Bob Huggins Headed to West Virginia?

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I did a bit of bio research on Frank Martin. Grad of FIU, the other school, in the FB brawl. He coached at Miami Senior High. Guaranteed he was dirty at that school.

I have that book at home(sole influence) I'll try to remember to re-read that chapter and post what I find but I knew I'd read about him before.

And you're right Shakey Rodriguez was very prominent in that book too.
 

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Looks like K State may file a grievance against WVU, and possibly 3 other schools for contacting recruits who had signed LOI's to K State.

http://www.810whb.com/scripts/archives/getStory.asp?article=14386

Huggins Wanted Staff, Recruits With Him at West Virginia
By: Curtis Kitchen, Sports Radio 810 Staff

(April 10, 2007) – Bob Huggins, it turns out, thought what he had working at Kansas State was so good he wanted to take it with him to West Virginia.

On Monday, new Kansas State associate head coach Dalonte Hill told Sports Radio 810 WHB’s Kevin Kietzman that Huggins extended the offer to join him in Morgantown to “every one of us,” in reference to the coaching staff.

Huggins’ contact didn’t stop with the coaches according to one Kansas State signee’s mother.

“I don’t know the exact content,” said Fatima Smith, the mother of Michael Beasley. “I don’t know exactly when the contact happened, but yeah, we talked. We discussed (Huggins’) decision and things like that.

“I guess (making contact) was the right thing to do for Bob since he was a big part of the recruiting process. Michael sent him on with his well wishes.”

According to the Collegiate Commissioners Association, which administers the Letter of Intent program for the NCAA (but leaves daily administrative duties to the Southeastern Conference), if Huggins did simply make a courtesy call to Beasley’s family notifying them of his decision to leave, he technically did nothing illegal as long as there was no attempt to recruit Beasley.

"All colleges and universities that participate in the NLI (national letter of intent) program agree to not recruit a prospective student-athlete once he/she signs an NLI with another college or university,” the CCA’s Web site said. “Therefore, a prospective student-athlete who signs an NLI should no longer receive recruiting contacts and calls."

Fellow K-State signee Dominique Sutton told the Manhattan Mercury last week that calls made from multiple schools to Beasley began almost immediately after Huggins’ departure, and they weren’t just wishing the pair K-State success.

“(Beasley) said there are three schools we could fit in — he talked to them already, N.C. State, USC, and Florida State. And that's just the first day. I'm sure others will call."

During a television interview a few days after Sutton’s comments, Beasley said he remained committed to Kansas State, but seemingly left the door slightly open to the possibility that he would suit up for another school next season, only putting the commitment at “70 percent.”

His mother, who said she is looking forward to a summer move to Manhattan after her younger children finish the current school year, said not to worry.

“Michael’s really witty with his words,” Smith said on Monday. “Keep asking him something over and over again, and he’ll change his answer, just to keep things in an uproar.

“He’s a prankster. He entertains people. He keeps people talking. Why he does it, I don’t know, because it’s a headache to me, but he just entertains.”

Beasley’s unofficial continued recruitment, however, is not a source of entertainment for K-State Athletic Director Tim Weiser, who has stood fast in his stance of making players honor their signed letter of intent and said doing so is “protecting our investment.”

It is believed that Weiser is exploring filing a grievance with the NCAA against one or more schools for their actions.

Rivals.com Basketball Recruiting Analyst Jerry Meyer said what has transpired with Beasley and Sutton is merely a regular part of the dirty recruiting game.

“It’s an assumption, but yes, Huggins tried to take at least some of those guys with him,” said Meyer, who spent last weekend covering an AAU tournament in Arkansas. “There was talk there about other coaches who were contacting those kids trying to get them.

“I think, in this business, it’s just understood that’s what is going to happen,” Meyer said. “There is the letter of the law, the spirit of the law and then a whole lot of gray. Recruiting takes place in the gray.

“People who follow recruiting and have been involved with it just understand that things like that happen. It doesn’t surprise me, and I hardly bat an eyelash to it. That’s just sort of the way it works.”

Huggins’ and others’ attempts apparently didn’t work, however. Since K-State announced last Friday that Frank Martin would become the new head coach, all four members of the Rivals.com top-ranked recruiting class (Beasley, Sutton, point guard Jacob Pullen and shooting guard Fred Brown) have stated they will honor their commitment.

“Kansas State was going to do whatever it took to keep that No. 1 recruiting class intact,” Meyer said. “So, my money was on what happened. Frank Martin would get the job in order to retain Dalonte Hill. He’s the key piece to this whole puzzle.

“Wherever he went, that’s where Beasley was going to go, and more than likely Dominique Sutton.”

Perhaps a bit larger surprise came Monday as it was revealed that strength-and-conditioning coach Scott Greenawalt, a Huggins hire whose work paid immediate dividends for Wildcats such as David Hoskins and Cartier Martin, will remain at K-State.

That announcement means it appears the only ones to make the move to West Virginia will be assistant Erik Martin, a former Cincinnati Bearcat player under Huggins, and K-State intern Josh Eilert, who will take over as Director of Basketball Operations.

Like it or loathe it, send your comments to: [email protected]
 

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Looks like K State may file a grievance against WVU, and possibly 3 other schools for contacting recruits who had signed LOI's to K State.

http://www.810whb.com/scripts/archives/getStory.asp?article=14386

Huggins Wanted Staff, Recruits With Him at West Virginia
By: Curtis Kitchen, Sports Radio 810 Staff

(April 10, 2007) – Bob Huggins, it turns out, thought what he had working at Kansas State was so good he wanted to take it with him to West Virginia.

On Monday, new Kansas State associate head coach Dalonte Hill told Sports Radio 810 WHB’s Kevin Kietzman that Huggins extended the offer to join him in Morgantown to “every one of us,” in reference to the coaching staff.

Huggins’ contact didn’t stop with the coaches according to one Kansas State signee’s mother.

“I don’t know the exact content,” said Fatima Smith, the mother of Michael Beasley. “I don’t know exactly when the contact happened, but yeah, we talked. We discussed (Huggins’) decision and things like that.

“I guess (making contact) was the right thing to do for Bob since he was a big part of the recruiting process. Michael sent him on with his well wishes.”

According to the Collegiate Commissioners Association, which administers the Letter of Intent program for the NCAA (but leaves daily administrative duties to the Southeastern Conference), if Huggins did simply make a courtesy call to Beasley’s family notifying them of his decision to leave, he technically did nothing illegal as long as there was no attempt to recruit Beasley.

"All colleges and universities that participate in the NLI (national letter of intent) program agree to not recruit a prospective student-athlete once he/she signs an NLI with another college or university,” the CCA’s Web site said. “Therefore, a prospective student-athlete who signs an NLI should no longer receive recruiting contacts and calls."

Fellow K-State signee Dominique Sutton told the Manhattan Mercury last week that calls made from multiple schools to Beasley began almost immediately after Huggins’ departure, and they weren’t just wishing the pair K-State success.

“(Beasley) said there are three schools we could fit in — he talked to them already, N.C. State, USC, and Florida State. And that's just the first day. I'm sure others will call."

During a television interview a few days after Sutton’s comments, Beasley said he remained committed to Kansas State, but seemingly left the door slightly open to the possibility that he would suit up for another school next season, only putting the commitment at “70 percent.”

His mother, who said she is looking forward to a summer move to Manhattan after her younger children finish the current school year, said not to worry.

“Michael’s really witty with his words,” Smith said on Monday. “Keep asking him something over and over again, and he’ll change his answer, just to keep things in an uproar.

“He’s a prankster. He entertains people. He keeps people talking. Why he does it, I don’t know, because it’s a headache to me, but he just entertains.”

Beasley’s unofficial continued recruitment, however, is not a source of entertainment for K-State Athletic Director Tim Weiser, who has stood fast in his stance of making players honor their signed letter of intent and said doing so is “protecting our investment.”

It is believed that Weiser is exploring filing a grievance with the NCAA against one or more schools for their actions.

Rivals.com Basketball Recruiting Analyst Jerry Meyer said what has transpired with Beasley and Sutton is merely a regular part of the dirty recruiting game.

“It’s an assumption, but yes, Huggins tried to take at least some of those guys with him,” said Meyer, who spent last weekend covering an AAU tournament in Arkansas. “There was talk there about other coaches who were contacting those kids trying to get them.

“I think, in this business, it’s just understood that’s what is going to happen,” Meyer said. “There is the letter of the law, the spirit of the law and then a whole lot of gray. Recruiting takes place in the gray.

“People who follow recruiting and have been involved with it just understand that things like that happen. It doesn’t surprise me, and I hardly bat an eyelash to it. That’s just sort of the way it works.”

Huggins’ and others’ attempts apparently didn’t work, however. Since K-State announced last Friday that Frank Martin would become the new head coach, all four members of the Rivals.com top-ranked recruiting class (Beasley, Sutton, point guard Jacob Pullen and shooting guard Fred Brown) have stated they will honor their commitment.

“Kansas State was going to do whatever it took to keep that No. 1 recruiting class intact,” Meyer said. “So, my money was on what happened. Frank Martin would get the job in order to retain Dalonte Hill. He’s the key piece to this whole puzzle.

“Wherever he went, that’s where Beasley was going to go, and more than likely Dominique Sutton.”

Perhaps a bit larger surprise came Monday as it was revealed that strength-and-conditioning coach Scott Greenawalt, a Huggins hire whose work paid immediate dividends for Wildcats such as David Hoskins and Cartier Martin, will remain at K-State.

That announcement means it appears the only ones to make the move to West Virginia will be assistant Erik Martin, a former Cincinnati Bearcat player under Huggins, and K-State intern Josh Eilert, who will take over as Director of Basketball Operations.

Like it or loathe it, send your comments to: [email protected]


Thats kinda weak. Every school does it and every coach does it. Its the game they play. KState is beginning to look like sour grapes and they should just move on already. You think they promoted Dalante Hill because of the good job he is doing? puhhlease.
 

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I heard somewhere, I think it was on Fox Sports Radio, that when Frank Martin was a high school coach in Miami his program was investigated and the investigators said it was the most corrupt they had ever seen. Martin won't last at K-State more than a year, IMO.

What a mess for them, but that's what you get when you sell your soul for wins.

That is kinda Naive dont you think? If you as coach or AD don't participate in this game, you lose your job, your livlihood, and possibly your career. It would be nice if everyone played by the rules, but that isnt the way it is. Kstate, WVU, Cincy, FIU, UofM, are no different in the way they handle recruiting then most other schools..
 

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Thats kinda weak. Every school does it and every coach does it. Its the game they play. KState is beginning to look like sour grapes and they should just move on already. You think they promoted Dalante Hill because of the good job he is doing? puhhlease.

To me the funniest part of that story is Michael Beasley's mom pointing out what a complete jackass her son is. If you ask him something enough he'll change his opinion just to fan the flames etc.

He's the guy that was kicked out of Oak Hill because he kept signing his autograph all over school property in permanent markers. When the coach told him don't do it again or you're gone, he signed his name on the door of the principal's truck. That's why he went to Notre Dame Prep.

I agree wtih Huggins, as long as he was smart enough to say he was just doing them the courtesy of telling them in person, it's not a violation.

The question is was Sutton telling the truth about the 3 schools he says called him, if he was, all 3 of them violated a recruiting rule and people get hit with that all the time. UW got hit for that a few years ago when Cameron Dollar had contact during dead periods and called recruits who were committed to other schools. That's why Josh Heytvelt went to Gonzaga, he wanted to go to UW originally but after the improper contact it was ruled they couldn't sign him.
 

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That is kinda Naive dont you think? If you as coach or AD don't participate in this game, you lose your job, your livlihood, and possibly your career. It would be nice if everyone played by the rules, but that isnt the way it is. Kstate, WVU, Cincy, FIU, UofM, are no different in the way they handle recruiting then most other schools..

Lute Olson doesn't break the rules and he's been more successful than Bob Huggins could ever dream of being. No offense, but that attitude is what's wrong with big time inter-collegiate athletics, IMO. Cheating is "okay" because "everybody does it".

Well, everybody doesn't do it and there are guys out there who still win the right way.
 

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Lute Olson doesn't break the rules and he's been more successful than Bob Huggins could ever dream of being. No offense, but that attitude is what's wrong with big time inter-collegiate athletics, IMO. Cheating is "okay" because "everybody does it".

Well, everybody doesn't do it and there are guys out there who still win the right way.

And you are 100% sure that Lute is always ethical? That he never bends/breaks any rules?
 

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And you are 100% sure that Lute is always ethical? That he never bends/breaks any rules?

What is that supposed to mean? Of course not. I'm not even 100% sure that I'm really here. This could all be a dream. Lute has never been investigated or accused of wrongdoing that I'm aware of.

That is all I can go on. I'm not a mind reader. What's your point? Are you in the "everybody does it" camp?
 

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Lute Olson, like pretty much every other head coach in the country isn't perfect when it comes to this stuff, but the Bob Huggins, Jerry Tarkanians, and Frank Martins of college basketball make them look like Jesus' disciples.

Ignore Jon on anything Lute-related, he's still bitter we won't play a road game at NAU.
 

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I heard somewhere, I think it was on Fox Sports Radio, that when Frank Martin was a high school coach in Miami his program was investigated and the investigators said it was the most corrupt they had ever seen. Martin won't last at K-State more than a year, IMO.

What a mess for them, but that's what you get when you sell your soul for wins.

K-State will ride Frank Martin back into the top 20 and the NCAA tournament with nary an academic suspension.

Remember Bill Snyder? He "recruited" and kept guys elligible who flunked first grade (very sleight exaggeration.)

So what? I no longer care who cheats. As long as the school attempts to educate the kids, that's good enough.
 
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Lute Olson doesn't break the rules and he's been more successful than Bob Huggins could ever dream of being. No offense, but that attitude is what's wrong with big time inter-collegiate athletics, IMO. Cheating is "okay" because "everybody does it".

Well, everybody doesn't do it and there are guys out there who still win the right way.


None taken. I still think that way of thinking is a little naive. There is black, there is white, and then there are many shades of gray.

I never said it was "OK" just the reality of today's college sports
 

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None taken. I still think that way of thinking is a little naive. There is black, there is white, and then there are many shades of gray.

I never said it was "OK" just the reality of today's college sports

Yeah, with the NCAA rule book about as big as the L.A. phone book I'm sure just about every coach has broken a rule at one time or another. I think coaches like Olson and others make a conscious effort to stay within the rules and then there are others like Huggins, Penders, Harrick etc. who only try not to get caught.

Maybe I am naive when there is so much money at stake nowadays. It is just kind of nauseating though when guys like Huggins get so much fanfare when they come to town.

I threw up in my mouth a little when the governor of West Virginia said he wanted to be there to welcome Huggins when he got to Morgantown. Just sends a bad message to the youth of today.
 

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Lute Olson doesn't break the rules and he's been more successful than Bob Huggins could ever dream of being. No offense, but that attitude is what's wrong with big time inter-collegiate athletics, IMO. Cheating is "okay" because "everybody does it".

Well, everybody doesn't do it and there are guys out there who still win the right way.

Renz I am an UA diehard but i have to burst your utopic bubble. When I went to school there Jason Gardner had and Infiniti and Loren Woods, RJ, and Mike Wright drove SUV's. Gilbert had a nice car too.

They might have stayed within the NCAA "rules" by offering low priced leases by a car sponser for the team but technically any big time athlete gets some kind of perks playing at a big school....

I'm not saying its right but its a cutthroat game with millions of dollars on the line. To borrow a famous line - it is what it is.....

Every school that isn't jesuit or Ivy league is playing the system to its fullest limit....and selling their soul in a little way in the process...
 

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Renz I am an UA diehard but i have to burst your utopic bubble. When I went to school there Jason Gardner had and Infiniti and Loren Woods, RJ, and Mike Wright drove SUV's. Gilbert had a nice car too.

They might have stayed within the NCAA "rules" by offering low priced leases by a car sponser for the team but technically any big time athlete gets some kind of perks playing at a big school....

I'm not saying its right but its a cutthroat game with millions of dollars on the line. To borrow a famous line - it is what it is.....

Every school that isn't jesuit or Ivy league is playing the system to its fullest limit....and selling their soul in a little way in the process...


Not sure if I agree with the Jesuit school free pass.


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I'm with Wally. Georgetown cheated big time with Allen Iverson (illiterate punk), David Wingate (rapist), Reggie Williams, Pat Ewing, and the freshman power forward who helped them win their only title before being kicked out for criminal activity.
 

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I'm with Wally. Georgetown cheated big time with Allen Iverson (illiterate punk), David Wingate (rapist), Reggie Williams, Pat Ewing, and the freshman power forward who helped them win their only title before being kicked out for criminal activity.

Michael Graham who reportedly could not read when he transferred.
 

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Michael Graham who reportedly could not read when he transferred.

That's the guy. You have amazing recall, Russ.

My dad, a brother and a sister went to Georgetown. My dad refused to believe Georgetown was cheating under John Thompson even though both my brother and sister told him time and again they were sure of the cheating.
 
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