Big WR

[oaken1]

when you look at the redbird roster we have lots of WR's... the problem is, other than Fitz, none of them are very big. It makes it difficult to run fade routes or throw up 50/50 balls when most of our WR's are only as tall as the DB's,...or in some cases even shorter. No matter what we do in regards to our QB situation we need good targets in order for the guy to be successful. Having a WR that can win jump balls, or reach for a high pass and pull it in with one hand would greatly increase any QB's chances to be successful.

as far as projected first rounders go... the only guy with size is St.Brown from Notre Dame... and honestly I think this staff may be hesitant to draft a big WR from ND right now....The drunken Champion is still a little to fresh. Not to mention, we may be drafting a QB in that first round.

So who fits the bill with a later pick??

Simmie Cobbs Jr

6'4" and 210 lbs

This kid from Indiana fits the bill... good speed, great hops,..and very reliable hands. When a guy plays for Indiana it is normal to be concerned over the level of competition he has faced. But take a look at this game tape from Indianas 2017 meeting with then #2 ranked Ohio state...

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in several plays on that tape Cobbs is being covered by Denzel Ward who is the #2 ranked CB in this draft.. you will notice on the TD catch Ward is obviously guilty of serious PI... but it didnt matter
against Ohio states defense Cobbs totaled 11 catches for 149 yards and 1 TD...
I think there were three one handed catches in that game alone. I realize OSU didnt have an all world defense, but you play the schedule you are given.
My biggest concern over Cobbs is the fact that he is so wirey... but he plays stronger than his frame would suggest and he will add weight at the next level and only get stronger.


Auden Tate

6'5" 225 lbs

Auden Tate from Florida State also fits the bill. Big solid WR who catches with his hands and knows how to get open. Playing for Florida State there are less questions regarding level of competition. Tate does not make as man "spectacular" catches as Cobbs does... he is a very big sure handed possession type WR with a knack for getting open.

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These guys are both big targets who can ball... for body type,... think of Randy Moss Vs Calvin Johnson because thats what these guys look like... not saying Cobbs and Tate are going to match Moss and Megatron in production,... but in body type comparison...and in measurables.

Moss and Johnson both ran 4.38 at the combine...

Cobbs is expected to run 4.4 and Tate is expected to run 4.45

Cobbs missed his Junior season due to injury...recovering from that may have affected his senior season as well...it often does

COBBS G REC YDS AVG TD
*2015 Indiana Big Ten SO WR 13 60 1035 17.3 4
2017 Indiana Big Ten SR WR 12 72 841 11.7 8


TATE
REC YDS AVG LG TD's
2017 40 548 13.7 51 10
2016 25 409 16.4 39 6


You can clearly see that Cobbs is the more dynamic player... which is why Cobbs is a 2nd round pick and Tate is a 3rd round guy. But Tate has all of the measurables and skills one seeks in a young WR... he very likely suffered due to Florida State having a whodat at QB,.. because he is obviously better than his stats indicate. Also due to his size Tate can be a slot WR similar to Larry and pick up those seal blocks... he is 225, but also young...quite conceivable he will be 235 in a couple years, perhaps even 240... he could be one of those "Tweener" TE/WR hybrids similar to Jimmy Graham of Tony Gonzalez.

Our team is lacking a big WR,... these two guys both bring different assets to a team.... and as crazy as it sounds I would be completely stoked if we came away from this draft with both of these guys. I could see Tate working the middle of the field while Cobbs streaks down the sideline.

While I would not balk at getting the next "Steve Smith" on our team... barring that type of talent we dont need any more 6 foot WR's...we have those guys,...we also have a couple of guys who are supposed to be blazing fast... how many times have we seen those guys alone behind the defense exactly?
Speed is fantastic, especially when a guy gets in the open field... but the ability to climb the ladder and come down with the ball...is equally fantastic... the ability to reach out and nab a pass with just the fingertips of a single hand...is even more fantastic.

In round two of the 2018 NFL draft the Arizona Cardinals select.... Simmie Cobbs Jr... Wide Receiver Indiana....


it would be a good thing.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Cobbs and Tate are 2 of my favorite WR's in the draft.

My favorite WR, even though he isn't draft eligible this year, is AJ Brown from Ole Miss. He's only a sophomore but the kid can play.

 

[Ronin]

Jaleel Scott NMSU
6-5 190 pounds

 

[Cards Czar]

Smaller School players that have big play skills.

Jaleel Scott - NM St 6-5, 214, 16 catches of + 20yrds

James Gardner - Miami of OH - 6-3, 212, 17 catches of + 20yrds

Michael Gallup - Colorado St. - 6-1, 198, 17 catches of + 20yrds


Red Zone Skills

David Sills - W. Virginia - 6-3, 203, 9 Red Zone Touchdowns

Anthony Miller - Memphis - 5-11, 190, 6 Red Zone Touchdowns

 

[AZfaninMN]

Javon Wims Georgia
6-4 205. A lot of hand catches and uses his body well especially on back shoulder and 50/50 balls

 

[oaken1]

Jaleel Scott NMSU
6-5 190 pounds

hell if thats your guy lets see some tape on him!
Post it up

 

[Mitch]

Courtland Sutton 6-3, 215, SMU---1st round grade. Smooth, strong hands, good RAC numbers.

Allen Lazard, 6-4, 223, Iowa St.---strong, physical, excellent target in red zone. Probably a 3rd rounder.

 

[oaken1]

Courtland Sutton 6-3, 215, SMU---1st round grade. Smooth, strong hands, good RAC numbers.

Allen Lazard, 6-4, 223, Iowa St.---strong, physical, excellent target in red zone. Probably a 3rd rounder.

I kinda like sutton too,... but he is likely a first rounder so I ruled him out... maintaining hope we get a QB in round 1..
WR might be the deepest position in this draft... but not packed in with stellar producers. Do see lots of guys with massive amounts of potential and untapped talent.

IMO... Quarterback and WR are a must this draft... I would honestly pick two WR's in the first three or four rounds.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Courtland Sutton 6-3, 215, SMU---1st round grade. Smooth, strong hands, good RAC numbers.

Allen Lazard, 6-4, 223, Iowa St.---strong, physical, excellent target in red zone. Probably a 3rd rounder.

Really like Lazzard too.

 

[oaken1]

Lazard plays strong...too bad he is on the wrong Iowa team...

Lazard

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Courtland Sutton SMU..probably a first round pick,...and IMO the most NFL ready big WR in the draft.

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[Cards Czar]

hell if thats your guy lets see some tape on him!
Post it up

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[Harry]

Not sure I accept the premise and they have Agudosi. They don’t come much bigger. However I do like the mention of Tate. He played much of the season unable to lift one arm above his shoulder. I’m hoping he slips because I think he’s got low first round skill. I don’t think the Cards could take him before the third, so they need a break.

 

[oaken1]

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yup...that kid can catch

 

[Ronin]

Just checked the NMSU website and they list Scott at 6’6 215 pound

hell if thats your guy lets see some tape on him!
Post it up

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[RugbyMuffin]

I have been banging on that drum for a while now.

Now with Arians out, I am hoping that the next coach will bring in a possession receiver. The Cardinals went from having nothing but possession guys and needing speed, to having too much speed and not enough possession guys. A balance would be nice.

 

[oaken1]

Not sure I accept the premise and they have Agudosi. They don’t come much bigger. However I do like the mention of Tate. He played much of the season unable to lift one arm above his shoulder. I’m hoping he slips because I think he’s got low first round skill. I don’t think the Cards could take him before the third, so they need a break.

35 catches for 500 yards over a 4 year college career strongly indicates agudosi is a project, not a prospect.
His measurables are fantastic but it has never transferred to the field...

Logan Thomas had the same affliction...
Agudosi may some day work out but we cant just wait for that to happen

 

[Harry]

I was sort of half kidding about fixating on tall receivers. Washington probably only measures 5’10” or 5’11”. I do think Agudosi could be a fine red zone threat. You have to throw out the college numbers, the team just didn’t have a passing attack. Despite that the Cards saw enough raw skill to grab him and keep him.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I was sort of half kidding about fixating on tall receivers. Washington probably only measures 5’10” or 5’11”. I do think Agudosi could be a fine red zone threat. You have to throw out the college numbers, the team just didn’t have a passing attack. Despite that the Cards saw enough raw skill to grab him and keep him.

I am not kidding at all, and will happily take this ball and run with it.

Michael Floyd was GREAT, yes, GREAT at moving the sticks when he actually cared about football a little bit. He was the perfect role for that #2 possession receiver.

No Risk it, No Biscuit, only worked when you had more than a couple opportunities to "risk it". You have to check it down on 2nd & 7, and its 3rd & 5?

Floyd would usually get that 3rd down catch to move the chains, and now yet another set of downs that the opportunity may be there for that big chunk play.

Without Floyd, there was no possession receiver on the outside, and that really put a wrench in things. The Cardinals thought (and I did as well) Jaron Brown could play that role.....but he didn't

I think that type of receiver is needed in the NFL, and the Cardinals have not had one for some time.

Kid doesn't have to be a 1st round pick, it can be in the later rounds, but I think they are key for success in the NFL.

 

[Ohcrap75]

Equanimeous St Brown from Notre Dame would be the only other that I don't think was listed. 6'4 205. He has the speed to get deep. Might have highest ceiling of any Wr other than Ridley and Sutton.

 

[POISON]

Marcel Ateman Oklahoma State. 6'4 220 lbs. 59 catches 1156 yards 8 tds. Kid is a stud, reminds me somewhat of Fitz. Problem is he may go 1st round according to some mocks. Guy might be the best receiver in the draft going up to get the ball.

 

[oaken1]

EQ St.Brown

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Marcel Ateman

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[Southpaw]

Kalib Woods WR FAU 6/7 round

 

[MadCardDisease]

Grab Allen Robinson in Free Agency. He should be cheap coming off of an ACL injury on a prove it deal.

 

[phillycard]

I would have given several limbs for Devante Adams. I know he's locked down with GB, but admist all this talk of draftable WR's, he is exactly what I would want in AZ.

 

[WisconsinCard]

hell if thats your guy lets see some tape on him!
Post it up

I remember the catch he made against the Sun Devils.