Black Monday. 2025

[Chopper0080]

Jacksonville is moderately attractive outside of the GM.

Saints have a lot of issues but a good owner.

Jets and Bears are a rough pill.

LV isn't bad except for the QB situation.

Weird that NE is the best spot in theory.

 

[phillycard]

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Another year, another new defensive coordinator will be coming for the 49ers. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-nick-sorensen-wont-return-as-49ers-defensive-coordinator

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Wow the deflection of Shanahan's blame in the SF downfall is real. Guess us putting a 40 piece on them was the last straw. Teflon Kyle is what I'm gonna start calling him.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Jacksonville is moderately attractive outside of the GM.

Saints have a lot of issues but a good owner.

Jets and Bears are a rough pill.

LV isn't bad except for the QB situation.

Weird that NE is the best spot in theory.

I would say the Bears are in the best spot roster/cap wise. However the ownership issue has always been a problem. Ownership is the issue with LV and the Jets as well.

 

[slanidrac16]

I would say the Bears are in the best spot roster/cap wise. However the ownership issue has always been a problem. Ownership is the issue with LV and the Jets as well.

Vrabel would be a very good fit for the Bears.

 

[kerouac9]

I would say the Bears are in the best spot roster/cap wise. However the ownership issue has always been a problem. Ownership is the issue with LV and the Jets as well.

What is the problem with the Bears ownership? I don't think the McCaskey family is super-involved. I think the issue is there's zero alignment on timing between the QB, HC, and GM.

Lovie Smith was there forever and successful. Matt Nagy was clearly in over his head and got four years. The Bears are a great job.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

What is the problem with the Bears ownership? I don't think the McCaskey family is super-involved. I think the issue is there's zero alignment on timing between the QB, HC, and GM.

Lovie Smith was there forever and successful. Matt Nagy was clearly in over his head and got four years. The Bears are a great job.

They fired Lovie Smith after a 10-6 season, too. After 9 years, 3 playoff appearances, 1 Super Bowl appearance, and 1 Coach of the Year award.

Some sports host the other day said if any coach led the Bears to a similar record now, they would throw him a parade.

 

[Chopper0080]

What is the problem with the Bears ownership? I don't think the McCaskey family is super-involved. I think the issue is there's zero alignment on timing between the QB, HC, and GM.

Lovie Smith was there forever and successful. Matt Nagy was clearly in over his head and got four years. The Bears are a great job.

This, and you can add owner to the mix. If I am a potential MC, I don't want a potential lame duck GM when I am already inheriting a questionable QB. I agree Bears ownership is ok. Fan base is great. But if I am taking on Caleb Williams, I want the current GM fired.

 

[PDXChris]

They fired Lovie Smith after a 10-6 season, too. After 9 years, 3 playoff appearances, 1 Super Bowl appearance, and 1 Coach of the Year award.

Some sports host the other day said if any coach led the Bears to a similar record now, they would throw him a parade.

They fired him for missing the playoffs 4 of 5 years, staring 7-1 to finish 3-5 down the stretch for another 3rd place finish. Love had more 3rd place finishes than 1st or 2nd. Leadership wanted to get more on offense after extending Cutler to a $126 million deal and felt Lovie wasn't focused enough on offense. Unfortunately, they hired Marc Trestmen over Bruce Arians, the second best coach from the 2013 class. Andy Ried obviously #1.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

They fired him for missing the playoffs 4 of 5 years, staring 7-1 to finish 3-5 down the stretch for another 3rd place finish. Love had more 3rd place finishes than 1st or 2nd. Leadership wanted to get more on offense after extending Cutler to a $126 million deal and felt Lovie wasn't focused enough on offense. Unfortunately, they hired Marc Trestmen over Bruce Arians, the second best coach from the 2013 class. Andy Ried obviously #1.

Actually, 5 out of 6 years.

 

[kerouac9]

They fired him for missing the playoffs 4 of 5 years, staring 7-1 to finish 3-5 down the stretch for another 3rd place finish. Love had more 3rd place finishes than 1st or 2nd. Leadership wanted to get more on offense after extending Cutler to a $126 million deal and felt Lovie wasn't focused enough on offense. Unfortunately, they hired Marc Trestmen over Bruce Arians, the second best coach from the 2013 class. Andy Ried obviously #1.

I mean he went 10-6 and missed the playoffs. I don't know what else he was supposed to do there. They'd had one losing season in the previous five years; two losing seasons after Smith's first year.

I remember the feeling being that Lovie's stuff wasn't working anymore. Sure seems like that was a mistake in retrospect. Also, it was 13 years ago; maybe they've learned some lessons. He probably seems like Mike Tomlin in retrospect.

 

[Dback Jon]

They fired Lovie Smith after a 10-6 season, too. After 9 years, 3 playoff appearances, 1 Super Bowl appearance, and 1 Coach of the Year award.

Some sports host the other day said if any coach led the Bears to a similar record now, they would throw him a parade.

They did Lovie wrong

 

[PDXChris]

Actually, 5 out of 6 years.

Even worse, so I'm not sure why you framed him as a good coach getting fired.

 

[PDXChris]

I mean he went 10-6 and missed the playoffs. I don't know what else he was supposed to do there. They'd had one losing season in the previous five years; two losing seasons after Smith's first year.

I remember the feeling being that Lovie's stuff wasn't working anymore. Sure seems like that was a mistake in retrospect. Also, it was 13 years ago; maybe they've learned some lessons. He probably seems like Mike Tomlin in retrospect.

He started 7-1 and finished 3-5. He just had to finish 4-4, that's what he needed to do. And as Brian pointed out, missing the playoffs 5 of 6 years is bad,.especially when they mustered 11 points and game in those 5 loses with thier $126 million QB they extended.

Looking back, extending Culter was the issue, but Lovie had a bad run there at the end too.

 

[TheCardFan]

I think the Jets have the best roster hands down - they just need a QB.

 

[kerouac9]

He started 7-1 and finished 3-5. He just had to finish 4-4, that's what he needed to do. And as Brian pointed out, missing the playoffs 5 of 6 years is bad,.especially when they mustered 11 points and game in those 5 loses with thier $126 million QB they extended.

Looking back, extending Culter was the issue, but Lovie had a bad run there at the end too.

In that eight game run, here was the margin:

-7
-25
+18
-6
-7
-8
+15
+2

Finished the season on a two-game win streak and lost four of those 5 games by a TD. The 2012 Bears finished with a +98 scoring differential. That defense was wicked good -- 20% of their opponents' drives ended in a turnover(!!).

For comparison, 9.6% of the 2024 Arizona Cardinals' opponents' drives ended in a turnover.

 

[Metcalf Rules]

The Bears are the same team that once said they were hiring Dave McGinnis, and told everyone, except Dave McGinnis!

Dave McGinnis Once Was Bears Head Coach -- And Didn't Know It

The current Titans radio color analyst's pursuit of a 'dream job' turned into a nightmare due to numerous missteps by the venerable franchise.

www.si.com

 

[MadCardDisease]

This, and you can add owner to the mix. If I am a potential MC, I don't want a potential lame duck GM when I am already inheriting a questionable QB. I agree Bears ownership is ok. Fan base is great. But if I am taking on Caleb Williams, I want the current GM fired.

What is a MC? I've been racking my brain over it.

 

[oaken1]

Curious if New England goes Ben Johnson or Vrabel. My hunch is Vrabel. That said, Vrabel gonna have options.

I would really like to see Vrabel in Vegas...he would be a really good fit in the AFCWest

 

[Chopper0080]

What is a MC? I've been racking my brain over it.

Typo. HC.

 

[pemory09]

I think the Jets have the best roster hands down - they just need a QB.

And there’s that other little problem—they’re the Jets.

 

[Chopper0080]

I think the Jets have the best roster hands down - they just need a QB.

This is an issue that gets many coaches fired.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Typo. HC.

I thought so but M is far enough from H that I wasn't sure.

 

[PDXChris]

In that eight game run, here was the margin:

-7
-25
+18
-6
-7
-8
+15
+2

Finished the season on a two-game win streak and lost four of those 5 games by a TD. The 2012 Bears finished with a +98 scoring differential. That defense was wicked good -- 20% of their opponents' drives ended in a turnover(!!).

For comparison, 9.6% of the 2024 Arizona Cardinals' opponents' drives ended in a turnover.

Defense was never a problem and was indeed wicked good. Had they hired Bruce instead of Tresman, they might have won a SB.

Jay Cutler
Brandon Marshall
Matt Forte
Alshon Jeffery
Earl Bennett as a #3

Maybe the bigger issue was the revolving door of OCs there at the end, along with Martz pushing for Greg Olsen to be traded because he didn't like TEs or some stupid reason.

Terry Shea 1 year
Ron Turner - 5 years (also OC there from 93-96)
Mike Martz - 2 years
Mike Tice - 1 year

 

[Redsz]

More on Mayo being let go.

Aparently, after losing to the us he went and played cards with the players on the plane as his assistant coaches broke down film. Big oof.

 

[blindseyed]

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Defense was never a problem and was indeed wicked good. Had they hired Bruce instead of Tresman, they might have won a SB.

Jay Culter
Brandon Marshall
Matt Forte
Alshon Jeffery
Earl Bennett as a #3

Maybe the bigger issue was the revolving door of OCs there at the end, along with Martz pushing for Greg Olsen to be traded because he didn't like TEs or some stupid reason.

Terry Shea 1 year
Ron Turner - 5 years (also OC there from 93-96)
Mike Martz - 2 years
Mike Tice - 1 year

I think you mean Jay Cutler?