Board Seems Confused

[Harry]

about which team the posters are supporting. Juggling the cap results results in actually spending money. It’s not like Monopoly. The franchise has a history of pinching quarters until the eagle squaws. Have you all forgotten how many years they spent playing in a college stadium? Since you good folks built them this state-of-the-art facility, you really expected the to spend competitive amounts of money? Did you get that in writing? This is the Bidwill legacy. I’ve suffered through it for over 50 years.

 

[Syracusecards]

Ugh…. just when I thought I couldn’t be more depressed about the state of this team….. please let us be past the old days of Dollar Bill.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

You're right, this team always has loads of cap space, because they don't spend money...lol

They spend money...they just don't regularly spend it wisely. They are no longer penny pinchers.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You're right, this team always has loads of cap space, because they don't spend money...lol

They spend money...they just don't regularly spend it wisely. They are no longer penny pinchers.

Exactly. This team never has tens of millions of cap space. Half of this team will be free agents next year, but we have 70M!!! in cap space next year.

Unfortunately THIS was the year to make moves, as it is the last year before Kyler's contract extension will be eating up more than the 12M cap number. That is the sad part about all of this. Casual fans know this, but our front office either doesn't know, or doesn't care. Instead, our team is unquestionably worse than last year. It is sad.

 

[PACardsFan]

about which team the posters are supporting. Juggling the cap results results in actually spending money. It’s not like Monopoly. The franchise has a history of pinching quarters until the eagle squaws. Have you all forgotten how many years they spent playing in a college stadium? Since you good folks built them this state-of-the-art facility, you really expected the to spend competitive amounts of money? Did you get that in writing? This is the Bidwill legacy. I’ve suffered through it for over 50 years.

I’ve been watching them since 64, so I feel your pain. I still consider our current status as one of the high points in franchise history. Until Hopkins went down, we were one of the best offenses on the league. And I expect us again to be one of the best with his return & some improvements both on the OL & at the WR position (just be patient, we will be adding talent yet). It’s not even remotely possible for Michael’s era to be as bad as his fathers. I still maintain that Bill Bidwill was the worst owner, not just in NFL history, but in ALL of sports history. I could go on about all the talent he traded away as soon as they asked for money. Or all the talent he traded after they made a negative comment about the organization. Or all his draft choices that he low balled, etc, etc. Michael could never replicate how pathetic Bill was as an owner. The one area that I fear there are similarities, are in this organization’s ability to build enough depth to compensate for injuries late in the season. What we saw last season, we saw the season before. And let me tell you, I’ve seen that all through the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, etc, etc, etc. This franchise has had talent throughout most of its history. We’ve just never had the depth to carry us through an entire season & still be a threat to win it all.

 

[JeffGollin]

Free Speech & all that.

But I must admit that all the negative stuff on this board is over-the-top depressing.

The downer vibe of the fan base doesn’t send a very pleasant message to players considering playing here.

A far more notable challenge for Cardinal fans should be to find realistic ways to turn this negative stuff around.

 

[TRW]

The ending of last year, no matter the reasons, is what has fueled most of the angst IMO. At 10-2 and before, it was euphoria, at 1-5 it was dismal and then 0-1 in the playoff rout it was disgusting. Even with the injuries, even with the last games they lost, to come out like they did in that playoff game was inexcusable. THAT'S why, again, IMO, a lot of the posters are less than optimistic about this off season so far.
It's like that every year in Cardinal Land but this year it is amplified by the crash and burn of last season, again IMO. Others can see it differently, react differently, be happy as hell about where the team is, whatever. If what's posted on a message board makes me ill, angry or otherwise experience detrimental mental of physical health by reading the posts, I stay off of message boards. It's just not worth it.

 

[lobo]

My first year(s) being a fan of the team was the Chicago Cardinals....Sam Etcheverry, Raplh Gugliemi days so "I got you beat Harry." The nightmare that was the team's Super Bowl appearance was followed (albeit not closely) by Thanksgiving 1976 when the Dolphins led by Bob Griese if I recall took the Coryell Cards out of their orbit in about 15 minutes and that was the end of a possible playoff and did not make for a joyous turkey dinner that evening. Ciao. The worst owner in all of sports was close between William B and the former owner of the Golden State Warriors a certified maniac. Ciao! Yeah the pix is our Dobermann Heidi....as are all Dobies, a super delight.

 

[Rivercard]

The worst owner in all of sports was close between William B and the former owner of the Golden State Warriors a certified maniac.

I don't know, Donald Sterling gives both of those guys more than a run for their money.

 

[slanidrac16]

Free Speech & all that.

But I must admit that all the negative stuff on this board is over-the-top depressing.

The downer vibe of the fan base doesn’t send a very pleasant message to players considering playing here.

A far more notable challenge for Cardinal fans should be to find realistic ways to turn this negative stuff around.

It’s hard to convince anybody to change any view around when many of the things this team does is polarizing.

There’s not too many things this team does that 85% of the fan base agrees with.

One example is the Keim/Kingsbury 5 year extension. There are many others.

 

[Stout]

The ending of last year, no matter the reasons, is what has fueled most of the angst IMO. At 10-2 and before, it was euphoria, at 1-5 it was dismal and then 0-1 in the playoff rout it was disgusting. Even with the injuries, even with the last games they lost, to come out like they did in that playoff game was inexcusable. THAT'S why, again, IMO, a lot of the posters are less than optimistic about this off season so far.
It's like that every year in Cardinal Land but this year it is amplified by the crash and burn of last season, again IMO. Others can see it differently, react differently, be happy as hell about where the team is, whatever. If what's posted on a message board makes me ill, angry or otherwise experience detrimental mental of physical health by reading the posts, I stay off of message boards. It's just not worth it.

I mean, when Ryan Lindley has a better playoff showing than KM...

 

[TRW]

I mean, when Ryan Lindley has a better playoff showing than KM...

Especially when no one in their right minds expected Lindley to be anything but ish in that game LOL

 

[Harry]

Let me teach some of you a new phrase, “cash over cap.” I know many of you will find this hard to believe but don‘t equate the cap with actual dollars spent. Sorry to burst a bubble. Capology isn‘t a game, it’s a reflection of allowing rich owners to spend what they want. Poor owners look good because the spend what the cap allows. If you aren’t familiar with this aspect of the cap game, sit down before you click on the link. Sometimes I think some of you just don’t trust me.

NFL Cash Spending and Payrolls

NFL cash spending and payroll estimates

overthecap.com

 

[Cardinal88]

I mean, when Ryan Lindley has a better playoff showing than KM...

Ouch! Puts things in perspective

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Let me teach some of you a new phrase, “cash over cap.” I know many of you will find this hard to believe but don‘t equate the cap with actual dollars spent. Sorry to burst a bubble. Capology isn‘t a game, it’s a reflection of allowing rich owners to spend what they want. Poor owners look good because the spend what the cap allows. If you aren’t familiar with this aspect of the cap game, sit down before you click on the link. Sometimes I think some of you just don’t trust me.

NFL Cash Spending and Payrolls

NFL cash spending and payroll estimates

overthecap.com

NONE of the owners are poor. Their franchises are worth BILLIONS. Yes, they may have to get loans to leverage some of that money to field a competitive team.

Not having 'cash on hand' boils down to a choice. Nothing more.

 

[Mainstreet]

It feels like the Cardinals are satisfied with making a playoff appearance and settling back into mediocrity.

 

[Harry]

It’s like the baseball Cardinals (fan). They settle for a Participation Trophy.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Let me teach some of you a new phrase, “cash over cap.” I know many of you will find this hard to believe but don‘t equate the cap with actual dollars spent. Sorry to burst a bubble. Capology isn‘t a game, it’s a reflection of allowing rich owners to spend what they want. Poor owners look good because the spend what the cap allows. If you aren’t familiar with this aspect of the cap game, sit down before you click on the link. Sometimes I think some of you just don’t trust me.

NFL Cash Spending and Payrolls

NFL cash spending and payroll estimates

overthecap.com

Yep I was saying this in another thread. Just because the Rams can spend into coming years caps doesn't mean the Cardinals can.

You still have to have the cash at hand to pay bonuses.

 

[Krangodnzr]

NONE of the owners are poor. Their franchises are worth BILLIONS. Yes, they may have to get loans to leverage some of that money to field a competitive team.

Not having 'cash on hand' boils down to a choice. Nothing more.

The difference between Stan Kroenke and Jerry Jones vs Michael Bidwill is vast. Those guys are wealthy, Michael is rich.

The team being worth billions is meaningless when you don't have cash at hand.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I'm not confused, I know exactly what they are doing right now, and it has me bent out of shape lol

 

[PACardsFan]

I mean, when Ryan Lindley has a better playoff showing than KM...

The difference was that Lindley had a great defense that year. KM had an absolute crap D against the Rams. If our D could have held down the fort in the 1st half like the Niners did against GB, we could have still won that game.

 

[Mainstreet]

It’s like the baseball Cardinals (fan). They settle for a Participation Trophy.

If a team isn't serious about competing for a championship I think I like rebuild mode better because I like watching all the rookies play.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The difference between Stan Kroenke and Jerry Jones vs Michael Bidwill is vast. Those guys are wealthy, Michael is rich.

The team being worth billions is meaningless when you don't have cash at hand.

You're right. There is a big difference than having a net worth of 1.5B or 5B.

You clearly didn't read or chose to ignore my last post.

 

[Proximo]

If a team isn't serious about competing for a championship I think I like rebuild mode better because I like watching all the rookies play.

Not Keim's rookies you don't.

 

[Mainstreet]

Not Keim's rookies you don't.

That's for sure. It all starts with the GM. A shrewd GM can acquire talent and still work on a budget.