Booker injury

[Phrazbit]

I'm fine with pulling the rug, dumping the vets (or sitting them) when the time calls for it. However, the histrionics that we're not tanking hard enough 6 weeks into the season are what makes me roll my eyes. Last year we didn't begin to "tank" until after the all-star game and we finished with the 2nd worst record in the NBA.

I think it is very beneficial for our players development to play in competitive games, should they win with those young guys out there... so be it.

Case in point, the Bulls game. We won that game, we won with Chandler playing a mere 18 minutes and Monroe and Dudley not even leaving the bench... afterwards we had people going off about the "vets" ruining the tank. It was a debate so removed from the reality of what happened in that game that it made my head hurt.

They're going to pull the rug at some point and I don't know that we'll win a single game with Booker out. If I had to guess I'd still say our most likely spot in the standings at year's end will be the 3rd worst record. And unless Booker were to not play at all this season there was no way we were going to put up a worse record than that disaster of a Bulls roster.

 

[Phrazbit]

I ALSO think there’s an interesting misconception that many of you have about those of us that are what y’all call tankers . . . that we want the team to go out and INTENTIONALLY lose. I don’t think any of us has made that statement. I don’t think the players should be instructed to throw games. BUT what the front office didn’t last year, sit players, encourage the playing time of young guys, that increases the odds of losing, is fair game and a smart viable strategy. Yes we might appreciate, and a to some point even root for, the losses. But, ajd I could be wrong here, I don’t think any one of us has actually stated that the team should be directed to actually throw games.

They DID do that last year!

Seriously, am I taking crazy pills?! They sat a healthy Bledsoe and Chandler for the final few months, they finished with the 2nd worst record in the league despite not "tanking" until February. Ouchie... what you're arguing is a complete disconnect from reality.

 

[Mainstreet]

But you understand that the rules of the draft won’t allow you to win a lot of games and be rewarded with a high draft pick, right? I mean literally every game won, in some small incremental manner, decreases your percentage chance at a higher draft pick. Of course it seems dependent upon how those at the bottom are performing in relation to you, but the basic premise surely can any be disastrous ended. Right? So each game that you root them to win, if you’re rewarded with a win, places you some percentage of chance further away from being rewarded at years end with a higher draft pick.

I understand how the draft works. I'm just saying if the Suns play their youngsters they should be rewarded with a good draft... perhaps not the best draft pick but a good draft pick. I'm willing to live with that. If the Suns want to manipulate their roster to obtain a better draft pick, so be it. I'm going to root for the team they put on the court.

Perhaps where this argument gets confused, I do not believe my rooting for the Suns to win changes anything. So if you root for the Suns to lose, do you think it changes anything? I don't think so.

 

[BC867]

@BC867 here's another poster who agreed with Ouchie you attacked him.

Again, get some self-awareness. Coming out and attacking others then crying yourself the victim when others respond to your vitriol with your own is just weak.

You keep camouflaging the point. When Devin went down with the injury, I said to myself, "I hope none of the tanking proponents make light of his injury for the sake of their argument."

But that is exactly what happened. And I thought it was disrespectful behavior for a Suns fan on a Suns board. That was my reaction and I posted it.

It wasn't about tanking. It wasn't about Colangelo. Or any of the other things I've been accused of in this thread.

It was about what I considered (and consider) to be a tasteless comment immediately following a player's injury.

I don't expect everyone to have the same opinion, but I don't see how anyone could not realize that the comment was in bad taste.

Especially to the face of the franchise around whom the Suns marketing campaign has been based since his 70-point game during this 50th anniversary season.

If you're going to accuse me of anything, it should be of compassion. The picture of how Devin couldn't stand straight after a groin injury stayed in my mind.

BTW, this thread is entitled Booker Injury, not Tanking.

 

[Chaplin]

I ALSO think there’s an interesting misconception that many of you have about those of us that are what y’all call tankers . . . that we want the team to go out and INTENTIONALLY lose. I don’t think any of us has made that statement. I don’t think the players should be instructed to throw games. BUT what the front office didn’t last year, sit players, encourage the playing time of young guys, that increases the odds of losing, is fair game and a smart viable strategy. Yes we might appreciate, and a to some point even root for, the losses. But, ajd I could be wrong here, I don’t think any one of us has actually stated that the team should be directed to actually throw games.

Pokerface has stated it multiple times. If what you say is true, then why bring up tanking at all? The Suns are bad enough to lose unintentionally aren't they? In fact, that's what most, if not all, of us "non tankers" and "draft haters" have been saying.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

They DID do that last year!

Seriously, am I taking crazy pills?! They sat a healthy Bledsoe and Chandler for the final few months, they finished with the 2nd worst record in the league despite not "tanking" until February. Ouchie... what you're arguing is a complete disconnect from reality.

My phone is going a bit haywire with the auto correct function. That was suppose to say “did” not “didn’t.” I have not lost touch with reality.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I understand how the draft works. I'm just saying if the Suns play their youngsters they should be rewarded with a good draft... perhaps not the best draft pick but a good draft pick. I'm willing to live with that. If the Suns want to manipulate their roster to obtain a better draft pick, so be it. I'm going to root for the team they put on the court.

Perhaps where this argument gets confused, I do not believe my rooting for the Suns to win changes anything. So if you root for the Suns to lose, do you think it changes anything? I don't think so.

No, lol, we are on the same page on that point.

 

[pokerface]

They DID do that last year!

Seriously, am I taking crazy pills?! They sat a healthy Bledsoe and Chandler for the final few months, they finished with the 2nd worst record in the league despite not "tanking" until February. Ouchie... what you're arguing is a complete disconnect from reality.

Every season is unique. Just because something happened last season doesn't make it some standard. When it's an important draft like this and we have aged vets on our team I didn't see the point in having them hang around.

 

[Phrazbit]

Every season is unique. Just because something happened last season doesn't make it some standard. When it's an important draft like this and we have aged vets on our team I didn't see the point in having them hang around.

Fine, but you don't need to blow a gasket about it in December. We stink already, they're going to either trade the older players or shut them down by the all-star break, bet your balls on it and we probably won't win a game without Booker. We're going to finish with the 3rd or 4th worst record and very little in the way of playing over the hill vets marginal minutes over the next 6-8 weeks will change that.

Chill... the... hell... out... and stop throwing labels on everyone and putting words in their mouths. It's freaking stupid.

 

[Mainstreet]

No, lol, we are on the same page on that point.

I think we are on the same page anyway as much as we might think we are different.

At this point I would say, let's just have fun watching the Suns play but they are terrible.

It's hard to believe they can get worse.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Pokerface has stated it multiple times. If what you say is true, then why bring up tanking at all? The Suns are bad enough to lose unintentionally aren't they? In fact, that's what most, if not all, of us "non tankers" and "draft haters" have been saying.

Yeah I gotta say that I’m going to challenge you on that one, Chap. Poker has certainly rooted for, and applauded, losses, and certainly tries to come up with ways to cause more losses. But I challenge you to find one, much less multiple, posts where poker explicitly called for the players to actually throw a game.

A bunch of you keep bringing that up, but that’s not, nor has it ever been, what tanking is. Hinkie didn’t make his sixers team throw games intentionally. Rather tanking is working the roster or utilizing playing time in a manner to maximize the potential for a loss. It’s not actually throwing a game.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You keep camouflaging the point. When Devin went down with the injury, I said to myself, "I hope none of the tanking proponents make light of his injury for the sake of their argument."

But that is exactly what happened. And I thought it was disrespectful behavior for a Suns fan on a Suns board. That was my reaction and I posted it.

It wasn't about tanking. It wasn't about Colangelo. Or any of the other things I've been accused of in this thread.

It was about what I considered (and consider) to be a tasteless comment immediately following a player's injury.

I don't expect everyone to have the same opinion, but I don't see how anyone could not realize that the comment was in bad taste.

Especially to the face of the franchise around whom the Suns marketing campaign has been based since his 70-point game during this 50th anniversary season.

If you're going to accuse me of anything, it should be of compassion. The picture of how Devin couldn't stand straight after a groin injury stayed in my mind.

BTW, this thread is entitled Booker Injury, not Tanking.

YOU’RE doubling down on the personal attack on my character?!? Wow. Just wow. You’re a real piece of work.

NO F#%€£*ing where did I “make light” of his injury. In fact I didn’t address the freaking injury AT ALL. I addressed the impact his injury would have on the team and whether it would impact others thoughts on a topic of discussion. And you know what, other than imputing thoughts to me (incorrectly) and putting words in my mouth, how was what I said in “bad taste?!?” I can’t understand how the silence of the lack of supporters for your attacks on me can’t be deafening for you.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Chill... the... hell... out... and stop throwing labels on everyone and putting words in their mouths. It's freaking stupid.

This seems to be the way of the board lately. Sux.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You keep camouflaging the point. When Devin went down with the injury, I said to myself, "I hope none of the tanking proponents make light of his injury for the sake of their argument."

But that is exactly what happened. And I thought it was disrespectful behavior for a Suns fan on a Suns board. That was my reaction and I posted it.

This is called CONFIRMATION BIAS. You read into the question what you wanted to because you CAME INTO THE THREAD expecting it and then attacked Ouchie because of what you WANTED his question to be.

Now, take a step back for one second from yourself and what YOU brought into the thread and realize NO ONE else in the thread took Ouchie on like that. In fact, other posters (Phrazbit/JC) SPECIFICALLY said YOU had either crossed the line or "went off the rails".

Again, get some self-awareness and stop personally attacking others unless you want the same done to you. I'm not the only one accusing you of going off the rails and attacking.

 

[pokerface]

Fine, but you don't need to blow a gasket about it in December. We stink already, they're going to either trade the older players or shut them down by the all-star break, bet your balls on it and we probably won't win a game without Booker. We're going to finish with the 3rd or 4th worst record and very little in the way of playing over the hill vets marginal minutes over the next 6-8 weeks will change that.

Chill... the... hell... out... and stop throwing labels on everyone and putting words in their mouths. It's freaking stupid.

Maybe you should chill out too... I don't think I crossed any lines slamming you personally.

 

[pokerface]

Pokerface has stated it multiple times. If what you say is true, then why bring up tanking at all? The Suns are bad enough to lose unintentionally aren't they? In fact, that's what most, if not all, of us "non tankers" and "draft haters" have been saying.

This whole board talks about tanks and draft constantly. But as others have stated the suns aren't good right now so tank shouldn't be mentioned really. Its a non issue at the moment.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Yah know. I don’t even mind posters that are happy about losses. It’s the angry posts over wins that just really annoy me.

Of course. It’s a message board and you are free to post what you want. I just might have to use the ignore feature for my own peace of mind.

Anyway. Back to the topic. Looking forward to getting Booker back, but what his absence is showing is that we need another scorer.

TJ is not enough. I hate to say this, but it would be really nice to bring Brandon Knight off of the bench right now.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yah know. I don’t even mind posters that are happy about losses. It’s the angry posts over wins that just really annoy me.

Of course. It’s a message board and you are free to post what you want. I just might have to use the ignore feature for my own peace of mind.

Anyway. Back to the topic. Looking forward to getting Booker back, but what his absence is showing is that we need another scorer.

TJ is not enough. I hate to say this, but it would be really nice to bring Brandon Knight off of the bench right now.

The other night when Booker was sitting next to Knight I thought the same thing.

What brought us to such a lowly state.

Actually I'm willing to give Knight a fresh look next season.

Anyway the Suns will give Danuel House a try. He is supposed to be able to score. The Suns deserve some luck for a change.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Not sure what possess people to give their kids names that look like a misspelling. Feel bad for the guy. I once met a girl name Female (pronunciation rhymes with Tamale).

Anyway. Over that now. He actually looks like an interesting player. He has been touted as a 3 and D type. Seems like we have 3 or D's so it would be kind of nice to have.

 

[Mainstreet]

Not sure what possess people to give their kids names that look like a misspelling. Feel bad for the guy. I once met a girl name Female (pronunciation rhymes with Tamale).

It's good not to take chances.

 

[Errntknght]

Not sure what possess people to give their kids names that look like a misspelling. Feel bad for the guy.

Danuel is a fine phonetic spelling if your intention to make his name rhyme with Manuel. It could be an ancestral name.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Danuel is a fine phonetic spelling if your intention to make his name rhyme with Manuel. It could be an ancestral name.

Fair enough. Unkind assumption on my part.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It's good not to take chances.

In the case of this girl (an elementary school girl), someone asked her where her mother got her name. She said, "My mom said the hospital gave it to me."

 

[elindholm]

In the case of this girl (an elementary school girl), someone asked her where her mother got her name. She said, "My mom said the hospital gave it to me."

Ugh. If this is true, what it probably means is that the mother didn't know the word "female," saw that the hospital had indicated it on the birth certificate, and mistook it for an assigned name.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Ugh. If this is true, what it probably means is that the mother didn't know the word "female," saw that the hospital had indicated it on the birth certificate, and mistook it for an assigned name.

Yup.