Bob Melvin getting an extension

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Right now probably isn't the best time to get rational responses.
 

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Uhm, right now I am in favor of trading Mark Reynolds for a bag of chips and a 6-pack of Mountain Dew. So...
 

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I have been barfing up crow feathers all evening at the game and on the drive home, so I am certainly the wrongest of all people to ask. What a freaking idiot. "You leave your closer in until he gives up a run." NOT IN THE POSTSEASON EXTRA INNINGS MUST WIN GAME!

He pitches a second full inning which he NEVER does, because YOU never thought about double switches up to that point, he shows absolute lack of command and you don't even have someone READY to step in immediately, and THIS IS THE DAMN POST-SEASON BOB, IT'S DIFFERENT, NOT 'JUST ANOTHER GAME.' What a freaking doofus.

The whole 'anybody anytime' thing has a significant downside -- if no one feels a sense of responsibility, they apparently don't recognize their mistakes. Mark Reynolds being interviewed seemed to have NO real concept that he is batting like a 4-year-old in T-ball. ' "We" need to put together at-bats.' Not "I have batted terribly, and since I can't really hit a ball to Flagstaff, I should stop trying." Drew doesn't say "I made an idiot base-running goof a rookie shouldn't make" -- "We" just need to buckle down and grind out another game. Young picked a bad time to steal, but hey, it's not anything he feels responsible for.
 

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What is the hurry to Extend?

He's under contract next year and has a club option year. I think there are still serious questions about how good Melvin is. The decision to extend Valverde beyond 1 inning where there was no history or track record. The indecision about pulling Valverde before he walked the bases loaded. The flat emotional state this team played at on the opening game after days to prepare and rest. The lack of execution of fundamentals such as baserunning, fielding, bunting, and moving runners over. How about complete idiotic lack of patience batting. I forget if it was Reynolds or Young but one of tthem swung three straight times and missed on pitches in the left hand batters box.

I am tired of hearing how young AZ is because the pitcher and SS for Colorado are rookies and have eaten our lunch. Hawpe and Holliday are young as well. Hurtle obviously teaches his guys better than Melvin since they execute the little things. Their pitchers seem to be able to get behind 3-0 and still throw strikes while ours go 0-2 and walk batters.

Drew looked like he was in a coma out there and frankly someone should get pulled when they make a bonehead play like that and it should happen no matter who they are. Melvin has the same stupid stare on his face his players have and this team looks lifeless and with no fire. Who wants 5 more years of Melvin? I think he needs more than one season to warrant an extension.
 
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He's under contract next year and has a club option year. I think there are still serious questions about how good Melvin is. The decision to extend Valverde beyond 1 inning where there was no history or track record. The indecision about pulling Valverde before he walked the bases loaded. The flat emotional state this team played at on the opening game after days to prepare and rest. The lack of execution of fundamentals such as baserunning, fielding, bunting, and moving runners over. How about complete idiotic lack of patience batting. I forget if it was Reynolds or Young but one of tthem swung three straight times and missed on pitches in the left hand batters box.

I am tired of hearing how young AZ is because the pitcher and SS for Colorado are rookies and have eaten our lunch. Hawpe and Holliday are young as well. Hurtle obviously teaches his guys better than Melvin since they execute the little things. Their pitchers seem to be able to get behind 3-0 and still throw strikes while ours go 0-2 and walk batters.

Drew looked like he was in a coma out there and frankly someone should get pulled when they make a bonehead play like that and it should happen no matter who they are. Melvin has the same stupid stare on his face his players have and this team looks lifeless and with no fire. Who wants 5 more years of Melvin? I think he needs more than one season to warrant an extension.

With a 25 man roster, the bullpen was being taxed. We didn't have that many arms left in the pen, outside of starters. If we brought in another arm to get one out, the pitcher's spot would be due up the next inning, so we wouldn't get much distance out of yet another reliever, and then our arms would really be short. If he could just squeeze one more out from Valverde, it would have set up nicely for the next batting cycle.

That being said, he could have also made a double-switch to get more juice out of the next reliever. That would have been my suggestion.

Once we had 2 on and 2 out, I would have pulled the big guy. Give the next reliever a little breathing room.

Melvin is a good manager, and just like Sweet Lou, he will make a few mistakes along the way. As long as the Rockies continue to lucky dribbler hits and unearned runs, I don't think any managerial decisions can slow them down.

The loss sucks, but we weren't even supposed to be here. Let's see if our guys can continue to show great character and battle back.
 

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With a 25 man roster, the bullpen was being taxed. We didn't have that many arms left in the pen, outside of starters. If we brought in another arm to get one out, the pitcher's spot would be due up the next inning, so we wouldn't get much distance out of yet another reliever, and then our arms would really be short. If he could just squeeze one more out from Valverde, it would have set up nicely for the next batting cycle.

That being said, he could have also made a double-switch to get more juice out of the next reliever. That would have been my suggestion.

Once we had 2 on and 2 out, I would have pulled the big guy. Give the next reliever a little breathing room.

Melvin is a good manager, and just like Sweet Lou, he will make a few mistakes along the way. As long as the Rockies continue to lucky dribbler hits and unearned runs, I don't think any managerial decisions can slow them down.

The loss sucks, but we weren't even supposed to be here. Let's see if our guys can continue to show great character and battle back.

Exactly. It didn't help that Davis only went 5 2/3 or 6, forget when he went out but we brought in basically every reliever in Cruz, Pena, Slaten, & Valverde. He simply ran out of options in the last couple of innings.
 

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We in the stands could SEE those options running out a couple innings ahead -- why couldn't he?
 

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the other question is why UPTON, He has done nothing for the last few weeks while Carlos Quinton is sitting in the bench. Carlos is much bettar feilder and I think is better at the plate. He could have pulled
Valverde and did a double switch with Quinton. He hasn't been aggressive at all, no base stealing and no bunting to move a runner, no hit and run, no nothing.

HE IS BEING TOTALLY OUT MANAGED

He doesn't deserve an extension.

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He took this team to the NLCS which is a lot farther than most thought they'd get. Probably a year early. This playoff experience will help greatly in the coming years. Not enough can be said for teams getting this far when they are young and have playoffs ahead of them in the coming years.

Bring in some pitching, let these guys develop more and their experience this year will be very valuable.

I like him getting the extension...maybe he'll grow as a manager too, finding out that he can make horrid postseason mistakes and realize that the playoffs are a different beast.
 

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the other question is why UPTON, He has done nothing for the last few weeks while Carlos Quinton is sitting in the bench. Carlos is much bettar feilder and I think is better at the plate. He could have pulled
Valverde and did a double switch with Quinton. He hasn't been aggressive at all, no base stealing and no bunting to move a runner, no hit and run, no nothing.

HE IS BEING TOTALLY OUT MANAGED

He doesn't deserve an extension.

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First off, Carlos Quentin isn't on the postseason roster (and technically there's nobody named "Carlos Quinton" in the Diamondbacks system at all) so no, he isn't available on the bench. Secondly, Quentin had shoulder surgery last Tuesday and is out until possibly after Spring Training.
 

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My biggest beef is with the way he uses Cruz. He has a guy that is basically a starter, and he only goes one inning at a time. Why not let him go a little longer and push back the time when you have to start using the set up guys and the closer?
 

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First off, Carlos Quentin isn't on the postseason roster (and technically there's nobody named "Carlos Quinton" in the Diamondbacks system at all) so no, he isn't available on the bench. Secondly, Quentin had shoulder surgery last Tuesday and is out until possibly after Spring Training.


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Melvin is a good manager, and just like Sweet Lou, he will make a few mistakes along the way.
Bob Melvin is a players' manager. Probably not so much by design, but because he has an extremely weak personality.

Our young players' stats during the season and our performance in this series show that the team needs a strong manager for the long run. But I guess it's too late now.

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As long as the Rockies continue to lucky dribbler hits and unearned runs, I don't think any managerial decisions can slow them down.
A manager doesn't sustain consistency by living in a world of things happening to him, rather than making things happen.

Fans shouldn't either.
 

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Mark Reynolds being interviewed seemed to have NO real concept that he is batting like a 4-year-old in T-ball. ' "We" need to put together at-bats.' Not "I have batted terribly, and since I can't really hit a ball to Flagstaff, I should stop trying."
Are you blaming Mark Reynolds for this? He's doing what Management expects of him. We've been saying it ever since he came up.

When are we going to hold Management responsible for Managing, instead of young call-ups?
 

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With a 25 man roster, the bullpen was being taxed. We didn't have that many arms left in the pen, outside of starters. If we brought in another arm to get one out, the pitcher's spot would be due up the next inning, so we wouldn't get much distance out of yet another reliever, and then our arms would really be short. If he could just squeeze one more out from Valverde, it would have set up nicely for the next batting cycle.

That being said, he could have also made a double-switch to get more juice out of the next reliever. That would have been my suggestion.

Once we had 2 on and 2 out, I would have pulled the big guy. Give the next reliever a little breathing room.

Melvin is a good manager, and just like Sweet Lou, he will make a few mistakes along the way. As long as the Rockies continue to lucky dribbler hits and unearned runs, I don't think any managerial decisions can slow them down.

The loss sucks, but we weren't even supposed to be here. Let's see if our guys can continue to show great character and battle back.

He certainly could have thrown 2 or 3 innings. Sorry, I don't agree.
 

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Quentin had surgery

the other question is why UPTON, He has done nothing for the last few weeks while Carlos Quinton is sitting in the bench. Carlos is much bettar feilder and I think is better at the plate. He could have pulled
Valverde and did a double switch with Quinton. He hasn't been aggressive at all, no base stealing and no bunting to move a runner, no hit and run, no nothing.

HE IS BEING TOTALLY OUT MANAGED

He doesn't deserve an extension.

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He had season ending shoulder surgery
 

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Probably not so much by design, but because he has an extremely weak personality.
Just because you keep repeating something doesn't make it any more true. What evidence is there to suggest he has an extremely weak personality? It goes against everything that those who actually know him state about him.
 

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yes, you could allll do it better, every one of you.

dude i dont care who you are..if youre pitching in the major leagues you should be able to pitch TWO damn innings. gimme a break.
 

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yes, you could allll do it better, every one of you.

dude i dont care who you are..if youre pitching in the major leagues you should be able to pitch TWO damn innings. gimme a break.
True, but when you see him out there struggling to find the strike zone all inning, one would think or I at least hope, that he is pretty much toast and needs to be pulled. He did his job for an inning, that's all he is good for 99% of the time. Yank him next time, Bob.
 

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First off, Carlos Quentin isn't on the postseason roster (and technically there's nobody named "Carlos Quinton" in the Diamondbacks system at all) so no, he isn't available on the bench. Secondly, Quentin had shoulder surgery last Tuesday and is out until possibly after Spring Training.


didn't know that he had surgery.
 

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yes, you could allll do it better, every one of you.
Your evaluating a Manager's performance compared to what a fan could do says it all.

As the old joke goes, by his Father, he's a Manager. By his Mother, he's a Manager. But by a Manager . . . he's no Manager. :D
 
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