BOOKER & FULTZ

[Mainstreet]

I'm still thinking Fultz and Fox are the best two PGs in he draft.

 

[Sunburn]

I would have to find the article again, it was in some draft anaylsis article that broke down the PGs. If anyone has access to synergy stats you should be able to find it. Balls turnover rate in the pick and roll was ridiculous.

Slin anytime you make a sourced claim, you should post the source. Otherwise, the claim is not credible.

 

[sunsfan88]

I'm still thinking Fultz and Fox are the best two PGs in he draft.

Despite his non shooting ability, I'm starting to like Fox as well. Suns need someone like Beverly to be PG next to Booker and I think Fox can be that.

 

[pokerface]

I'm still thinking Fultz and Fox are the best two PGs in he draft.

Yep... Fox definitely is worth a hard look. If we fall in the draft he would be my first choice.

 

[Hoop Head]

I wonder how far Fox will fall, NBADraft.net has him at #4 right now and DraftExpress has him at #5. I don't think he's a top 5 pick but he'd be a good pick around 8, 9, or 10.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I wonder how far Fox will fall, NBADraft.net has him at #4 right now and DraftExpress has him at #5. I don't think he's a top 5 pick but he'd be a good pick around 8, 9, or 10.

He's a hard one to call IMO. If you believe he can keep the defense honest with his shot (mid-range and deep), he's a top 3 pick and arguably the best player in this class. If you believe his season long offensive struggles are not likely to change, he probably shouldn't go in the lottery.

 

[Mainstreet]

Despite his non shooting ability, I'm starting to like Fox as well. Suns need someone like Beverly to be PG next to Booker and I think Fox can be that.

I have made some bad calls in the draft but I don't think Fox will be one of them. This kid is very athletic, a solid PG, can play good defense and hit the mid-range shot. For me, it's not a leap to think this 19 year will just get better. His upside is off the charts.

I think Fox will far exceed Beverley in talent and be a star in his own right.

Hmm, I think I better put down whatever I'm taking.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yep... Fox definitely is worth a hard look. If we fall in the draft he would be my first choice.

This is providing Fox does not increase his value at he combine. I'd be very happy drafting Fox no matter where the Suns fall in the lottery. A trade down to get him would be extra sweet.

 

[Russ Smith]

I have made some bad calls in the draft but I don't think Fox will be one of them. This kid is very athletic, a solid PG, can play good defense and hit the mid-range shot. For me, it's not a leap to think this 19 year will just get better. His upside is off the charts.

I think Fox will far exceed Beverley in talent and be a star in his own right.

Hmm, I think I better put down whatever I'm taking.

FOX is just physically built to be a better player than Beverly eventually, seems taller and longer. If he can't get stronger that could hurt him and if he can't improve his shot.

The thing you love about him is he knows who he is and what he does well and he plays to his strengths.

You watch Utah last night and one of the key points in the game where the Warriors extended the lead was in part due to Exum getting off to a hot start inside and then forgetting who he was and taking the bait and shooting the 3's the Warriors dared him to shoot. he went 1-5, missed some long 2's as well and what had been a very positive early stint for him went South quickly. Fox strikes me as a kid who knows what he doesn't do well and that really helps.

 

[pokerface]

FOX is just physically built to be a better player than Beverly eventually, seems taller and longer. If he can't get stronger that could hurt him and if he can't improve his shot.

The thing you love about him is he knows who he is and what he does well and he plays to his strengths.

You watch Utah last night and one of the key points in the game where the Warriors extended the lead was in part due to Exum getting off to a hot start inside and then forgetting who he was and taking the bait and shooting the 3's the Warriors dared him to shoot. he went 1-5, missed some long 2's as well and what had been a very positive early stint for him went South quickly. Fox strikes me as a kid who knows what he doesn't do well and that really helps.

That's really a good point that we don't think about enough. It's what a player doesn't do is almost as important as what they do. I hate it when players don't know their limitations. A smarter player will usually stick to their strengths.

 

[Mainstreet]

FOX is just physically built to be a better player than Beverly eventually, seems taller and longer. If he can't get stronger that could hurt him and if he can't improve his shot.

The thing you love about him is he knows who he is and what he does well and he plays to his strengths.

You watch Utah last night and one of the key points in the game where the Warriors extended the lead was in part due to Exum getting off to a hot start inside and then forgetting who he was and taking the bait and shooting the 3's the Warriors dared him to shoot. he went 1-5, missed some long 2's as well and what had been a very positive early stint for him went South quickly. Fox strikes me as a kid who knows what he doesn't do well and that really helps.

We definitely agree on Fox.

 

[sunsfan88]

That's really a good point that we don't think about enough. It's what a player doesn't do is almost as important as what they do. I hate it when players don't know their limitations. A smarter player will usually stick to their strengths.

Brandon Knight is probably where this is most evident.

 

[pokerface]

Brandon Knight is probably where this is most evident.

The fans on his prior team had the same complaint

 

[JCSunsfan]

Ball has the ball in his hands a much shorter percentage of time than Fultz. He makes very quick decisions. I love that.

There is a lot to be said for both players. I would be happy with either one of them.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Brandon Knight is probably where this is most evident.

This is so true. If BK would just play within himself, he could still be very effective. He just plays like he thinks he Is WAY better than all his teammates. The team game goes out the window.

 

[GatorAZ]

Reserving a seat on the Smith over Fox fanwagon.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Reserving a seat on the Smith over Fox fanwagon.

Bring an extra pair of knees with you and I might join you. But I don't want to voluntarily go through our Bledsoe situation ever again. It's one thing if it happens to someone you're already committed too but investing a high pick in a player with his injury history is too risky IMO.

 

[Mainstreet]

Bring an extra pair of knees with you and I might join you. But I don't want to voluntarily go through our Bledsoe situation ever again. It's one thing if it happens to someone you're already committed too but investing a high pick in a player with his injury history is too risky IMO.

I agree, I do not want the Suns drafting Smith because of the knee situation. If it came down to that, I'd rather keep Bledsoe and draft another position.

 

[SirStefan32]

I agree with Steve and Mainstreet. There are so many good options this year that there is no reason to risk getting another injury-prone player.

 

[GatorAZ]

Bring an extra pair of knees with you and I might join you. But I don't want to voluntarily go through our Bledsoe situation ever again. It's one thing if it happens to someone you're already committed too but investing a high pick in a player with his injury history is too risky IMO.

It will be interesting to see if he's red-flagged like Noel was. Tbh I'm just not high on Fox at all. The game vs Lonzo really boosted his stock but ppl forget he was terrrible in the tourney other than that game. Being one of the worst shooting PG prospects in recent memory doesn't help. I see some tools but not top-5 worthy IMO.

 

[AzStevenCal]

It will be interesting to see if he's red-flagged like Noel was. Tbh I'm just not high on Fox at all. The game vs Lonzo really boosted his stock but ppl forget he was terrrible in the tourney other than that game. Being one of the worst shooting PG prospects in recent memory doesn't help. I see some tools but not top-5 worthy IMO.

Yeah, I have mixed feelings on him too. I watched him several times throughout the season and he was near the top of my "stay away from" list. But he shot a little better late in the season so I started vacillating on him. In the end, he's the kind of player I'd pass on but if the front office and coaching staff are sold, so am I.

 

[sunsfan88]

This is so true. If BK would just play within himself, he could still be very effective. He just plays like he thinks he Is WAY better than all his teammates. The team game goes out the window.

He has certain attributes that are actually good, he just doesn't know how to use it. For example, he's very athletic, good 3pt shooter and has a decent crossover. But he doesn't how to take advantage of that in games.

If he was a 19 year old player with like one year experience I would be stoked about the potential but when he's a 6th year player on his 3rd team, that goes away.

If a coach like Kerr or Pop had gotten a hold of him when he was younger and molded him their way then I think Knight wouldve been whole different player at this point in his career.

 

[JCSunsfan]

He has certain attributes that are actually good, he just doesn't know how to use it. For example, he's very athletic, good 3pt shooter and has a decent crossover. But he doesn't how to take advantage of that in games.

If he was a 19 year old player with like one year experience I would be stoked about the potential but when he's a 6th year player on his 3rd team, that goes away.

If a coach like Kerr or Pop had gotten a hold of him when he was younger and molded him their way then I think Knight wouldve been whole different player at this point in his career.

I think the key issue is that he does not play like he trusts his teammates.

 

[Matt L]

I have to say, if we have the 1st pick, i would prefer we pick Ball. If not, i would actually prefer we go Jackson out of Kansas and try to trade Bledsoe to get another top 7 pick and target Fox.

 

[sunsfan88]

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Looks like this may actually have a chance at becoming reality. Philly needs shooters so I assume Ariza is the one that would be traded out for Fultz & Muscala. Suns have the roster spot available to take on an additional player or two in a trade.

Fultz/Okobo/Melton
Booker/Daniels
Bridges/Jackson
Warren/Muscala
Ayton/Holmes

It's not too bad if Kokoskov can fix Fultz.