Blend of new, old faces at Cards' first workout

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Apr. 5, 2005 12:00 AM



[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]The first meaningful game is more than five months away, but for many of the Cardinals players the 2005 season started Monday.

That was the first day of the team's off-season workout program, which lasts 14 weeks and is labeled "voluntary" under the collective bargaining agreement. But those who adhere to the literal meaning of the word risk unemployment under coach Dennis Green.

Several players who didn't attend last year fell into disfavor. And many of those who did attend made a favorable impression. Regular attendance helped running back Emmitt Smith get promoted to the starting lineup.[/font]
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[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]"Technically, it's not mandatory, but we all know better," defensive end Bertrand Berry said. "You just kind of understand that you have to make a certain level of commitment to the organization and they make a certain level of commitment to you."

Around 40 players reported to work Monday, doing shift work in the weight room and in meetings.

There were a handful of new guys, including quarterback Kurt Warner and offensive tackle Oliver Ross, signed as free agents this off-season. There were some familiar faces, such as offensive tackle Anthony Clement and defensive tackle Russell Davis. And there were some surprises, including outside linebacker Raynoch Thompson, who has been rumored to be on his way out of town.

Thompson has filed a grievance against the team to recover a portion of a signing bonus the organization withheld when he served a four-game suspension in 2003. Thompson did not play in the season finale last year, and there was speculation that the club was either going to trade or cut him.

"I'm still a Cardinal," Thompson said. "I'm still under contract. I'm going to come here every day. If they don't want me here, that's their decision. I just have to go by what they tell me."

These off-season workouts have become a point of contention in the NFL. Some players have complained that the year-round physical demands violate the spirit of the collective bargaining agreement. And there has been some speculation that such workouts contribute to injuries, because players' bodies don't have time to recover from the rigors of the season.[/font]
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[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]"I think it's a little excessive," said Berry, who made the Pro Bowl last season. "I think in this day and time guys are pretty knowledgeable about how to take care of themselves. I don't think it would be a stretch to say these guys could come in the same kind of shape doing it on their own. I think if we could come in around June, that would be ideal."

Some guys don't come in at all. Offensive tackle Leonard Davis wasn't there Monday. He traditionally works with his own trainer, even though he has bonuses in his contract for working out with the Cardinals.

Last year, he forfeited $200,000 to work out on his own. This year, it will be $175,000. Other notable absentees Monday were receivers Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald and defensive end Calvin Pace.

Of the team's five most recent first-round picks, only defensive tackle Wendell Bryant was in attendance Monday.

Of course, players such as Leonard Davis have job security and millions in the bank. Many others don't.

Running back Marcel Shipp missed all of last season after suffering a fractured fibula in training camp. He's faced challenges for a starting job every year, and with the team expected to take a running back high in the draft, this season will be no different.

"It's the way of the world," Shipp said. "In the NFL, you are going have to compete for your job every year."

For other players, such as Warner, these workouts provide a chance to learn the system as well as the teammates.

"When you've been here for two weeks, you've met hundreds of people and to try to put a name to a face is difficult to do," he said.[/font]
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Perhaps Ray will be back, but I don't know how Pace could be with him missing this on top of everything else.
 
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Thompson is still a good player. He may have some off the field issues but he could start for a number of teams. Before his extension he had a couple of good years he needs to regain that form. Besides are there any other OLB's out there we can replace him with. We could draft a OLB but there probably won't be any good ones left when we pick in the second round.
 

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I'm amazed that the unit that had the least success last year, namely the offense, has a new QB, and has the number one DG supporter in Larry Fitzgerald has the most people missing including said wonder boy.

Not to mention the fact we stank last year.

All those missing this voluntary camp should be forced to watch game film of of a loss after each training camp practice.

Hopefully the editors can make lowlights for the offenders.
 

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"Technically, it's not mandatory, but we all know better," defensive end Bertrand Berry said. "You just kind of understand that you have to make a certain level of commitment to the organization and they make a certain level of commitment to you."
Maybe this statement by our only Pro-Bowler will help people getting their head out of their ass and attend the work-outs. Still, isn't 40 players a lot more than last year.

There were a handful of new guys, including quarterback Kurt Warner and offensive tackle Oliver Ross, signed as free agents this off-season. There were some familiar faces, such as offensive tackle Anthony Clement and defensive tackle Russell Davis. And there were some surprises, including outside linebacker Raynoch Thompson, who has been rumored to be on his way out of town.
I like this... I think Clement will stay on the team and be a key back-up this season. Thompson... Well, at least he's showing up. Don't know if he's going to be around. I think he burned some bridges last season.

Other notable absentees Monday were receivers Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald and defensive end Calvin Pace.
Disappointed that Pace wasn't there. Pace probably needs this more than anybody on the team.
 

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Of the team's five most recent first-round picks, only defensive tackle Wendell Bryant was in attendance Monday.
I guess we now know the answer to: "eh...where's Wendell?" A good sign.
 

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From today's AZR:

Of the team's five most recent first-round picks, only defensive tackle Wendell Bryant was in attendance Monday.

Great news about Wendell!
 

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JeffGollin said:
Of the team's five most recent first-round picks, only defensive tackle Wendell Bryant was in attendance Monday.

So Bryant Johnson isn't there either. I don't understand this at all. We have a new quarterback and our 3 top receivers are skipping workouts. Two of them are being paid first round money. Unbelieveable.
 

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I'm just glad to hear that two guys that could really help this defense, Thompson and Bryant, are making the effort for the team. It would be nice to see them surprise a few people this year.
 
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Rocco said:
So Bryant Johnson isn't there either. I don't understand this at all. We have a new quarterback and our 3 top receivers are skipping workouts. Two of them are being paid first round money. Unbelieveable.

While it would be good to have all of them at the workout, it is not as though they would be running routes and throwing passes... it is just weight-lifting at this point.

If I recall correctly, Quan worked out in Florida most of last year's off season also.
 

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175k just to show up and work out. Man Big I wish I had your life where I had so much dough 175k was peanuts to me.
 

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wilycoyote24 said:
Perhaps Ray will be back, but I don't know how Pace could be with him missing this on top of everything else.


Does seem silly, he reported in great shape last year working out on his own only to find out Green wanted him "bigger" not faster, that's the whole point of supervised workouts make sure guys are doing what you want. I think the Cards learned a lot from David Boston in that regard, nobody wanted him getting bigger.

Pace is making a big mistake by not being there.
 

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CardLogic said:
While it would be good to have all of them at the workout, it is not as though they would be running routes and throwing passes... it is just weight-lifting at this point.

If I recall correctly, Quan worked out in Florida most of last year's off season also.
Very common for WRs to work-out on their own in groups. Chris Carter runs a training facility in Florida where a lot of NFL receivers works out. Fitz worked out there before the draft last year, so I expect him to be there this year as well. Maybe Bryant is with him.
 

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Very common for WRs to work-out on their own in groups. Chris Carter runs a training facility in Florida where a lot of NFL receivers works out. Fitz worked out there before the draft last year, so I expect him to be there this year as well. Maybe Bryant is with him.

I guess my objection there is that they ought to at least be somewhat connected to the team to build morale, and to make sure they're doing what the team wants them to do.

Quan for example came in last year noticeably bigger, clearly had hit the weights, and he was already a strong guy. I for one don't think he needs to get stronger I think he needs to get quicker and probably should have LOST weight not gotten bigger. Pace came in much lighter than Green wanted him. Shaun King, who worked out a few days with Quan, was doing some drills designed to strengthen his arm and came into camp with such a dead arm people here were saying he wouldn't even make the team.

HOpefully the Cards at least give them "homework" that gives them an idea what they want from them. That was the whole problem with Boston working out on his own here and in San Diego, the team wanted him at 230 and he would come in at 248 or bigger and say hey I am in great shape.

Pace needed to be there just to prove he's "buying in". He pretty much has to come in at 10-15 pounds of muscle bigger or he's going to be back in the doghouse bigtime.
 

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If AC wants to stay as a back-up or start and move Ross to guard then he needs to take some $ off that contract.
 

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I don't care if the players don't like it

I think all starters should be in attendance...we have new faces and if these guys really want to play to win it is important for a team to gell and play well together...not to mention beer weight added on during the off season is not going to be tolerated therefore all players should be there end of story. And if they do not show then DG should give them the horns.
 

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CardLogic said:
If I recall correctly, Quan worked out in Florida most of last year's off season also.

True he did..with Pace. The two of them worked out in FL and spent time with some of the rookie QB's, d-linemen, and RB's at "informal" workouts. Pace came to camp lighter and had worked on speed drills to get faster from the edge-the exact thing DG didnt want him to do. Pace needs to bulk up that frame at least 15 lbs of muscle.

This is a big time NO NO for Pace and really pisses me off if true. For Quan to miss these workouts is one thing (I dont agree but he isnt in DG's doghouse either) but for Pace to miss these pretty much seals his ticket either back in the doghouse or cut outright.

I wont pass judgement too quick as it is early, but he needs to be working out with the team! Huge mistake!
 
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