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All I will say is this. Kliff's deficiencies are game management and team discipline (leadership). There is 100% zero evidence that Kellen Moore would solve either of those issues. There is 100% evidence that we would have to start over from rock bottom with a new scheme when we have a inexperienced QB who is still struggling with the nuances of the NFL QB position. Giving him a new scheme to learn is not going to speed up that process.
It won't speed up the process, but if KK can't develop him, we need someone who can. He might be set back slightly at first, but the greater developmental gains would far outweigh that. This is based on my opinion that KK can't get the best out of KM. Someone needs to be able to get through to him that he can't just rely on his vaunted "cognitive ability" and has to put in all of the work, that he has to change certain aspects of his game. I don't think KK can effectively criticize him, constructively, and prod him to be better. If he could, we wouldn't see constant repeats of stupid mistakes.
Alternate thought - what if KK IS getting the best out of KM, and until KM matures, this is who he is, no matter who the coach is?
It's possible. I'm trying not to go that dark, because that means we picked a lazy jackass at #1 who will probably never realize his potential, whose ceiling is a 1 and done in the playoffs, or somewhere thereabouts. So, I'm going with the other option
At least he's not Josh RosenIt's possible. I'm trying not to go that dark, because that means we picked a lazy jackass at #1 who will probably never realize his potential, whose ceiling is a 1 and done in the playoffs, or somewhere thereabouts. So, I'm going with the other option
But it's not. Kellen Moore has OC experience. Many failed coordinators weren't up to the task of being a HC.
I don't think Murray is lazy. I think he is a bit arrogant in believing he doesn't need the film study.It's possible. I'm trying not to go that dark, because that means we picked a lazy jackass at #1 who will probably never realize his potential, whose ceiling is a 1 and done in the playoffs, or somewhere thereabouts. So, I'm going with the other option
I think we have seen development with Kyler from what he was when drafted to what he is now. Outside of the two minute stuff, Kyler has shown that he has been taught how to do almost everything with glimpses. Now he just has to do it. That is on him. He has to believe that he needs to be better. You aren't bringing in a coach who is going to be allowed to bench him. So, at this rate, you kinda have to keep reinforcing what needs to happen until he recognizes that the consistency and improvement have to come from him.
Kyler isn't lazy, he is just arrogant. He is the guy who will go away from guys who make mistakes rather than going back to them to give them another shot. He is the guy who will brush off his error because AJ Green should have caught it or Jones got a penalty. Until that changes, he is not going to recognize how much more work it takes to be a great NFL QB.It's possible. I'm trying not to go that dark, because that means we picked a lazy jackass at #1 who will probably never realize his potential, whose ceiling is a 1 and done in the playoffs, or somewhere thereabouts. So, I'm going with the other option
Yep. We've seen Murray step up in the pocket and delivery strikes to third reads. We've seen him audible into huge plays when he saw something in his presnap reads. What I think I see, is that when things don't start out well in a game, that he mentally goes into a shell and starts to try and make plays on pure instinct. He needs to learn that when things aren't going well, he needs to be more clinical, more decisive.
They are really different, which is why I don't think using his college record against him is really fitting.
Managing Kyler is probably fairly difficult and probably takes a person that will allow him to be who he is, but gently guide him to the right solution. I doubt a Belichick would do well with Kyler.
Let’s remember that forceful doesn’t have to mean jerk and I think a lot of people are conflating the two. And in my experience (which is a TON - we have a very large population of young smart men and women working for us) the best of the best seem to have responded the best, and achieved the most, with a stronger hand guiding them than with a lax attitude (and we’ve had both types of managers). Those are the ones that have become superstars for us.
Do you trust Michael Bidwill and Steve Keim to identify this kind of person?
No but that’s a spurious question because we are always going to have bidwill doing that identification. There’s always a chance that the blind squirrel finds the nut if they turn over enough leaves.
Kind of. It's part of my risk calculus around Kingsbury, though. The Cards are only going to be good if the optimize the performance of Kyler Murray. We have a guy who can unlock significant portions of Kyler's ability -- albeit inconsistently.
I get that. Though I’m a big critic of kliff’s I’m okay with another season. If by season 4 he hasn’t fully convinced me I’ll likely be out 100%. He’s obviously been better than a lot of dreck we’ve had in the past, but I’m just never going to be one to settle for “good enough.” I want to be a legit contender. And I’m willing to take chances to get there.
Good lord, this is weak sauce. So KK was more suited to being an NFL HEAD COACH because he...had college coaching experience that is absolutely nothing like being a head coach in the NFL? So KM is less suited for the role of NFL head coach than KK because he never coached in college? Your argument is laughable.
Well, to be honest we haven’t seen 11 wins in a while.
Or he’s familiar and they get along so he gets a free two day vacay to Miami to get the club past the Rooney rule.
