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Hypothetical: Luis Gonzalez went from a career high of 15 home runs prior to 1997, to 23 in '98 with the Tigers, then 26 in '99 with the D-backs, then 31 in 2000 and 57 in 2001. His homer numbers increased dramatically right around the time this was allegedly starting.

So, if it is ever made clear that Gonzo also juiced, those of you who are calling for Bonds' head are also more than happy to give up the 2001 World Championship, correct?
 

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Homer Simpson said:
Hypothetical: Luis Gonzalez went from a career high of 15 home runs prior to 1997, to 23 in '98 with the Tigers, then 26 in '99 with the D-backs, then 31 in 2000 and 57 in 2001. His homer numbers increased dramatically right around the time this was allegedly starting.

So, if it is ever made clear that Gonzo also juiced, those of you who are calling for Bonds' head are also more than happy to give up the 2001 World Championship, correct?

Matt Williams and Durazo also?
 

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Homer Simpson said:
Hypothetical: Luis Gonzalez went from a career high of 15 home runs prior to 1997, to 23 in '98 with the Tigers, then 26 in '99 with the D-backs, then 31 in 2000 and 57 in 2001. His homer numbers increased dramatically right around the time this was allegedly starting.

So, if it is ever made clear that Gonzo also juiced, those of you who are calling for Bonds' head are also more than happy to give up the 2001 World Championship, correct?

No, but you can force Gonzo to retire and fine him for everything he is worth as far as I care.
 

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Matt Williams and Durazo also?

Probably. I'm also thinking of Steve Finley and Jay Bell (although he didn't do much for the 2001 team) and (believe it or not) Randy Johnson.

I mean, both Finley and Gonzo were light hitting guys before they got to AZ. Well, Finley started in the few years before he go to AZ, hitting 30 in 1996 and 28 in 1997.

BTW, I really don't care who did steroids. Doesn't bother me at all.
 

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Is Barry Bonds even going to see a pitch to hit this year?? The DBACKS should just walk him everytime.

His knee are to craps............put him on base and let somebody else hit the HR to bring him home.
 

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Is Barry Bonds even going to see a pitch to hit this year?? The DBACKS should just walk him everytime.

His knee are to craps............put him on base and let somebody else hit the HR to bring him home.

Thats exactly what teams are going to do with Bonds. There gonna give him 1B and he won't be able to score unless there are consecutive hits or a home run. I guess his main problem is deaccelerating (if that is a word) so he should be very tentative to run all out. As for Fins and Bell juicing, I find that hard to believe. Finley maybe but his figure never changed throughout the years and his production has been fairly stable. Jay bell no way. He wore glasses for crying out loud, he's prob never even heard of steroids.
 

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After all of Gonzo's repeated comments about how bad steroids are and how he adamantly denies having used them--I would probably never watch baseball again if it ever comes out that he used them. Ever. It would be like telling me the Easter Bunny has his eggs colored by children in sweatshops overseas.
 

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Linderbee said:
After all of Gonzo's repeated comments about how bad steroids are and how he adamantly denies having used them--I would probably never watch baseball again if it ever comes out that he used them. Ever. It would be like telling me the Easter Bunny has his eggs colored by children in sweatshops overseas.

Get ready to stop watching baseball....I'd be surprised if his 2001 season wasn't juiced.
 

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Get ready to stop watching baseball....I'd be surprised if his 2001 season wasn't juiced.

I don't think people should go to the extent of not watching baseball because of steroids. True, Bud Selig would have never done anything unless Conseco hadn't of wrote Juiced which got Congress involved. MLB is taking the necessary steps to clean up the game. It is a shame to all the players Bonds has passed in the all time HR race. If Selig wants to save face, he will get a third party to come in and investigate the Bonds situation which will lead to hundreds of others being exposed as well. Selig turned a blind eye to this situation for 15+ years so there is no way he or anyone else affiliated with MLB should conduct this "investigation." IMO, Selig should step down as this steroid scandal hasn't even got messy yet. Congress needs to step in and conduct the investigation which will lead to Selig being removed as commish anyways. He and the owners all were just as invloved as those putting the needles in their ass. What a slime ball. As for Bonds being juiced in 2001, he def was (according to the book). He started using Winstrol in 1998 during the offseason following the summer of Sammy and McGwire. That was just the start of it- the winstrol led to female fertiltity drugs that he consumed to improve his eyesight and cattle steroids which strengthened his muscles. HGH, Cream and the Clear........... It's never ending
 

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I think it would be fun to go to a Giants game and "moo" Barry's every move.
 

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I think it would be fun to go to a Giants game and "moo" Barry's every move.

No kidding! If he can't run the bases because he scared to "deaccelerate" how does he expect to play LF?? It could be a real circus in San Fran this year with him Grazing LF!
 

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I think it would be fun to go to a Giants game and "moo" Barry's every move.

It will be fun. That's why I'm following the Giants the next two days. Saturday at Phoenix Muni. Sunday at home in Scottsdale against the Padres.
 

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Thats exactly what teams are going to do with Bonds. There gonna give him 1B and he won't be able to score unless there are consecutive hits or a home run. I guess his main problem is deaccelerating (if that is a word) so he should be very tentative to run all out. As for Fins and Bell juicing, I find that hard to believe. Finley maybe but his figure never changed throughout the years and his production has been fairly stable. Jay bell no way. He wore glasses for crying out loud, he's prob never even heard of steroids.

Steroids don't always make you bigger. In fact, I'm not sure if steroids directly will make you bigger, as one of the biggest benefits of steroids is the quicker recovery time that allows you to work out longer, harder, and more often. So the lack of change in Finley's body would not be evidence against. Not that I have much evidence that he did use steroids, mind you, I was only suggesting that his increased power later in his career makes me wonder. After the 1995 season, his career high was 11 homers, and he was 30 years old. Before the age of 31, he only reached double digits in home runs twice, and had 47 total home runs.

Since then, he has 7 seasons with 20 or more home runs, including 4 of 30+. Obviously, he was helped somewhat by ballpark changes, but that is still a staggering jump.

BTW, I get the feeling that Bell has heard of steroids.

I also don't really care if any of these players were using steroids or not. We're always harping on them to improve their game, and they go and do it, and we get mad at them? Twenty years from now there will be legal drugs that are more effective than any steroids any of these guys have used.

The cow mooing idea is hilarious, BTW
 

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Another thing I thought of, besides the cow mooing thing, would be, at a game, when Bonds hits a home run, have the Jumbotron play the clip from "Dumb and Dumber" when Jim Carrey says "He must work out!" as Bonds is rounding the bases.

BTW, I don't care as much about steroids as a lot of people, but I think any mocking is acceptable and hilarious.
 

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Bonds to Sue Authors of Steroids Book

Bonds to Sue Authors of Steroids Book

By JUSTIN M. NORTON, Associated Press Writer 56 minutes ago

SAN FRANCISCO - Barry Bonds plans to sue the authors and publisher of a book that alleges the
San Francisco Giants' slugger used steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs, saying they used "illegally obtained" grand jury transcripts.


Bonds' attorneys sent a letter Thursday to an agent for the authors of "Game of Shadows," alerting them of plans to sue the writers, publisher Gotham Books, the San Francisco Chronicle and Sports Illustrated, which published excerpts this month.

The letter, signed by Alison Berry Wilkinson, an associate of Bonds' lead attorney, Michael Rains, was posted on the Chronicle's Web Site. A hearing was tentatively scheduled for Friday in San Francisco Superior Court.

"The reason we filed the lawsuit in the simplest terms possible is to prevent the authors from promoting themselves and profiting from illegal conduct," Rains told The Associated Press on Thursday.

He said laws prohibit people from possessing grand jury materials unless they are unsealed and said authors Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams, both also reporters for the Chronicle, "have made a complete farce of the criminal justice system."

The book, released Thursday, claims Bonds used steroids, human growth hormone, insulin and other banned substances for at least five seasons beginning in 1998.

"We certainly stand by our reporters and the reporting they did for us," Chronicle executive vice president and editor Phil Bronstein said. "Nothing that's happened will change that."

Bonds' legal team will ask a judge Friday to issue a temporary restraining order forfeiting all profits from publication and distribution, according to the letter. The lawyers plan to file the suit under California's unfair competition law.

The attorneys will ask a federal judge to initiate contempt proceedings for the use of "illegally obtained" grand jury transcripts the authors used in writing the book. Rains said profits should be forfeited because of that.

"What we're saying is, who are the real cheaters? They are the ones who are using these illegally obtained materials," Rains said.

Williams and Fainaru-Wada said the book will stand up to a court challenge.

"I don't know what the legal action they contemplate is," Williams said. "Gotham can speak to the legal issues, but the facts in our book are true and they will stand up to scrutiny."

"We fully stand behind our reporting of the book," Fainaru-Wada added.

Lisa Johnson, a spokeswoman for publisher Gotham Books, said the publisher supports both authors. "We at Gotham Books are shocked that Barry Bonds would take such a foolish step," she said. "Any respected First Amendment lawyer in America knows that his claim is nonsense."

Rains said Bonds will not comment directly on the lawsuit but strongly supports the case.

"Barry is doing fine," Rains said. "He's had a great spring as everyone knows. His bat speaks for himself and he's not going to speak on this action and this book."

The book also claims sluggers Jason Giambi and Gary Sheffield, both now with the
New York Yankees, also used performance-enhancing drugs.

Giambi was asked about Bonds' planned suit on Thursday at the Yankees' spring camp in Tampa, Fla.

"This is all news to me. I didn't know any more of this than what you guys know," Giambi said. "I've done what I had to do last year and I've gone forward. I handled it last year, gone forward and I'm worried about winning a
World Series now. It was the best thing I needed to do."

The book claims Giambi turned to performance-enhancing drugs because he felt pressured to please his perfectionist father. "I think it's pretty pathetic that they tried to drag my father into it," Giambi said.

Fainaru-Wada told the New York Daily News for a story published Friday that the book does not draw any connections between Giambi's use of performance-enhancing drugs and his relationship with his father.

"The notion that the book said that is not accurate at all," Fainaru-Wada told the newspaper. "It's not even close."

Fainaru-Wada said the book mentions Giambi's father only to give background to the slugger's career.

"His dad was part of telling who he is and why he was driven to succeed," Fainaru-Wada said. "The connection about his father being a reason he used steroids was not at all a part of that."

Sheffield would not comment on the book.

"I don't even talk about it," Sheffield said.


He's not saying the book is a pack of lies, just saying the " lies " were obtained illegally. If they were lies, why not sue for slander? Very telling IMHO.
 

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He's not saying the book is a pack of lies, just saying the " lies " were obtained illegally. If they were lies, why not sue for slander? Very telling IMHO.

Bonds isn't serious, this is all p.r. He doesn't have standing to sue regarding illegality--only the state can bring criminal charges. And if he brought a civil suit, he'd have to testify under oath. And it'd be a "coup" for the authors--they'd have subpoena power regarding BALCO, other major league players would have to testify under oath, etc... No way this happens.
 

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Bonds isn't serious, this is all p.r. He doesn't have standing to sue regarding illegality--only the state can bring criminal charges. And if he brought a civil suit, he'd have to testify under oath. And it'd be a "coup" for the authors--they'd have subpoena power regarding BALCO, other major league players would have to testify under oath, etc... No way this happens.

Cool. Now he can give chunks of money to his legal team. :thumbup:
 
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Kolobotomy said:
Bonds isn't serious, this is all p.r. He doesn't have standing to sue regarding illegality--only the state can bring criminal charges. And if he brought a civil suit, he'd have to testify under oath. And it'd be a "coup" for the authors--they'd have subpoena power regarding BALCO, other major league players would have to testify under oath, etc... No way this happens.

Exactly - no way Bonds wants to sue for Slander or Libel - he'd have to testify in public under oath.

And this suit will be quickly dismissed.
 

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Exactly - no way Bonds wants to sue for Slander or Libel - he'd have to testify in public under oath.

And this suit will be quickly dismissed.
Hell. Mr. Bonds had no problem lying to a grand jury, so why would he be bothered by a simple civil proceeding?:D
 

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Rick Reilly's SI column suggested the mooing, as well as have 25,000 fans show up at a ballpark with The Book, and all open it in unison when he comes up to the plate. I figure we ought to be good for something here -- after all, we cheerfully booed him right after his father died. For which I felt not a smidge of remorse, even when the national and local media called us uncivilized. I wasn't booing his father.

He can sue all he wants -- he still has a possible perjury charge and IRS charges hanging out there.

I agree with the idea of an independent investigator, although as SI said, if Selig finds enough to suspend BaBo for 'the good of the game' then it would go to an arbitrator -- which would theoretically put the player's union in the position of defending a cheater who withdrew from their marketing program to do his own PR thing. Bug would no doubt like that option.
 

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His case to stop the book/profits got thrown out, apparently. Poor Barry -- even the Bill of Rights is against him.
 

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His case to stop the book/profits got thrown out, apparently. Poor Barry -- even the Bill of Rights is against him.

Well, it is written on white paper
 

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IMO, the best thing to happen would be for Bonds to retire before he breaks Aaron's record. Hopefully, before he passes the Babe as well, but I don't see that happening.

Bud could suspend him, but there are too many ramifications for that. How can you suspend Barry for any more than ten games, when that is all guys like Palmeiro, Ryan Franklin, and Michael Morse got, when they actually were tested positive? As much as it stinks, you really cannot make up rules for one person based on their status.

As long as Bonds does not break Aaron's record, I think that we will get over this. He will retire, go into the Hall of Fame in a few years -- maybe not first ballot, but he will make it in -- and people will remember this era in its historical perspective.

As far as him not making the Hall of Fame, well, how can the same writers who voted for Paul Molitor (admitted cocaine abuser, though he did clean himself up) justify not voting for Bonds? You're basically saying this illegal drug is okay to use, but this one isn't.

Barry, for once, do the right thing and retire before you get to 755.
 

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