Bills are trading QB Tyrod Taylor to the #Browns for a mid-round pick

[Cheesebeef]

If Tyrod Taylor is the reason the Browns don't draft a QB at 1, they are the Browns.

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FTFY

 

[oaken1]

Browns just traded for Jarvis Landry too...dudes are playing serious in cleveland

 

[moklerman]

Be curious to see if the Cards made on effort on Taylor--I've seen reports that they were in the mix and also comments that they weren't.

TT is a shorter version of Lamar Jackson at 6'1'. He made All-Pro is 2015 off his passing & running. Has a good TD to INT ratio but, like LJ, throws the flutter ball a couple of times a game. TT has a 5.5 yd/rush and has survived to tell about it.

Wonder if this means the Cards are going to pass on Lamar Jackson now that they passed when Taylor was being offered for trade by the Bills?

He made the pro bowl, but he wasn't an all-pro.

 

[mojorizen7]

I say Cousins or Draft QB.

Sign Bradford AND draft a QB.

 

[Gandhi]

I feel like the people saying "it won't happen" just don't want him, but the reality is, we're going to be bidders, and there's more than a slim chance it happens.

I completely get the same feeling, Solar, and I have had that feeling for a long time. The fact is that all the most respectable reporters are saying that Arizona is in the mix for Cousins, and lately Ian Rapoport has multiple times even argued that his sense is that the Cardinals have a very real chance to sign Cousins. Even the local reporters are not saying that Keim won’t target Cousins.

I would personally rather have Sam Bradford, but I think it would be easy to understand it if they did sign Cousins, and whatever they end up doing I think it is kind of delusional to think they won’t bid for Cousins.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I completely get the same feeling, Solar, and I have had that feeling for a long time. The fact is that all the most respectable reporters are saying that Arizona is in the mix for Cousins, and lately Ian Rapoport has multiple times even argued that his sense is that the Cardinals have a very real chance to sign Cousins. Even the local reporters are not saying that Keim won’t target Cousins.

I would personally rather have Sam Bradford, but I think it would be easy to understand it if they did sign Cousins, and whatever they end up doing I think it is kind of delusional to think they won’t bid for Cousins.

As Solar knows, I am not a huge fan of Cousins but I can imagine the Cardinal front office right now. They have been sitting in a room going over QBs in the draft for a while now, dirty and drinking day old coffee in paranoia because we have no quarterback as of yet, and they take a break and stare at a wall which happens to have a picture of Warner or a reference to Palmer and they go, "screw this draft crap, Cousins is legit... we find our QBs from other teams, that's who we are" lol

 

[Buckeye Cardinal]

Sign Bradford AND draft a QB.

Works for me. After all the smoke clears we should be able to draft a decent QB in round one

 

[Buckybird]

Works for me. After all the smoke clears we should be able to draft a decent QB in round one

Imo it’s going to take a trade by the Cards unless they want to reach for Rudolph or Jackson at 15. I don’t think either are worth that spot & imo would be a major reach!!!

But it would be soooo Cardinalesque to do the above, since the franchise has NEVER picked a stud QB in round 1! NEVER!!!

 

[Arz101]

Keim may not find his starting QB. his history tells he is not the type to reach for one.

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[moklerman]

Imo it’s going to take a trade by the Cards unless they want to reach for Rudolph or Jackson at 15. I don’t think either are worth that spot & imo would be a major reach!!!

But it would be soooo Cardinalesque to do the above, since the franchise has NEVER picked a stud QB in round 1! NEVER!!!

I don't think Rudolph would be the project that Jackson will be and if the Cardinals could draft him at #15 it wouldn't be the worst decision ever. I guess it just depends on who the target/acquire in FA. If it's Foles, I think Rudolph would have time to simmer a little and be ready in a year or two. If it's Bradford, he may be pressed into service sooner which might not work out so well.

 

[Ronin]

ESPN Stats & Info‏Verified account@ESPNStatsInfo 2m2 minutes ago
In 2017, the Browns had $16M in dead money on their cap dedicated to Brock Osweiler. In 2018, the Browns have acquired QB Tyrod Taylor, whose deal has a cash value for the coming season of $16M

 

[Chopper0080]

Rudolph may be an NFL level QB, but he will never be more than a fringe backup. He does nothing special, and is marginal in many areas. Taking him in round 1 would be akin to taking EJ Manuel in round 1.

 

[moklerman]

Rudolph may be an NFL level QB, but he will never be more than a fringe backup. He does nothing special, and is marginal in many areas. Taking him in round 1 would be akin to taking EJ Manuel in round 1.

I think you could say that about most QB's drafted and have a safe bet. Rudolph doesn't jump off the page but "could" he be another Romo/Garoppalo/just has "it" but wasn't highly recruited guy? I don't think that part of it can accurately be predicted so if he's got enough of the physical side of things, he'd be worthy of consideration.

EJ Manuel is the fear but Roethlisberger/Flacco are the hope(big guys from small schools).

 

[Chopper0080]

I think you could say that about most QB's drafted and have a safe bet. Rudolph doesn't jump off the page but "could" he be another Romo/Garoppalo/just has "it" but wasn't highly recruited guy? I don't think that part of it can accurately be predicted so if he's got enough of the physical side of things, he'd be worthy of consideration.

EJ Manuel is the fear but Roethlisberger/Flacco are the hope(big guys from small schools).

Rudolph is not the athlete that Romo / Garappolo / Wilson / Dak were. This is the issue. There is very little upside with Rudolph in terms of ability. He is Mike Glennon.

 

[GimmedaBall]

He made the pro bowl, but he wasn't an all-pro.

Thanks for the correction.

 

[moklerman]

Thanks for the correction.

I think that will go down as a good trivia question. Because that year the only all-pro QB was Cam Newton but wasn't that also when they started doing that bologna where Deion was picking one team and Irvin was picking the other? I mean, I thought there was an all-pro from each conference at every position each year but when they started that reality show version of the pro-bowl it changed it a bit?

 

[moklerman]

Rudolph is not the athlete that Romo / Garappolo / Wilson / Dak were. This is the issue. There is very little upside with Rudolph in terms of ability. He is Mike Glennon.

Sorry, wasn't comparing what type of QB Rudolph is to those other guys, just that they were small school guys that weren't highly considered, but had "it" on the field. Could see and play the game between the ears. I don't know if Rudolph has that or not but he has the size and physical tools so at least there's a chance that he could put them to use and become a starter.

 

[NJCardFan]

I still think they're a lot closer than their record would indicate. At least personnel-wise. I'm not sold on Hue Jackson as an OC, much less a HC, at all. While these recent moves would get my stamp of approval for the most part, replacing the HC and getting a better QB than Taylor would have been moves to make their offseason even more impressive. Dumping Kizer was a nice addition by subtraction but they still have a bunch of mediocrity at QB. Taylor, Kessler and Hogan is about as weak as it gets for a QB corps IMO.

I'm just not much of a Taylor fan and I don't think he's going to suddenly blossom under Jackson/Haley. If he reproduces what he was doing in Buffalo, that's not really much. Really kind of surprised they didn't go after McCarron or a better FA.

Some think they're going to draft a QB. I saw a post trade mock with them taking Barkley #1 and Darnold at #4.

 

[Minski]

We need to go in hard for Norwell as that would make Giants take OG with the second pick possibly?? Forcing QBs down a notch

 

[moklerman]

Some think they're going to draft a QB. I saw a post trade mock with them taking Barkley #1 and Darnold at #4.

I won't be surprised if they still take a QB and if Darnold is still there at #4, they'd win the offseason. My guess is that he won't be and they'll be trading down from #4 and garnering more picks and taking more of a project at QB to groom him.

 

[oaken1]

Browns also traded away Danny Shelton who was their primary run stopper in the middle...seems that increases the chance they take a guy like Vita Vea to replace shelton... not sure if they have another big man to clog the middle but Vea is a nice upgrade over shelton

 

[NJCardFan]

I won't be surprised if they still take a QB and if Darnold is still there at #4, they'd win the offseason. My guess is that he won't be and they'll be trading down from #4 and garnering more picks and taking more of a project at QB to groom him.

Darnold has no reason not to be there unless the Giants trade down or take a QB which is possible.

 

[GimmedaBall]

I think that will go down as a good trivia question. Because that year the only all-pro QB was Cam Newton but wasn't that also when they started doing that bologna where Deion was picking one team and Irvin was picking the other? I mean, I thought there was an all-pro from each conference at every position each year but when they started that reality show version of the pro-bowl it changed it a bit?

Actually, I got sloppy with my description of Taylor and called him 'All-Pro' instead of 'Pro-Bowl' player.

The best description I've read so far on the distinction:

An all-pro is a player who is determined to be the best at their position as voted on by a selected panel of sports writers.

A pro-bowl player is a player who appears in the pro bowl at the end of the season. To determine the pro-bowl roster there are three sets of voters each set of voters gets an equal say in the pro-bowl roster. The three sets of voters are: the fans, the players, and the coaches.

http://www.answers.com/Q/What_the_difference_between_Pro_Bowl_and_All_Pro

The 'ALL-PRO' designation goes back a long way in the NFL (1920)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Pro

The 'PRO-BOWL' designation got started with the merger of the AFC and NFC as kind of a all-star game pitting the two rival conferences.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Bowl

Things really get messed up when a guy makes the 'ALL-PRO' designation (supposedly a tougher recognition to earn) but doesn't get the 'PRO-BOWL' recognition.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...t-team-all-pros-were-snubbed-by-the-pro-bowl/

(PS Nothing to do with the schoolyard pick-a-team and ignore the AFC-NFC designation since all the guys in the game were selected for the PRO-BOWL)

 

[moklerman]

Darnold has no reason not to be there unless the Giants trade down or take a QB which is possible.

Well, if Cleveland takes Barkley, I think it will be unlikely for Darnold to slip past 2 & 3. While I don't think there is an obvious #1 QB in the bunch, I think he's the closest thing to it and between the teams that are actually at 2 & 3 and the teams willing to move up to 2 & 3, Darnold won't last until 4.