Bledsoe Contract: 5 Years, $70 million

[Chaplin]

You are such a proven ignorant why would I bother arguing with you? This would be the first time you actually back up your nonsense with some actual facts or statistics.

Amare averaged

8.8rpg in 31.3mpg
9.0rpg in 36.8mpg
8.9rpg in 36.1mpg
9.6rpg in 32.8mpg
9.1rpg in 33.9mpg

But yeah he could not rebound, clearly, because you have to average at least 10.0 rpg to say someone can rebound eventhough there are only round about 10 players in the league per season averaging 10 rebounds or more.

I am not even going to adress your ******** remark that Amare Stoudemire could not score in the post, that is just ridiculous.

Saying Amare Stoudemire was not a pure PF is just stupid. Trolling at its finest.

You really need to look in the mirror Nils. You have nothing good or constructive to say so you resort to name calling and insults. The fact that you are still allowed to post on this board is mind-boggling.

And I see you conveniently quote statistics from years ago. He hasn't been NEAR those numbers for at least 2 years. You just dig yourself in your own hole with every post you write.

 

[slinslin]

You really need to look in the mirror Nils. You have nothing good or constructive to say so you resort to name calling and insults. The fact that you are still allowed to post on this board is mind-boggling.

And I see you conveniently quote statistics from years ago. He hasn't been NEAR those numbers for at least 2 years. You just dig yourself in your own hole with every post you write.

Maybe you should read the context of the thread before replying with your wonderful rich and englightning 1-liners.


mjorizen: Can we get a pure PF for once?
superbone: Amare Stoudemire
superbone:Huh? I'm saying he was a pure PF. I don't know how you can argue against that. I'm not talking about his medical condition.
chaplin: Amare can't rebound and doesn't post up. I'm not sure how that is part of your definition of "pure".

 

[BC867]

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[Chaplin]

Maybe you should read the context of the thread before replying with your wonderful rich and englightning 1-liners.


mjorizen: Can we get a pure PF for once?
superbone: Amare Stoudemire
superbone:Huh? I'm saying he was a pure PF. I don't know how you can argue against that. I'm not talking about his medical condition.
chaplin: Amare can't rebound and doesn't post up. I'm not sure how that is part of your definition of "pure".

Why don't you reply and join the discussion instead of attacking people? Wait, I already know the answer having the displeasure of reading your posts for this long.

 

[Covert Rain]

You are such a proven ignorant why would I bother arguing with you? This would be the first time you actually back up your nonsense with some actual facts or statistics.

Amare averaged

8.8rpg in 31.3mpg
9.0rpg in 36.8mpg
8.9rpg in 36.1mpg
9.6rpg in 32.8mpg
9.1rpg in 33.9mpg

But yeah he could not rebound, clearly, because you have to average at least 10.0 rpg to say someone can rebound eventhough there are only round about 10 players in the league per season averaging 10 rebounds or more.

I am not even going to adress your ******** remark that Amare Stoudemire could not score in the post, that is just ridiculous.

Saying Amare Stoudemire was not a pure PF is just stupid. Trolling at its finest.

Pot meet Kettle. You are attacking him and he is the Troll? What about your expert trolling on Lopez and Beasley? Really dude? You attacked more people than I can count even if someone sneezed at Lopez's mop.

Amare's problem wasn't his rebounding average. You are right overall he was a top 10 rebounder most of the time he was here. It was his grabbing a bunch one night and not showing up the next that killed this team some nights. Especially, when the team was challenged at times rebounding wise.

In terms of his shot selection he did make 6 of 10 of his shots around the basket but he was no back your guy down and shoot over you PF. He was either rolling for a dunk, driving around you or powering through you. That's why play option #1 was always pick and roll....not slowly dribble down the court and throw it into Amare in the post to work for his own shot. Some people consider "pure" PF as the type guy that backs you down for a living. That was not Amare. He had one of the damn quickest 1st steps for a PF and went around everyone.

Slow your roll dude...don't post angry.

 

[SO91]

This 'pure', 'not pure' argument is so stupid IMO. By those rigid definitions, only a handful of players qualify to call themselves that.

 

[JustWinBaby]

This 'pure', 'not pure' argument is so stupid IMO. By those rigid definitions, only a handful of players qualify to call themselves that.

I agree.

However Amare was one of the most efficient scorers in the history of the NBA and it was not all because of Steve Nash as most tend to believe. Without injuries who knows what he might have accomplished.

I have done some comparisons between Amare and Blake Griffin at similar ages for their first four years in the league. Mind you Amare did not have Steve Nash in his first year in the league and Blake did not have Chris Paul.

2 Point FG's (assisted) - Blake Griffin (1st 4 years) has had .646 of his 2 point FG's assisted by mostly Chris Paul and mostly resulting in break away dunks or alley oops during his 1st 4 years in the league- Amare was assisted on the following % of 2 Point shots 02-03 (.554), 03-04 (.459), 04-05 (.597), 06-07 (.649) - thus it appears that Amare was able to get his own shot better than Blake Griffin and put back more rebounds for points.

Rebounds - Blake Griffin 10.1 - Amare 9.1 - Blake slightly better

FG% - Blake Griffin .528 - Amare .528 - It is a draw.

Points per FGA - Blake Griffin 1.36 - Amare 1.46 (Amare was a beast)

Is Blake Griffin a legit PF?

If he is why does Amare take all the crap he has taken over the years, especially from Phoenix Suns Fans. It is idiotic at best. If Amare had been injury free who knows what he would have accomplished.

If our owner would have put a Deandre Jordan next to him in the day, I expect that a banner would have been hung in our town by now.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You are such a proven ignorant why would I bother arguing with you? This would be the first time you actually back up your nonsense with some actual facts or statistics.

Amare averaged

8.8rpg in 31.3mpg
9.0rpg in 36.8mpg
8.9rpg in 36.1mpg
9.6rpg in 32.8mpg
9.1rpg in 33.9mpg

But yeah he could not rebound, clearly, because you have to average at least 10.0 rpg to say someone can rebound eventhough there are only round about 10 players in the league per season averaging 10 rebounds or more.

I am not even going to adress your ******** remark that Amare Stoudemire could not score in the post, that is just ridiculous.

Saying Amare Stoudemire was not a pure PF is just stupid. Trolling at its finest.

so, Chap gives an opinion about a player, YOU personally call Chap ******** and a troll... and CHAP'S THE TROLL? Yeah... and Magic Johnson's not a PG.

How's that RG3 is the vastly superior player to Andrew Luck thing working out for ya Slin?

 

[SO91]

I agree.

However Amare was one of the most efficient scorers in the history of the NBA and it was not all because of Steve Nash as most tend to believe. Without injuries who knows what he might have accomplished.

I have done some comparisons between Amare and Blake Griffin at similar ages for their first four years in the league. Mind you Amare did not have Steve Nash in his first year in the league and Blake did not have Chris Paul.

2 Point FG's (assisted) - Blake Griffin (1st 4 years) has had .646 of his 2 point FG's assisted by mostly Chris Paul and mostly resulting in break away dunks or alley oops during his 1st 4 years in the league- Amare was assisted on the following % of 2 Point shots 02-03 (.554), 03-04 (.459), 04-05 (.597), 06-07 (.649) - thus it appears that Amare was able to get his own shot better than Blake Griffin and put back more rebounds for points.

Rebounds - Blake Griffin 10.1 - Amare 9.1 - Blake slightly better

FG% - Blake Griffin .528 - Amare .528 - It is a draw.

Points per FGA - Blake Griffin 1.36 - Amare 1.46 (Amare was a beast)

Is Blake Griffin a legit PF?

If he is why does Amare take all the crap he has taken over the years, especially from Phoenix Suns Fans. It is idiotic at best. If Amare had been injury free who knows what he would have accomplished.

If our owner would have put a Deandre Jordan next to him in the day, I expect that a banner would have been hung in our town by now.

Thanks for that, and yup, it's a damn shame we never got to find out. I remember kicking and breaking stuff around my house when I heard about the MF surgery he needed.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Thanks for that, and yup, it's a damn shame we never got to find out. I remember kicking and breaking stuff around my house when I heard about the MF surgery he needed.

agreed. whatever Amare was AFTER the surgeries was not what he was going to be before them. I firmly believe that. That kid had beyond superstar greatness in him. His athleticism was beyond off the charts. he got a decent amount of it back, but that lightning flash he had never got all the way back. a shame to see what happened to him.

 

[SO91]

agreed. whatever Amare was AFTER the surgeries was not what he was going to be before them. I firmly believe that. That kid had beyond superstar greatness in him. His athleticism was beyond off the charts. he got a decent amount of it back, but that lightning flash he had never got all the way back. a shame to see what happened to him.

Oh man, thinking about what he was, and what he could have been makes me so sad. He was the future offensively, and should have had more help defensively, as someone pointed out earlier. He wasn't perfect, but damn he was special.


42-16-4 Blks against Tim freaking Duncan.

 

[JustWinBaby]

agreed. whatever Amare was AFTER the surgeries was not what he was going to be before them. I firmly believe that. That kid had beyond superstar greatness in him. His athleticism was beyond off the charts. he got a decent amount of it back, but that lightning flash he had never got all the way back. a shame to see what happened to him.

Yep

He still shows flashes and he has improved his post up game but he obviously has lost the enormous physical skills that he once had.

If will be interesting to see what he does in New York this year. Phil Jackson has always made good use of his big men. Hell he even made some of those chumps playing center in Chicago productive.

I am not saying Amare is going to be great but it would not surprise me if he became more of a factor this year, if his health will allow it.

Remember he also almost went blind as well. He had to lay flat on his stomach for hours on end.

It really is a damn shame.

 

[Phrazbit]

You are with the site for a long time, does not make you any less of a troll when you post crap like that.

I missed this conversation, its too bad, I would have enjoyed it. Its good to know someone is here keeping an eye out for the trolls. Making sure no one is getting personal in every debate, calling people racists and rednecks, lobbing out wildly wrong ideas and then getting nasty when proven hilariously wrong.

Its great slin can keep an eye out for these folk... and that his monitor is not terribly reflective.

 

[SirStefan32]

It's easy to forget just how athletic Amare was.

He is a textbook example of why injuries are a lot more scary for players who rely solely (or at least heavily) on their athleticism. It is so easy to go from a borderline superstar to a complete non-factor.

 

[Mainstreet]

It's easy to forget just how athletic Amare was.

He is a textbook example of why injuries are a lot more scary for players who rely solely (or at least heavily) on their athleticism. It is so easy to go from a borderline superstar to a complete non-factor.

It's really sad. The Suns draft a star big man in Amare and injuries erode his athletic ability. Prior to injuries he is the type big man you draft and try to keep for an entire career.

 

[Covert Rain]

agreed. whatever Amare was AFTER the surgeries was not what he was going to be before them. I firmly believe that. That kid had beyond superstar greatness in him. His athleticism was beyond off the charts. he got a decent amount of it back, but that lightning flash he had never got all the way back. a shame to see what happened to him.

ohhhh how that killed me. Amare was a freak of nature. PERIOD. FINALLY the Suns are the team that landed the freak of nature type player. The Suns finally got that rare player to fall to them.

Freaking MF surgery. As soon as that happened I knew he would never be the same. He never got to reach his full potential as a result. Who knows how good he would have become injury free. That has been our luck.

 

[mojorizen7]

Oh man, thinking about what he was, and what he could have been makes me so sad. He was the future offensively, and should have had more help defensively, as someone pointed out earlier. He wasn't perfect, but damn he was special.


42-16-4 Blks against Tim freaking Duncan.

Yeah #32 Stoudemire was awesome. He was so strong and quick up front. Unbelievably athletic. 4's and 5's couldn't guard him. As his mid-range shot began to develop later ...forget about it
Imagine how much better those playoff teams would have been if #32 Stat and Marion had some protection next to them.

Fell to the Spurs 3-1 in the WCF. Just couldn't get any stops. Suns brought in KT after this '04-'05 series loss if my timeline is right.

 

[devilalum]

Yeah #32 Stoudemire was awesome. He was so strong and quick up front. Unbelievably athletic. 4's and 5's couldn't guard him. As his mid-range shot began to develop later ...forget about it
Imagine how much better those playoff teams would have been if #32 Stat and Marion had some protection next to them.

Fell to the Spurs 3-1 in the WCF. Just couldn't get any stops. Suns brought in KT after this '04-'05 series loss if my timeline is right.

With healthy knees he was on track to become one of the best PFs ever.

And then there was the eye! Well at least he has about a 1/4 billion dollars to ease his pain.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Oh man, thinking about what he was, and what he could have been makes me so sad. He was the future offensively, and should have had more help defensively, as someone pointed out earlier. He wasn't perfect, but damn he was special.


42-16-4 Blks against Tim freaking Duncan.

Yeah, Amare will always be the biggest AZ "what if". I can't ever remember a more exciting offensive player at PF. A damn shame he couldn't stay healthy.

 

[BC867]

It sounds like you all are saying that Amar'e could have been another . . . Karl Malone.

Stockton & Malone -- never a serious Championship threat.

Nash & Amar'e -- never proved any differently.

'Just a good draw for the hometown fans. And some All Star appearances.

Our problem is that Phoenix is a much larger market than Salt Lake and more is expected.

 

[elindholm]

Stockton & Malone -- never a serious Championship threat.

That's ridiculous, they went to consecutive 6-game Finals. How much closer can you get? If you mean that they didn't win a title, just say that. Of course they were a "threat." Good grief.

 

[SO91]

It sounds like you all are saying that Amar'e could have been another . . . Karl Malone.

Stockton & Malone -- never a serious Championship threat.

Nash & Amar'e -- never proved any differently.

'Just a good draw for the hometown fans. And some All Star appearances.

Our problem is that Phoenix is a much larger market than Salt Lake and more is expected.

Sorry, but not, that's not what I've been saying. I don't want to speak for anyone else though

 

[SO91]

That's ridiculous, they went to consecutive 6-game Finals. How much closer can you get? If you mean that they didn't win a title, just say that. Of course they were a "threat." Good grief.

 

[SirStefan32]

It sounds like you all are saying that Amar'e could have been another . . . Karl Malone.

Stockton & Malone -- never a serious Championship threat.

Nash & Amar'e -- never proved any differently.

'Just a good draw for the hometown fans. And some All Star appearances.

Our problem is that Phoenix is a much larger market than Salt Lake and more is expected.

Really? Utah was never a Championship threat? They went to the finals two freaking times, and they made it to the WCF once in three consecutive seasons.

If they were not a "Championship threat" then I don't know what team was.
Hell, they even played two legitimate Centers next to the best PF in the game.

 

[JustWinBaby]

Really? Utah was never a Championship threat? They went to the finals two freaking times, and they made it to the WCF once in three consecutive seasons.

If they were not a "Championship threat" then I don't know what team was.
Hell, they even played two legitimate Centers next to the best PF in the game.

Just imagine if that Atlanta pick we received from Joe Johnson would have turned out to be Joakim Noah.

It probably would have, if not for fate. Atlanta finished 4th from the bottom and we had a top 3 protected pick. Atlanta was able to keep the third pick via the luck of the draw and chose Horford, Noah went at #9 to Chicago. It was widely reported that we wanted Noah.

A front line of:

Noah, Amare, Diaw and the Matrix would have been ridiculous. You can sub in Horford if you like.

It also would have been nice if Sarver and co would have added a legit back up PG rather than Marcus Banks. It surely would have been a benefit if Nash would have been able to get more rest along the way.

Hopefully this new group can reward us with what we missed in the day.

Even though they broke our hearts. Damn, they were fun to watch.

I have a feeling this new group are going to be fun as well. Our ultimate destiny I believe may lie in Alex Len's hands.