team, did something that hurt himself more than others. (Hopefully he learned a lesson. So far, so good.)

If R-burger apologized to his victim..... I missed that. If he's ever acknowledged that he demeaned a woman by being a crass and vile person who didn't have the right to touch his victim much less attack her.... I missed that too.

There were piles of evidence against Vick and he was convicted thus going to prison. Let's not compare that with a he said/she said case where none of us have any idea what happened.

 

[ajcardfan]

There were piles of evidence against Vick and he was convicted thus going to prison. Let's not compare that with a he said/she said case where none of us have any idea what happened.

There is no question that he took an extremely intoxicated female into a restroom and had his way with her while he had his two bodyguards block the door.

To me, he's scum. I would dump my tickets while he was on the team.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Originally Posted by GatorHater
There were piles of evidence against Vick and he was convicted thus going to prison. Let's not compare that with a he said/she said case where none of us have any idea what happened.

There is no question that he took an extremely intoxicated female into a restroom and had his way with her while he had his two bodyguards block the door.

To me, he's scum. I would dump my tickets while he was on the team.

I agree and it wasn't just one "he said/she said" case either, there were several incidents.

Steve

 

[AzStevenCal]

2. His dad saying he drinks and gets angry and might prefer jail to being bothered.

As I said, I'd take him in a heartbeat but this is the one that scares me. The other stuff I can write off to his youth but this one points to a possible bigger problem. I'd still take him (after doing our due diligence) but this is the red flag area that I'd watch the most. On the field, the moment never seems too big and you can almost see the game slow down for him when the pressure is on. Sure, I wish he was Cam Newton's size and build but he has all the potential in the world.

Steve

 

[82CardsGrad]

i'd take him in a heartbeat. this isn't a retread we're talking about. this is Hall Of Fame QB, still in his prime. we somehow make a deal for him that doesn't involved a first round pick, you could be looking at adding Big Ben and a first round LT and boom...this team is not only a legit playoff contender, but they're a bona-fide Super Bowl contender.

all that being said, this ain't happening.

He'll be 32 next season. A very old 32. I believe he is already on the downside of his career, not "in his prime"... He's less mobile and appears to be less accurate than he's ever been.
No thanks... I prefer we draft out QBOF...


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[Totally_Red]

No! I think the cost would be prohibitive and the Cardinals can't afford to trade away draft choices or players IMO. The lesson should have been learned in the Kevin Kolb trade and Big Ben would be far more costly.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Is Roethlisberger a dbag? Of course. Can he help this football team? Of course.

Assuming the trade parameters make sense I'd be all for it.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Is Roethlisberger a dbag? Of course. Can he help this football team? Of course.

Assuming the trade parameters make sense I'd be all for it.

Yup.

I would prefer to go get a young guy who would be the Chise for next 15 years obviously but thats no sure thing not matter where you pick and you dont turn down a opportunity to get a 31 yr old Ben.

Could happen too. If he is going anywhere it would be here, you know Arians is going to push for it, and Steelers depending on where this seaon goes could be ready to reboot and doing it in a QB heavy draft is the right timing.

PLenty of time to discuss this though. Lets focus on 5-4 baby!

 

[Arizona's Finest]

My biggest concern is they will want a 1st rounder at least.

If we finish somehwere 18-32 Im all for it. Earlier then that? Damn we need a Tackle.

 

[Chopper0080]

My biggest concern is they will want a 1st rounder at least.

If we finish somehwere 18-32 Im all for it. Earlier then that? Damn we need a Tackle.

I would give up a 3rd rounder at most. Big contract, lots of miles and significant regression are not selling points for me. Ben would be better than we have but not for long.

 

[PJ1]

No to Raplisburger. Draft our QB this year and keep Palmer around until he is ready.

I do get worried Arians and his senior citizen coaching staff won't be as patient.

 

[MrYeahBut]

I'd probably go into hibernation until he was gone.

 

[cardpa]

Hopefully SK has enough sense to just say no to Big Ben. Doesn't matter if BA wants him if SK rejects the idea. Get a young gun in the draft. That kid in South Florida looks good and can probably be had in the second round or lower first round

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Arians shot down the rumors and said he feels "Big Ben will be a Steeler for life."

 

[Cheesebeef]

Arians shot down the rumors and said he feels "Big Ben will be a Steeler for life."

I agree with him. teams don't move on from their franchise QBs after a couple bad years...they move on from the Coach. You don't have to look any further then Rivers and the Chargers to find proof of that, and Rivers hasn't had near the success winning games that Ben has.

 

[Totally_Red]

Arians shot down the rumors and said he feels "Big Ben will be a Steeler for life."

Yup! It ain't fantasy football. You actually have to overpay him and the Cardinals ain't got the cap space to take on a $15-million QB even if the Steelers were foolish enough to trade him. Big Ben will be a Steeler long after Todd Haley has moved on.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

Well then, you have your marching orders so let me know the final choice.

I'm not much of a draft guru, but I usually decide who I'd like during the Bowl games. With all the attending hoop-la I think they're pretty good test of how players handle extra pressure and being under an intense spotlight.

So remind me.

 

[LaidBackPhil]

I think its about 5% possibility of Roethlisberger moving but if he did Id trade top draft choices for him in a heartbeat.

First you see what the media did with Incognito Martin which went from in reality young punk shock jock style b breaking being overdone to evil racism. Pure hogwash as we now can see.

Same with the Steeler QB who was a drunken young punk chasing bar ****** among other stupid crap that most of these young over privileged jocks get involved with anyway. Who knows what these tramps did or didn't want to do other than get paid by a millionaire punk that pretty much deserved the life lesson that he got.

Now he's 30 something, very much a family man waiting for baby #2 in the spring. he learned what's important and it isnt being Conan the Barbarian. We won't see him on Harleys, in coed sex bars or on WWE anymore. That young punk is dead and gone.

Reuniting him with Arians will reinvigorate his career as far as playoffs go. Out from under reTodd and his dink n dunk stink fest along with Opus Dei Rooney and his Neanderthal stone age run first offense without bell cow running backs.

This three time super bowl QB has as accurate an arm as there is in the league and he gives us 5 or 6 years of being the prohibited favorite in the division for all those years.

Would you prefer a R1 QB that probably will never sniff the SB or perhaps a a scared self tackling bum like CP?

Only haters would not trade someone that can take us back to the SB for draft choices realistically being a R1 and R3 this year and a R2 next year. Could you really pass that up?

 

[GatorAZ]

Seeing this thread every day makes me all giddy inside.