Bills will announce release of Bledsoe

[Rocco]

The record of the teams the Bills played in that 9 game streak and beat is 55-89. That includes wins over SF, Miami (twice) and Cleveland.

That is four wins over terrible teams. That is why you put their winning streak in persepective.

And no, beating teams like the 8-8 St Louis who stumbled into the playoffs because of how weak the NFC doesn't impress me.

Wow, they beat SF? Imagine that.... wish we could say that.

 

[vini]

bledsoe is a dinosaur, he's done , he can't quarterback his way out of a paper bag. if you want a slow stationary josh McCown then he is your man. i mean come on the bills are dropping him for j.p.losman. i use to be on the bledsoe bandwagon when he was in new england with my patriots. even up until the first super bowl win for brady but after he went to the bills you could tell he was done. this guy needs perfect blocking, a 1,200 yard back, two great wr and a great te to be a good qb . translation he needs everyone around him to be perfect to be effective. if i'm the cards i'd rather have a guy like garcia, not johnson or warner either. get hasslebeck or garcia or stick with josh in that order.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The record of the teams the Bills played in that 9 game streak and beat is 55-89. That includes wins over SF, Miami (twice) and Cleveland.

That is four wins over terrible teams. That is why you put their winning streak in persepective.

And no, beating teams like the 8-8 St Louis who stumbled into the playoffs because of how weak the NFC doesn't impress me.

so - you just ignore the fact that EVERY FREAKING TEAM IN THE LEAGUE has winning streaks that include bad teams? That is usually what makes winning streaks - a combo of a light schedule and being able to knock off a couple playoff teams in your way - do you not see that? Are you kidding? I already gave you the example of similar playoff teams listed above - Denver, Indy, Atlanta - none of them throughout the entire SEASON beat more than three playoff teams.

I'm still waiting to see where apparently I said the winning streak WAS BECAUSE of Bledsoe.

 

[Rocco]

I'm serious here - does anyone know the last Cardinal qb to throw 20 or more tds in season? I honestly can't remember. Rosenbach maybe?

 

[az jam]

I think he would do fine with the Cards but IMO he will end up in Dallas with Parcells.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The record of the teams the Bills played in that 9 game streak and beat is 55-89.

the record of the teams of that three playoff teams beat:

Denver: 56-88
The Jets: 58-86
Colts: 57-71
Falcons: 61-83

Do you just completely discount those teams' entire season's because of the schedules they played as well?

 

[Renz]

I'm serious here - does anyone know the last Cardinal qb to throw 20 or more tds in season? I honestly can't remember. Rosenbach maybe?

Neil Lomax had 24 TD passes in 1987. I think that was the last time a Cardinal QB had 20 or more. Pretty sad.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Neil Lomax had 24 TD passes in 1987. I think that was the last time a Cardinal QB had 20 or more. Pretty sad.

wow. I hate this board!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Nidan - or Skkorp - do I have to go on a four letter word laced tirade to get banned - or can you guys just do it for me? I'm being serious here - please ban me from the Cards board - thanks!

 

[Redsz]

did I argue ANYWHERE that is was? I was merely correcting a falsity in your argument. And during that streak - they weren't just beating people - they were PULVERIZING people - me thinks that in wins - while AVERAGING 34 points a game - they weren't doing all that IN SPITE OF HIM - the QB has to be playing at least somewhat of a role for a team to be consistently putting up those kind of numbers week in and week out.

As I said several posts back the Bills Special Teams and Defense where scoring alot of points. That is the reason they scored like 34 points a game. Not to mention the tear that Willis McGahee went on having god knows how many 100 yd games.

Over the 9 game streak here is the scoring breakdown:

Bills Special Teams: 4 TD plays. 21 Field Goals.

Bills Defense: 2 TD plays. 1 Saftey.

Running Back: 12 TD runs.

See what I'm getting at?

 

[Rocco]

Neil Lomax had 24 TD passes in 1987. I think that was the last time a Cardinal QB had 20 or more. Pretty sad.

I knew it was going to be bad but not that bad.

Any Packer fan would never believe it. Brett Farve has thrown for 20 or more for something like 12 years in a row now.

Bring on Bledsoe! Just based on last year, when some of these guys think he stunk, he would still be our most productive qb since Lomax.

 

[Redsz]

I'm still waiting to see where apparently I said the winning streak WAS BECAUSE of Bledsoe.

I have no idea where you got that. Where did I say that you DID SAY THAT?

That comment was directed at anybody who thought the Bills 9 game streak was because of Drew Bledsoe.

 

[Cheesebeef]

As I said several posts back the Bills Special Teams and Defense where scoring alot of points. That is the reason they scored like 34 points a game. Not to mention the tear that Willis McGahee went on having god knows how many 100 yd games.

Over the 9 game streak here is the scoring breakdown:

Bills Special Teams: 4 TD plays. 21 Field Goals.

Bills Defense: 2 TD plays. 1 Saftey.

Running Back: 12 TD runs.

See what I'm getting at?

Sure - I get that - but tell me - why did you leave this out:

QB: 15 TD Passes

Seems to me THE ENTIRE TEAM was hitting on all cylinders - I mean - did they get 21 FGs by kicking 70 yarders or did Drew, Willis and the rest of the team have anything to do with that? Hell Drew even had more TDs than the running backs if you just want to throw stats up there and protected the ball pretty well, with just 5 picks in that span.

I look at it this way - we are close to having a Bills like D - we create turnovers by the bunch and have the best red zone D in the league, we will - through the draft or FA get a RB to provide us with a running game and we already have better WR weapons than Buffalo did. So assuming Drew can be good enough to play great against the bad teams - which is really how any NFL playoff team becomes a playoff team and is able to win three or four other games against playoff teams, why couldn't he do it here? Especially considering DG's track record of elevating players who's career's looked to be on the downward slope?

See what I'm getting at?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Seattle was 9-7, St Louis 8-8 and Cincy was 8-8. I'll conceede (sp?) the Jets. But it's not an impressive streak. And that streak was not because of Drew Bledsoe.

you're intimating here - by quoting my post - that I was saying that the streak was because of Bledsoe - were you not - if not - nevermind.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I'm serious here - does anyone know the last Cardinal qb to throw 20 or more tds in season? I honestly can't remember. Rosenbach maybe?

Neil Lomax in 1988:

Neil Lomax | 14 | 255 443 57.6 3395 7.7 20 11 | 17 55 1

 

[DieHardFromMO]

Drew Bledsoe or Josh McCown.

Give me Drew Bledsoe every time.

By the way, why is Shaun King still on the Cardinals roster?

 

[Redsz]

Sure - I get that - but tell me - why did you leave this out:

QB: 15 TD Passes

I didn't leave it out. My whole point was to illustrate the Bills Special Teams, Defense and RB's scoring alot of points.

Seems to me THE ENTIRE TEAM was hitting on all cylinders - I mean - did they get 21 FGs by kicking 70 yarders or did Drew, Willis and the rest of the team have anything to do with that? Hell Drew even had more TDs than the running backs if you just want to throw stats up there and protected the ball pretty well, with just 5 picks in that span.

Except that this streak is the exception to Bledsoe's tenure in Buffalo. He hasn't been anywhere near that good for the previous two years with Buffalo.

Those stats are inflated because he faced teams like Miami, Cleveland and SF during that streak. And yes, the Bills did win those games, as they should do. But beating up on 4-12 teams to get half of your wins, that sucks.

I look at it this way - we are close to having a Bills like D - we create turnovers by the bunch and have the best red zone D in the league, we will - through the draft or FA get a RB to provide us with a running game and we already have better WR weapons than Buffalo did. So assuming Drew can be good enough to play great against the bad teams - which is really how any NFL playoff team becomes a playoff team and is able to win three or four other games against playoff teams, why couldn't he do it here? Especially considering DG's track record of elevating players who's career's looked to be on the downward slope?

That's the whole problem. Bledsoe has had the running game, the defense etc for years and still hasn't been to the playoffs. Why would it be any different here?

 

[Cheesebeef]

And yes, the Bills did win those games, as they should do. But beating up on 4-12 teams to get half of your wins, that sucks.



That's the whole problem. Bledsoe has had the running game, the defense etc for years and still hasn't been to the playoffs. Why would it be any different here?

as to point number one - why haven't you acknowledge that ebating up the bad teams IS THE KEY TO MAKING THE PLAYOFFS - as shown by the previous examples. You have to beat the teams you are suppsoed to beat - unlike losing to an otherwise COMPLETELY DEFEATED club - get it - you win the game your'e supposed to win - in this era of the NFL and get 4 wins against playoff teams - or in some cases- even just THREE wins - and boom - you're in the playoffs.

As far as Bledsoe never producing like he did last year - uh- are you just forgetting the Bledsoe of 2002 - who threw for over 4000 yards and 24 TDs and 15 picks - while having to play complete shootouts at the beginning of the season because the defense was terrible - giving up 37, 39, 28, 27, 49 and 24 points in their first 6 games? As for not making the playoffs - playing the divison in which the Super Bowl Champions, the Jets- a perenial playoff team, the Dolphins (who until this year were a perenial 10 w/playoff team) makes it a little tougher - as opposed to our division and conference - which admittedly - yoyu said was and will likely continue to be pathetic.

I also think this because DG has a track record of taking former GREAT talent, dusting them off and having them flourish for a year.

I'm not screaming for the guy or anything - I just think if DG wanted him - I'd be totally cool with bringing him in. I think he and Josh would be a nice mix to duke it out come training camp - that's all - don't want to hand anything to anyone on a silver platter - neither of those guys deserve that.

 

[AzCards21]

You must beat the teams you're supposed to to make the playoffs. You must also suck one or two out of your arse.

I wouldn't say Bledsoe could easily win the job but would have no problem with him competing since DG actually seems to work that way.

Bledsoe or McCown on opening day? I would feel more comfortable knowing there was competition.

 

[seesred]

Someone said not to long back that all he needs is a Rb to get 1200 yards etc, etc; It's true all winning teams need that. The Bills team in horrid weather for a QB had a surprisingly succesfull season. Didn't miss the playoffs by much. You can't compare Bledsoe's are to Garcia. Garcia never had an arm, Bledsoe still has a great arm. If had to pick one I'd pick withut blinking Bledsoe. Now that does not mean I truly want either one.

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[Russ Smith]

As far as Bledsoe never producing like he did last year - uh- are you just forgetting the Bledsoe of 2002 - who threw for over 4000 yards and 24 TDs and 15 picks - while having to play complete shootouts at the beginning of the season because the defense was terrible - giving up 37, 39, 28, 27, 49 and 24 points in their first 6 games? As for not making the playoffs - playing the divison in which the Super Bowl Champions, the Jets- a perenial playoff team, the Dolphins (who until this year were a perenial 10 w/playoff team) makes it a little tougher - as opposed to our division and conference - which admittedly - yoyu said was and will likely continue to be pathetic.

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Yep, I recall that year complaining in the offseason we should have made a bid for Bledsoe since it was obvious Jake was not going to be back. Most seemed to think me nuts, then Bledsoe went nuts and made me look smart.

One thing people always forget on Bledsoe(and Brady for that matter) is that he's played his whole career in bad weather stadiums and when the weather turns bad, it's much tougher to throw the ball(like our game there this year). Can you imagine his career stats if he played in a dome and didn't have to worry about wind and rain and snow for 3-4 games every year?

As for the statue stuff which is worse, 37 sacks in 450 attempts, or 31 in 408 attempts by a guy who runs a sub 4.6 40? Drew fumbles too much too, just like Josh, but he has had at least 20 TD passes 6 times in his career.

By all means not a long term solution but it's not like we have one of those on the roster for sure anyways. To me this is so much like Cunningham and Jeff George we'd be crazy not to at least look into signing him.

 

[Redsz]

as to point number one - why haven't you acknowledge that ebating up the bad teams IS THE KEY TO MAKING THE PLAYOFFS - as shown by the previous examples. You have to beat the teams you are suppsoed to beat - unlike losing to an otherwise COMPLETELY DEFEATED club - get it - you win the game your'e supposed to win - in this era of the NFL and get 4 wins against playoff teams - or in some cases- even just THREE wins - and boom - you're in the playoffs.

I already acknowledged that you have to beat the bad teams. It's in the very post you quoted. However, when you are 8-6 and half you wins come from teams with 4-12 and 2-14 records that does not point to a quality overall ball club.

What should throw up a red flag are games like the Steelers where Bledsoe wasn't effective against 2nd and 3rd stringers.

As far as Bledsoe never producing like he did last year - uh- are you just forgetting the Bledsoe of 2002 - who threw for over 4000 yards and 24 TDs and 15 picks - while having to play complete shootouts at the beginning of the season because the defense was terrible - giving up 37, 39, 28, 27, 49 and 24 points in their first 6 games?

So he had a big year because he threw the ball over 600 times? That's what you call padding your stats.

As for not making the playoffs - playing the divison in which the Super Bowl Champions, the Jets- a perenial playoff team, the Dolphins (who until this year were a perenial 10 w/playoff team) makes it a little tougher - as opposed to our division and conference - which admittedly - yoyu said was and will likely continue to be pathetic.

It certainly is tougher. Of course our division won't be so bad when we are on top.

I also think this because DG has a track record of taking former GREAT talent, dusting them off and having them flourish for a year.

I'm not screaming for the guy or anything - I just think if DG wanted him - I'd be totally cool with bringing him in. I think he and Josh would be a nice mix to duke it out come training camp - that's all - don't want to hand anything to anyone on a silver platter - neither of those guys deserve that.

I have seen the guy play for the last three years in Buffalo. I think he is done. And I think alot of fans in Buffalo will say the same thing if asked.

If he tears it up on another team, then I will gladly put my foot in my mouth. But I don't see it happening.

If Green brought him in. Then so be it. I would support him like every other Cardinal.

 

[Rocco]

Neil Lomax in 1988:

Neil Lomax | 14 | 255 443 57.6 3395 7.7 20 11 | 17 55 1

thanks - where did you find this?

oops, found it, never mind.

 

[Duckjake]

Neil Lomax in 1988:

Neil Lomax | 14 | 255 443 57.6 3395 7.7 20 11 | 17 55 1

Plummer threw for 20+... for the Broncos. Chandler 20+....for Atlanta. And the most amazing the 36 TD's Buerlein threw...for Carolina.

Other than Lomax who did it 4 times only once in the last 40 years (Hart in '74) has a Cardinal QB thrown for 20+ TD's in a season. Even worse you have to go back to Lomax to find a QB who even threw more TD's than interceptions as a Cardinal.

No wonder cheese wants to be banned.

 

[Rocco]

Plummer threw for 20+... for the Broncos. Chandler 20+....for Atlanta. And the most amazing the 36 TD's Buerlein threw...for Carolina.

Other than Lomax who did it 4 times only once in the last 40 years (Hart in '74) has a Cardinal QB thrown for 20+ TD's in a season. Even worse you have to go back to Lomax to find a QB who even threw more TD's than interceptions as a Cardinal.

No wonder cheese wants to be banned.

In today's game it's a crime to not have had a 20 td season in such a long time. Heck, even Aaron Brooks does it on a annual basis. Farve seems to throw 30 or more every year.

 

[Rats]

Pssssttt.........McCown will throw for 20 touchdowns this next season( said while running to hide from the onslaught, under a huge sand pile )