Blame this mess on who?

[ASUCHRIS]

So blame it on Colangelo for not vetting a buyer for the team that would know what he is doing.

There is some truth to this. With as much as he loves the team, and as savvy a guy as JC is, it's shocking that he sold the team to such a turd.

 

[Bufalay]

JJ in 2005 - yeah, we got Dudley and Bell (plus Diaw for a year and later JRich) but doesn't compare to a franchise player that can create his shot, shot 48% from three as a spot-up shooter in his third season and was a good perimeter defender.

Actually, the Suns had signed Bell to be JJ's back up. I guess they were technically teammates for a few weeks.

 

[Michael]

Actually, the Suns had signed Bell to be JJ's back up. I guess they were technically teammates for a few weeks.

Really? I wasn't aware of that. But it doesn't make it better - worse, rather. Raja would have been an amazing back-up to have.

 

[jibikao]

Did Felton really say Nash misses Amare more? Oh that mother ****er. How dare him criticize Nash, who is at age 36 and turning 37 in 2 months??!!!

I don't think any of the Suns fan thinks Amare is not worth it. I think most think Amare isn't worth it for 6 years max. Suns wanted Amare for 3 years which I believe Amare can perform but 6 years? That's a huge gamble for the amount of money he is asking. Nobody is saying Amare isn't worth at least for 3 years and it's pretty clear to me Amare wants to leave.

And to be honest, Amare going to Knicks has more to prove than Nash staying in Suns. Amare wants to be his own leader and I am sure he'll put more effort into it.

I don't think Nash is playing that bad right now. He is playing one more minute than his career average at 31 mins. For a 36-year PG, he is still amazing. What's hurting the team this season is the constant lineup and rotation change and looks like both Lopez and Dragic did not improve much since last season. When Lopez was injured, Suns panic and messes with rotation even more.


I was going to root for Knicks but if Felton said that about Nash, then I wish Knicks tank and expose how average Felton really is. And guess where he learned all the pick&roll trick? You don't think Felton studied Nash's game? I am sure D'Antoni has already asked him to study Nash/Amare combo.

 

[jibikao]

Felton kinda reiterating what i posted earlier (and what some of us have been saying) on national TV, it is a no brainer; Nash misses Amare more.
You cant help but imagine if Amare had not missed that season of Nash 2nd MVP, the Suns coulda been in the finals and maybe win it all.

Btw, That was a bold statement by Felton on national TV.

I would love to see Felton running the current Suns team.

 

[jibikao]

"It's just a little bit frustrating when you come in the locker room and people are talking about the offense," Gortat began. "That's not the way you're going to win NBA games. I don't know if it's just me, or maybe I'm just different, but I came from a team where everybody's competing and trying to do the stuff that coach is saying. We're just totally changing our rotations, changing our stuff that we set before the game. We're not playing hard enough and I've just got to tell you, there's a lot, a lot of work in front of us. The positive thing is? It can't be worse."

I believe this is the truth in what's hurting the team right now. I can even tell they are changing a lot just by looking at box score. You can have Warrick playing 30+ minutes and then only 10 mins the next game and today he didn't even play.

I think Gortat is talking too much atm. I don't think this team is not trying. Hell, this team tried super hard last season to get to WCF when most people wrote them off. This team is just frustrated with all the new changes.

I am very irritated by Gortat who thinks the team is soooo garbage when his old Magic team wasn't doing that hot on the East.

 

[mojorizen7]

I would love to see Felton running the current Suns team.

I'd rather see Nash running the show in NY.

 

[Trifecta]

I think Gortat is talking too much atm. I don't think this team is not trying. Hell, this team tried super hard last season to get to WCF when most people wrote them off. This team is just frustrated with all the new changes.

I am very irritated by Gortat who thinks the team is soooo garbage when his old Magic team wasn't doing that hot on the East.

I can see what you're saying - several of Gortat's current Suns teammates were key players in a team that went to the conference finals in the West last season, whereas Gortat was just a bench player for his team that went to the conference finals last season and in the weaker East, so maybe he should show a bit more respect, especially since he just got here.

But having said that, during the short time he has been in Phoenix the team has been garbage, and what he's been saying about them is no less true.

 

[sunsfan88]

Gortat has the right to talk. He's been doing his job defensively and on the boards ever since he got here.

 

[elindholm]

But having said that, during the short time he has been in Phoenix the team has been garbage, and what he's been saying about them is no less true.

I thought it was pretty funny how the Polish Mouth went on a rampage about how incompetent his new teammates are, then came into the game and immediately clanked a pair of free throws. I'll bet he's real popular in the locker room.

 

[slinslin]

Gortat has the right to talk. He's been doing his job defensively and on the boards ever since he got here.

Um no..

The first game he was utter garbage, the next 2 games he had by far the worst +/- on the team and got less rebounds per minute than Lopez.

Against the Pistons was his first good game but that doesn't say much as the game wasn't very competetive.

Gortat better keep his mouth shut in public because I can't imagine talking to the media like that goes all that well with teammates.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Um no..

The first game he was utter garbage, the next 2 games he had by far the worst +/- on the team and got less rebounds per minute than Lopez.

Against the Pistons was his first good game but that doesn't say much as the game wasn't very competetive.

Gortat better keep his mouth shut in public because I can't imagine talking to the media like that goes all that well with teammates.

I think it would be better for all involved if he did keep his mouth shut but he's probably not in a position to do so. When you have someone like Gortat who is basically a national hero in his homeland you have to put up with some of this stuff. If he were just Gortat from Eloy, Arizona he wouldn't have the kind of PR opportunities or responsiblities that Marcin does.

Steve

 

[slinslin]

Gortat a national hero? Hardly.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Gortat a national hero? Hardly.

Maybe it's a little strong but you get the point. His play and his words matter much more to Poland than his talent would warrant in this country.

Steve

 

[dziki]

We`ve got in NBA just 3 polish guys (Trybanski, Lampe and Gortat) so if one of them is playing around 20/30 minutes in the team like PHX - yeah, he is kind of authority for us. Maybe he is not a national hero but for a lot of polish people he is like a model athlete; especially for those who are playing in basketball. Of course he is not like the only one sportsman from Poland but ... NBA is the best basketball league in the world, so automatically it improves his position.

And yeah, sure. We understand that he is not a star and he wouldn`t be the best center in NBA. We believe that he can be good player who is responsible for good performance of his team. To be clear, some of Gortat`s interview ...well ... he don`t have to talk as much as he do it right now ;-) but still - he is like ambassador of real basketball in 40 mln people country so sometimes he just have to be asked for comment about, for example, his new team or teammates. And trust me - in Poland there is a lot of people who will be the PHX supporters (primo- because of Gortat, secondo- because of potentially good performance) - so even if it is annoying sometimes - you`ll find some benefits in the nearest future.

He looks so honest. Always talking about what he is thinking. IMO his statement wasn`t as bad as you describe it. I know for example that a lot of people in US was annoyed because of his statement "NYC is dirty and stinky". Well, maybe he is not the best diplomate in the world but ... he is basketball player, c`mon ! ;-)

Today he said about this last game and mentioned "one of the best defence in all league" - isn`t that "building of some good spirit in the team"?

Chillout man.

/
If there are some grammatical errors - sorry for that;-)

 

[desertdawg]

Right on dziki.

 

[Covert Rain]

Um no..

The first game he was utter garbage, the next 2 games he had by far the worst +/- on the team and got less rebounds per minute than Lopez.

Against the Pistons was his first good game but that doesn't say much as the game wasn't very competetive.

Gortat better keep his mouth shut in public because I can't imagine talking to the media like that goes all that well with teammates.

So what. We all know once Lopez reaches 4 or 5 rebounds he is done for the game. That statistically proves out anyway. More importantly, Gortat has already proven to be the much better defender and can actually catch a pass. It's refreshing to see a guy not hold open the door for every opposing big man.

 

[slinslin]

Yeah wow I liked how Gortat's defense lead to him having the worst +/- in 2 of 4 games and getting about 5 rebounds per 30 minutes and how he fumbled the ball away when Frye dropped him the ball.

Guess it will take half a year before reality sets in for most fans after the recent post trade Suns propaganda wears off.

 

[Magnus]

Yeah wow I liked how Gortat's defense lead to him having the worst +/- in 2 of 4 games and getting about 5 rebounds per 30 minutes and how he fumbled the ball away when Frye dropped him the ball.

Guess it will take half a year before reality sets in for most fans after the recent post trade Suns propaganda wears off.

From a strictly numbers standpoint, that looks bad. But looking at how poor the Phoenix defense currently is, there aren't many missed shots to rebound, so it still is a decent record. I doubt someone else would have gotten a much higher rate of rebounds in this situation.

 

[JS22]

Yeah wow I liked how Gortat's defense lead to him having the worst +/- in 2 of 4 games and getting about 5 rebounds per 30 minutes and how he fumbled the ball away when Frye dropped him the ball.

Guess it will take half a year before reality sets in for most fans after the recent post trade Suns propaganda wears off.

You seem to be obsessed with the meaningless +/- stat. Hard to have a positive +/- when you're paired with the bench for half the game. Who, up until yesterday, was awful with Gortat. His +/- will go up as the team becomes more comfortable with each other. That said, it's a pointless stat.

All that is expected of Gortat is that he can provide solid defense, grab rebounds without fumbling and bumbling them away (Lopez), and not be completely worthless offensively. Grabbing 8 boards and dishing out 5 assists in 30 minutes is pretty solid IMO. And it's just his third game.

 

[Covert Rain]

Yeah wow I liked how Gortat's defense lead to him having the worst +/- in 2 of 4 games and getting about 5 rebounds per 30 minutes and how he fumbled the ball away when Frye dropped him the ball.

Guess it will take half a year before reality sets in for most fans after the recent post trade Suns propaganda wears off.

Who cares about +/-. That stat by itself doesn't tell the entire story. When you are paired with bench players that stat is meaningless. Not to mention that watching the games, Gortat is obviously the superior defender. He has much better hands. Oh...by the way...his passing is impressive too.

I find it laughable you point out a pass that Gortat fumbled away when you know as well as I do, that Lopez has much worse hands and has dropped more open passes from Steve Nash then anybody in recent memory.

Also....it's ironic that you call buying into Gortat "propaganda" yet you still appear to be buying into the Draft propaganda of Lopez. The entire reason of drafting Lopez was for defense and Rebounding. He is statistically one of the worst defending Centers in the NBA and only rebounds 5 per game.

So....now who is buying into "propaganda" exactly?

 

[AfroSuns]

Grabbing 8 boards and dishing out 5 assists in 30 minutes is pretty solid IMO. And it's just his third game.

This. Especially the assist, i think this will be huge in a lot of games.

 

[sunsfan88]

Yeah wow I liked how Gortat's defense lead to him having the worst +/- in 2 of 4 games and getting about 5 rebounds per 30 minutes and how he fumbled the ball away when Frye dropped him the ball.

Guess it will take half a year before reality sets in for most fans after the recent post trade Suns propaganda wears off.

+/- thing means absoltely nothing. Its not his fault the opponents are scoring more than us during time he is on the court. He does his job defensively and on the boards which is why he gets more minutes than Lopez.

And Dwight Howard can be on this team and he would have still gotten about 5 rebounds per 30 minutes.

Like I said before, HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO REBOUND WHEN YOUR TEAMMATES PLAY HORRIBLE DEFENSE AND THE OPPONENTS MAKE CLOSE TO EVERY BASKET? You can only rebound misses...not makes.

And the first game we actually play defense, Gortat gets 8 boards.

AND GORTAT is way more effective offensively than you give him credit for. For example when Lopez is on the court the PnR almost never works because he's never in position to score while "rolling" which makes the other team not respect it at all. Its the straight opposite with Gortat as we saw yesterday.

And he has excellent court vision for a center. 5 assists and they were perfect passes too.

 

[Suns_fan69]

Since Gortat has joined the Suns, his % of available defensive rebounds is 18.8% compared to 12.9% for Lopez. This means that for 100 defensive rebound opportunities, Gortat would get 18.8 of them. In his Orlando time it was 20.7%

Found here:http://www.82games.com/1011/10PHO14.HTM

Oh and btw, Frye is at 18.8% as well.

For comparison:
Kevin Love - 30.9%
Marcus Camby - 30.2%
Dwight Howard - 28.3%
Blake Griffin - 24.7%
Josh Smith - 20.2%
Amare Stoudemire - 18.5%
Grant Hill - 12%

 

[JCSunsfan]

Since Gortat has joined the Suns, his % of available defensive rebounds is 18.8% compared to 12.9% for Lopez. This means that for 100 defensive rebound opportunities, Gortat would get 18.8 of them. In his Orlando time it was 20.7%

Found here:http://www.82games.com/1011/10PHO14.HTM

Oh and btw, Frye is at 18.8% as well.

For comparison:
Kevin Love - 30.9%
Marcus Camby - 30.2%
Dwight Howard - 28.3%
Blake Griffin - 24.7%
Josh Smith - 20.2%
Amare Stoudemire - 18.5%
Grant Hill - 12%

Let's get Josh Smith.

please