Big coming or going?

[az1965]

Davis at guard will be MUCH better than Milford Brown... Brown will be a solid backup

 

[BACH]

Davis at guard will be MUCH better than Milford Brown... Brown will be a solid backup

Have you actually seen Brown play lately?

 

[football karma]

Here is the part that concerns me: the game isnt fun for him anymore.

Not that I really care about a multi-millionaires peace of mind -- I dont want a guy who could be going through the motions protecting the QBOF we have all waited so long for.

Also perplexing is this -- pay me big dollars like a tackle but I want to play guard. I wonder is any other NFL team is going to break the bank for a guard.

 

[Redsz]

You ATLEAST tag him. I don't want to go into next year with no one at LT. If you can find another option, cool do that, but we need some form of back up.

 

[vince56]

He was an absolute mauler as a rookie at guard. He is very good in run support, and is very good in pass protection taking guys head on. But when he's up against a solid speed rusher, he's easily beat to the outside and whiffs a lot on his blocks.

We've all seen this many times.

I'd say, just by watching him play, he's much better suited to be a guard. Yeah, he's not very fast, so pulling and trap blocking isn't going to be a big part of the gameplan, but straight up, he's got a lot of power & drive in his lower body and can bury his man in the run game.

I'd say definitely keep him and put him at guard.

 

[Redsz]

Have you actually seen Brown play lately?

Gotta agree. He has been very effective at LG.

 

[football karma]

He was an absolute mauler as a rookie at guard. He is very good in run support, and is very good in pass protection taking guys head on. But when he's up against a solid speed rusher, he's easily beat to the outside and whiffs a lot on his blocks.

We've all seen this many times.

I'd say, just by watching him play, he's much better suited to be a guard. Yeah, he's not very fast, so pulling and trap blocking isn't going to be a big part of the gameplan, but straight up, he's got a lot of power & drive in his lower body and can bury his man in the run game.

I'd say definitely keep him and put him at guard.

Here is the thing about him as guard -- I remember alot of games watching DT's take him back to the QB like Big was on roller skates.

I wonder if he is too tall for guard -- DT's get under his pads too easily

 

[Redsz]

Wow. I can't say that I remember what some of you remember about BIG's play at guard. I would say he has played better at LT than he has at any guard postion.

 

[ajcardfan]

Wow. I can't say that I remember what some of you remember about BIG's play at guard. I would say he has played better at LT than he has at any guard postion.

Yeah, that is selective memory. We never ran the ball that well with him at G or RT. I don't think he made Pro Bowl alternate at either of those spots too. I'm thinking he might have at G his second season.

He actually played RG his rookie season. He was moved to RT for his second season. He played at both during his third year. So, he's never played LG.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I dpoke with my contact from the Cards and he tells me if we were in a playoff race Lienart could play. Warner knows this is he chance to show other teams that he can play. But the biggest news was that L. Davis "Big" wants to move on. His biggest demand aside from money is that he wants to play his natural position which is left gaurd. He doubts the Cards will want to keep him at his asking price and the fact that he no longer wants to play LT the game isn't fun anymore for him.

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So BIG is not buying into the system. He is not excited with the new talent around him. He could care less that THE TEAM needs him at LT. He is demanding a huge pay out for playing about as well as LJ Shelton. Ans finally he is complaining that the game is not fun anymore.

What a whiner! AND an ingrate. Waaahh I hate my job Waaahh. Well, I am not whistling dixie on my way to work either but I go get the job done anyway.

I know this team can't afford to get rid of Big but if he leaves I sure will not be sorry to see his whining, mopey, unmotivated butt leave.

C A N C E R !

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Furthermore,

McNiel, and Ferguson.

2 rookie tackles that played better than Davis this year, and are getting paid A LOT less.

Let the fat man walk out of here and go mope around someone else's team.

I HOPE he goes to the Cowboys if he does walk.

 

[Evil Ash]

Furthermore,

McNiel, and Ferguson.

2 rookie tackles that played better than Davis this year, and are getting paid A LOT less.

Let the fat man walk out of here and go mope around someone else's team.

I HOPE he goes to the Cowboys if he does walk.

Brilliant strategy. Let's let our LT go for nothing and pray that Thomas is available when we pick (Oh and lets not forget to mention that Thomas would make as much as BIG as an unproven rookie)

We have a pretty good Oline for the first time in around a decade and now people want to blow it up. Do we want to go back to losing again?

 

[joeshmo]

Brilliant strategy. Let's let our LT go for nothing and pray that Thomas is available when we pick (Oh and lets not forget to mention that Thomas would make as much as BIG as an unproven rookie)

Overall Contract Value Thomas would make more as a #5 Pick then Davis would make if given a long term deal, in the range of his peers like McKinnie and others.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Brilliant strategy. Let's let our LT go for nothing and pray that Thomas is available when we pick (Oh and lets not forget to mention that Thomas would make as much as BIG as an unproven rookie)

We have a pretty good Oline for the first time in around a decade and now people want to blow it up. Do we want to go back to losing again?

Brilliant comeback.

What part of Leonard Davis wants to move on didn't you understand ?

Secondly I already stated in the post above that I know we need BIG on our offensive line.

Team chemistry is NUMERO UNO for next year. There are a lot of teams in the playoff hunt right now that do not have the talent we have in Arizona. You don't think this team has talent? Watch the BEATING we put on the Bears, and the BEATING we put on the Seahawks. Those are two very good team that we dominated. What is missing on our team is chemistry. BIG stating he does not want to be on this team, and stating he can care less about the team and more about himself and where he plays.

I am sorry but if he doesn't want to be here then let his BIG butt leave. Honestly he is not THAT good.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Overall Contract Value Thomas would make more as a #5 Pick then Davis would make if given a long term deal, in the range of his peers like McKinnie and others.

I did not know that.

But seriously.....PEERS? with McKinnie? Big could hold that guys jock strap. And remember McKinnie is a Tackle. Big clearly stated he doesn't have any fun at tackle and needs to play guard.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

So BIG is not buying into the system. He is not excited with the new talent around him. He could care less that THE TEAM needs him at LT. He is demanding a huge pay out for playing about as well as LJ Shelton. Ans finally he is complaining that the game is not fun anymore.

What a whiner! AND an ingrate. Waaahh I hate my job Waaahh. Well, I am not whistling dixie on my way to work either but I go get the job done anyway.

I know this team can't afford to get rid of Big but if he leaves I sure will not be sorry to see his whining, mopey, unmotivated butt leave.

C A N C E R !

Given that he never played LEFT GUARD and thus could hardly consider it his natural position, wouldn't this suggest this whole story is a bit suspect? And, if so... isn't it a bit of a quantum leap to call him a cancer.

(P.S. you keep saying that "Big stated", etc... Where are the quotes?)

 

[Evil Ash]

Brilliant comeback.

What part of Leonard Davis wants to move on didn't you understand ?

Secondly I already stated in the post above that I know we need BIG on our offensive line.

Team chemistry is NUMERO UNO for next year. There are a lot of teams in the playoff hunt right now that do not have the talent we have in Arizona. You don't think this team has talent? Watch the BEATING we put on the Bears, and the BEATING we put on the Seahawks. Those are two very good team that we dominated. What is missing on our team is chemistry. BIG stating he does not want to be on this team, and stating he can care less about the team and more about himself and where he plays.

I am sorry but if he doesn't want to be here then let his BIG butt leave. Honestly he is not THAT good.

You have a lot of faith in this unknown source, don't you?

Personally I don't buy it. He doesn't want to be a guard and he wants to have a big payday. He doesn't want to be franchised because he'd get more money as the only good OT on the market with teams having a ton of caproom (its reported on avg teams have $20 million to spend under the cap)

As for team chemistry it only works if people are doing their jobs. Letting someone like Big go and not having a plan for replacing him would be one of the dumbest decisions in the history of dumb decisions for this franchise.

I'm all for looking for improvements but change for the sake of change is pure stupidity

 

[Evil Ash]

I did not know that.

But seriously.....PEERS? with McKinnie? Big could hold that guys jock strap. And remember McKinnie is a Tackle. Big clearly stated he doesn't have any fun at tackle and needs to play guard.

No he didn't an unknown source said he did.

The only direct quote from Big I saw regarding his upcoming FA status was him hinting that he wanted to go on the open market for a big payday

 

[RugbyMuffin]

You have a lot of faith in this unknown source, don't you?

I keep my options open. I know enough that I don't know everything. I don't believe in putting the blinders on all day, and think that I know everything. Not saying you do either my friend. I just give all things a chance.

Plus this "source" has been pretty accurate over the last few years.

I'm all for looking for improvements but change for the sake of change is pure stupidity

I say change for the sake of team chemistry. To have leaders, and players who want to win out on the field.

Are Duece Lutui, and Nick Leckey THAT much better than Oliver Ross, Alex Stepanovich, Chris Liwenski ?

NO! They just want to win. They play for pride, and for there teammates. The proof is in the play of the ENTIRE OFFENSIVE LINE AS A UNIT. Those two players saved our season.

And what has BIG done for this team ? I haven't seen this team play any better or worse with him in the line up or out of the line up. I haven't seen him dominate anything or anyone.

Once again I would keep him if it is a possibility. Our offensive line (even with BIG playing in it) is very weak, and borderline pitiful. I think the reason BIG seems to be a good OLinemen is because he one of the best of a poor bunch.

If the unconfirmed source is wrong then GREAT! He comes back next year or for a couple more. He will play his 10 to 14 games a season, continue to play well in running situations, getting by in passing situations, and leading the league in false starts. Yet, without a doubt will give us a solid LT.

I am just saying if he leaves then he leaves. People seem to forget that if BIG wants to leave, then he will leave this team. Tagged or not.

 

[Evil Ash]

I say change for the sake of team chemistry. To have leaders, and players who want to win out on the field.

Are Duece Lutui, and Nick Leckey THAT much better than Oliver Ross, Alex Stepanovich, Chris Liwenski ?

NO! They just want to win. They play for pride, and for there teammates. The proof is in the play of the ENTIRE OFFENSIVE LINE AS A UNIT. Those two players saved our season.

Please tell me you're joking because that is one of the funniest things I've ever read. Ross was god awful, Lewinski was getting destroyed in games like GB, and Alex Stepanawhiff couldn't block my grandmother.

They were awful, it had little to do with chemistry.

And what has BIG done for this team ? I haven't seen this team play any better or worse with him in the line up or out of the line up. I haven't seen him dominate anything or anyone.

He's looked a hell of a lot better when this current line was formed. Having a LG next to him that knew how to block has done wonders

Once again I would keep him if it is a possibility. Our offensive line (even with BIG playing in it) is very weak, and borderline pitiful. I think the reason BIG seems to be a good OLinemen is because he one of the best of a poor bunch.

Since our current Oline has been formed we have averaged over 4.2 yards per carry and have given up just over a sack a game. If they did that for a full season that would put them in the top 10 in both categories

If the unconfirmed source is wrong then GREAT! He comes back next year or for a couple more. He will play his 10 to 14 games a season, continue to play well in running situations, getting by in passing situations, and leading the league in false starts. Yet, without a doubt will give us a solid LT.

I am just saying if he leaves then he leaves. People seem to forget that if BIG wants to leave, then he will leave this team. Tagged or not.

If Big leaves I want a plan to find an improvement to replace him not just relying on luck. There are no Ots in the FA market worth a damn, Thomas will likely be gone when we pick, and I'm not sure Levi Brown is an improvement.

Make improvements but don't change for the sake of change that goes for all positions this offseason and every offseason hereafter

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I keep my options open. I know enough that I don't know everything. I don't believe in putting the blinders on all day, and think that I know everything. Not saying you do either my friend. I just give all things a chance.

Plus this "source" has been pretty accurate over the last few years.



I say change for the sake of team chemistry. To have leaders, and players who want to win out on the field.

Are Duece Lutui, and Nick Leckey THAT much better than Oliver Ross, Alex Stepanovich, Chris Liwenski ?

NO! They just want to win. They play for pride, and for there teammates. The proof is in the play of the ENTIRE OFFENSIVE LINE AS A UNIT. Those two players saved our season.

And what has BIG done for this team ? I haven't seen this team play any better or worse with him in the line up or out of the line up. I haven't seen him dominate anything or anyone.

Once again I would keep him if it is a possibility. Our offensive line (even with BIG playing in it) is very weak, and borderline pitiful. I think the reason BIG seems to be a good OLinemen is because he one of the best of a poor bunch.

If the unconfirmed source is wrong then GREAT! He comes back next year or for a couple more. He will play his 10 to 14 games a season, continue to play well in running situations, getting by in passing situations, and leading the league in false starts. Yet, without a doubt will give us a solid LT.

I am just saying if he leaves then he leaves. People seem to forget that if BIG wants to leave, then he will leave this team. Tagged or not.

... and some people don't seem to know that when you are tagged you can't go anywhere, and that the tag can be used again on the same player.

 

[lobo]

Brilliant strategy. Let's let our LT go for nothing and pray that Thomas is available when we pick (Oh and lets not forget to mention that Thomas would make as much as BIG as an unproven rookie)

We have a pretty good Oline for the first time in around a decade and now people want to blow it up. Do we want to go back to losing again?

of course..we finally look like we have something that works..then blow it up....i would love to have been a fly on the wall during our musical chairs phase and find out whose idea was to change the lineup every hour...if DG should go i think we will have found the answer...

 

[Cardiac]

He was an absolute mauler as a rookie at guard. He is very good in run support, and is very good in pass protection taking guys head on. But when he's up against a solid speed rusher, he's easily beat to the outside and whiffs a lot on his blocks.

We've all seen this many times.

I'd say, just by watching him play, he's much better suited to be a guard. Yeah, he's not very fast, so pulling and trap blocking isn't going to be a big part of the gameplan, but straight up, he's got a lot of power & drive in his lower body and can bury his man in the run game.

I'd say definitely keep him and put him at guard.

Great Post! So we Franchise him and try to draft his replacement at LOT. When he can be moved to LG then do so and let Lecky and M Brown battle it out for C.

 

[Cardiac]

Furthermore,

McNiel, and Ferguson.

2 rookie tackles that played better than Davis this year, and are getting paid A LOT less.

Let the fat man walk out of here and go mope around someone else's team.

I HOPE he goes to the Cowboys if he does walk.

Only if we get compensation.

BIG wants to play OG because he knows that he can kick A$$ at the position. Doesn't make him a whiner necessarily, just smart.

Forget about BIG's salary for a second and think about what he does bring to the team. Cap room is about the last thing this team needs to worry about.

 

[spanky1]

... and some people don't seem to know that when you are tagged you can't go anywhere, and that the tag can be used again on the same player.

Actually, under the new CBA, you can only tag a player once.