Blaine Gabbert: Officially handed the keys to the car (dinals)

[clif]

I guess there is some part of 'With our o-line' that you did not grasp ? What part was that ? Is CP a better passer ? Yes. Is he more experienced and given an extra couple of seconds (which he won't get) a better decision maker ? Yes.

He will also get sacked approx 3 times (probably more) per game than Gabbert.
He will get far more 'pressures' than Gabbert, who will already be out of the way (called 'happy feet' and 'panicking' by the loons that have never seen a QB who can move and get the heck out of the way, at least any Cardinal QB, guess they never watched Plummer).

And lastly, Gabbert will run for 1st downs. We have not seen and have not had, that capability in years in Arizona, even though, in the modern NFL, it is a necessity. Even geriatric BA is seeing the value.

In the 70s and 80s (maybe the 90s), CP would wipe the floor with Gabbert. This is now, and CP needs to go (much as I love the guy and think he is one of the toughest to play the game, you can;t be an immobile QB in AZ without being that), his era is gone.

AND
"Even on his best days Blaine Gabbert is a 55% passer. "
have you gone to the Trump International School of Fake News ?
against Houston 64.7
against Jags 57.9 (against the # 1 defense in the NFL, which pretty much throttled Fitz)

I think if you look, you'll see most QBs against the Jags had WORSE percentages... but, yeah, let's all stay stoic and ready for the whip to come down... some of us, enjoy hope (hope with a rationale behind it), you know ?

Are you his agent? I have not seen this level of pimiping in a long time. Gabbert is ok. Let it play our before making such crazy assertions. We’re 2 games in.

 

[clif]

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[82CardsGrad]

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I must be missing your point as in each instance there was very clear pressure that forced Gabbert to move around in and out of the pocket...

 

[clif]

I must be missing your point as in each instance there was very clear pressure that forced Gabbert to move around in and out of the pocket...

Not in the NFL. In these clips it shows there is not enough pressure to demand that he run. He can step up or around but not run.

 

[pmacLean]

Are you his agent? I have not seen this level of pimiping in a long time. Gabbert is ok. Let it play our before making such crazy assertions. We’re 2 games in.

Sorry. Didn't realize you were one of the 'professional' fans. Can't get excited unless the team is 9 and 2 at this point. Can't get excited if the QB is not getting a weekly QBR of ONE EFFING THOUSAND. Can't get excited unless the defense leads the NFL in every category and has since day one. Yeah, I get it, you are a 'professional' fan, I tip my hat to you.

 

[pmacLean]

Not in the NFL. In these clips it shows there is not enough pressure to demand that he run. He can step up or around but not run.

Clip One ... if he steps up he is going straight into a collapsing pocket moving back at him, steps around and one of those 2 players coming around each end nails him ... he did exactly the right thing (which our other QBs could not do and would have been sacked)

Clip Two ... again the pocket is collapsing ... so he steps around as you advocate, sees a hole and gets positive yardage (again, any other Card QB on the roster is now sacked)

Clip Three... chaos, the pocket is complete chaos with D players going in 3 different directions. There is NOWHERE to go.

But wait, it was Andy Benoit who said all that and took 3 clips that illustrate nothing of what he was saying, but, he is an 'NFL' analyst, so he must really know what he is doing. LOL.

 

[clif]

Sorry. Didn't realize you were one of the 'professional' fans. Can't get excited unless the team is 9 and 2 at this point. Can't get excited if the QB is not getting a weekly QBR of ONE EFFING THOUSAND. Can't get excited unless the defense leads the NFL in every category and has since day one. Yeah, I get it, you are a 'professional' fan, I tip my hat to you.

Lmao. Ok bud. You seem to want to agitate.

Let’s be real. You are one of maybe two other people (Gabberts mom and his agent) who would think he is a better player than CP. I guess it doesn’t matter to you when he misses open receivers and throws the ball high or runs out of a clean pocket.

I think he has played pretty decently but the silliness of saying he’s the best QB on the team is pure bull.

 

[clif]

Clip One ... if he steps up he is going straight into a collapsing pocket moving back at him, steps around and one of those 2 players coming around each end nails him ... he did exactly the right thing (which our other QBs could not do and would have been sacked)

Clip Two ... again the pocket is collapsing ... so he steps around as you advocate, sees a hole and gets positive yardage (again, any other Card QB on the roster is now sacked)

Clip Three... chaos, the pocket is complete chaos with D players going in 3 different directions. There is NOWHERE to go.

But wait, it was Andy Benoit who said all that and took 3 clips that illustrate nothing of what he was saying, but, he is an 'NFL' analyst, so he must really know what he is doing. LOL.

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I really don’t even know what to say. Those are not collapsing pockets.

 

[pmacLean]

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I really don’t even know what to say. Those are not collapsing pockets.

I don't know what you watched. So I don't know what to say either, after watching a bunch of collapsing and/or disintegrating pockets. I realize, that we got used to the idea with Warner (best Cards QB ever, period) that the pocket isn't actually collapsing until a DE is 6 inches from the QB's face. But that isn't real, that's just what we have got used to for, what seems like, ever.

 

[pemory09]

Guess I’m a glass full type of optimist when it comes to the Cards. In looking at those film clips of BG, sure, I see someone who looks to be on the move quickly. But given the inconsistent play of the O-line, I can’t blame him. More importantly, I see a QB with a nice set of wheels and some terrific escapability (fumble aside, of course). This quality really changes the dynamic of the offense and can drive defenses (and D-coordinators) crazy.

 

[DVontel]

Only the 1st clip maybe was some pressure due to #56 coming off unscathed. Even then, it took him a while to get around.
The other two? Yea, no. Especially at the 3rd one where Gabbert had all day & pretty much ran into the strip-sack.

 

[clif]

I must be missing your point as in each instance there was very clear pressure that forced Gabbert to move around in and out of the pocket...

Nothing wrong with moving up and around in the pocket, but you can’t bail at the first sign of pressure. Each clip showed him panicking at the first sight of danger when he could have easily step up or sideways a step or two and bought more time. Scrambling is great, but it can’t be a staple of your game. Especially when you are a below average passer.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Sorry. Didn't realize you were one of the 'professional' fans. Can't get excited unless the team is 9 and 2 at this point. Can't get excited if the QB is not getting a weekly QBR of ONE EFFING THOUSAND. Can't get excited unless the defense leads the NFL in every category and has since day one. Yeah, I get it, you are a 'professional' fan, I tip my hat to you.

Or his opinion of the situation just differs from yours, and he can talk about it without getting all emotional about it.

I do not remember reading that anyone said you cannot get excited and enjoy what you want.

Yet, as much as you feel that people are saying you HAVE TO check your excitement, it is no different then you telling people that they HAVE TO be excited about something.

So, please, by all means, enjoy the situation!

I am. I do not know what Blaine Gabbert is going to be at the end of this season, but winning is winning.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Guess I’m a glass full type of optimist when it comes to the Cards. In looking at those film clips of BG, sure, I see someone who looks to be on the move quickly. But given the inconsistent play of the O-line, I can’t blame him. More importantly, I see a QB with a nice set of wheels and some terrific escapability (fumble aside, of course). This quality really changes the dynamic of the offense and can drive defenses (and D-coordinators) crazy.

Its a game of inches. With his arm, if Gabbert could keep his eyes down the field for even a second longer, that is when some big plays present themselves.

It is what Palmer, and Warner did that made them special. They stayed in the pocket, eyes down the field, and got the ball out, even if it meant their destruction.

And yes, it is why Palmer is out with a broken arm, and why Warner played with one arm for a while.

The exciting thing about Gabbert, that I can hang my hat on, so this is JMHO, is he is this team's 3rd string QB (at least that is where he started at the beginning of the season), and he is better than most team's 2nd stringers.

Gabbert has 6 games to push Drew Stanton into retirement, and coaching, and be the Cardinals back-up next year (at worst).

As for starting? I think he has a way to go, to keep the Cardinals from drafting a QB, or looking elsewhere.

 

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[Jetstream Green]

Only the 1st clip maybe was some pressure due to #56 coming off unscathed. Even then, it took him a while to get around.
The other two? Yea, no. Especially at the 3rd one where Gabbert had all day & pretty much ran into the strip-sack.

Exactly, you put things into a 'pocket' and why it's called such because you naturally move inward to scan the field, making your progressions visually as you progress forward instead of doing the ol',' "one Mississippi, two Mississippi, run". Now, for a majority his scrambling resulted in positive results though staying in there longer will glean more for him

 

[Fiasco]

Lmao. Ok bud. You seem to want to agitate.

Let’s be real. You are one of maybe two other people (Gabberts mom and his agent) who would think he is a better player than CP. I guess it doesn’t matter to you when he misses open receivers and throws the ball high or runs out of a clean pocket.

I think he has played pretty decently but the silliness of saying he’s the best QB on the team is pure bull.

Guess that makes me the fourth person along with him, gabberts mom and his agent.... (situationaly, this year)

 

[Fiasco]

Only the 1st clip maybe was some pressure due to #56 coming off unscathed. Even then, it took him a while to get around.
The other two? Yea, no. Especially at the 3rd one where Gabbert had all day & pretty much ran into the strip-sack.

Which doesn't happen if the tackle doesn't stop blocking

 

[WisconsinCard]

NO he isn't. Take the 5 best o-linemen in the NFL and put them in front of CP and I agree with you. We have never had even ONE of the best o-linemen, ever.

CP is as good as his line, stellar line, stellar CP. That's all there is to it. I love the guy. I think he is the toughest Cardinal football player since Boldin and Warner. But he is NOT Warner and he CANNOT do what Warner did and he has no more support than Warner did.

Gabbert can move and either run or throw, and quite often, that is all good. With our o-line, that is a huge upgrade and please don't quote me O-line stats for last week... the O-line looked good because Gabbert escaped most of the disasters they were allowing to happen (Warner couldn't do that, Warner was so good, he saw it before it happened and audibled into a super fast play to kill that problem, very few QBs, if any, are Warner-like in that regard, CP is not one of them)

So, no, on this team, CP is NOT better than Gabbert.

Ya...OK

 

[Jetstream Green]

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[Dude]

NO he isn't. Take the 5 best o-linemen in the NFL and put them in front of CP and I agree with you. We have never had even ONE of the best o-linemen, ever.

CP is as good as his line, stellar line, stellar CP. That's all there is to it. I love the guy. I think he is the toughest Cardinal football player since Boldin and Warner. But he is NOT Warner and he CANNOT do what Warner did and he has no more support than Warner did.

Gabbert can move and either run or throw, and quite often, that is all good. With our o-line, that is a huge upgrade and please don't quote me O-line stats for last week... the O-line looked good because Gabbert escaped most of the disasters they were allowing to happen (Warner couldn't do that, Warner was so good, he saw it before it happened and audibled into a super fast play to kill that problem, very few QBs, if any, are Warner-like in that regard, CP is not one of them)

So, no, on this team, CP is NOT better than Gabbert.

I agree with all of it. I don't see how the part in bold everyone dosen't agree with. CP is a sitting duck out in the open on this team.