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This is a problem if the source of the problem does not realize there was a problem this past season. Sheesh...
Boris Diaw interview
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Ouchie-Z-Clown
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you're right chap, stats aren't everything, however when they're combined with the actual individual observation of the game and both seem to come up lacking, that's pretty damning. diaw RARELY, if ever, made an impact on games, and DEFINITELY didn't impact the playoffs. that's not good enough. and to hear him make excuses instead of saying something along the lines of "we didn't make it to where we want to be and i'm a part of that" like amare and nash have said is infuriating.
nice that he was in the gym last week with amare. but since that time i think we've heard more about amare working on his game and being the gym and nary a word about boris doing the same . . . was he in the gym once and now gone back to his croissants? worries me . . .
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All I said is that it was a decent interview. And then people here preceded to totally rip him a new one, which isn't TOTALLY deserved. I also said I wanted him to be more aggressive as well!
I agree that the "getting used to Amare" excuse is long gone now--he needs to put up or shut up.
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WRONG
You called it a GREAT interview, and called people NASTY, then put words in my mouth!
Stop defending him if youre going to spin everything that is printed here.
Or wait, let me guess, "quoting yourself and others accurately isnt everything"
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i'd say calling someone a "coward", "french wuss" is pretty nasty. i don't agree with Chap about the interview, but i can see where he saw the other stuff.
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If coward is the strongest word I used to warrant being called nasty then you guys must use your adjectives as liberally as I do.
Diaw has certainly replaced Marion as the number one "good is not enough because of his salary" guy.
Obviously Boris did not say what people wanted to hear: he needs to get stronger, he needs more consistency on with his shot, needs to get more aggressive at going to the basket and fighting for loose ball, needs to get his foul shooting percentage up, and to fit into the team better.
Unfortunately, the interviewer didn't ask those questions and he did not volunteer his answers. He made some good points about how deceptive stats are but the interviewer didn't talk about the rest.
The flip side is that his assist totals would have been through the roof if Marion was a more consistent three point shooter. Diaw is a guy who needs the right kind of players arround him to be effective (which is why the Clipper rumor seems so weird). IMHO, D'Antoni messed up by trying to turn him into something he isn't rather than capitalize on his skills.
But he does need to work more on his strength and skills.
Obviously Boris did not say what people wanted to hear: he needs to get stronger, he needs more consistency on with his shot, needs to get more aggressive at going to the basket and fighting for loose ball, needs to get his foul shooting percentage up, and to fit into the team better.
Unfortunately, the interviewer didn't ask those questions and he did not volunteer his answers. He made some good points about how deceptive stats are but the interviewer didn't talk about the rest.
The flip side is that his assist totals would have been through the roof if Marion was a more consistent three point shooter. Diaw is a guy who needs the right kind of players arround him to be effective (which is why the Clipper rumor seems so weird). IMHO, D'Antoni messed up by trying to turn him into something he isn't rather than capitalize on his skills.
But he does need to work more on his strength and skills.
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my problem with the above is that Doris wasn't even "good" this year. He just plain flopped.
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Wasn't the criticism on Diaw that he was out of shape and played like a girl?
I don't think too many people complained about his stats except his astrocious rebounding.
I don't think too many people complained about his stats except his astrocious rebounding.
His response is not as illogical as it might seem. He averaged 31.1 minutes a game on a team that won 61 games, got to the second round, and gave the eventual champion a real challenge. Add in all of our criticisms of Marion and you have to wonder how D'Antoni won 40 games.
Don't get me wrong, I think Diaw could have done more and needs to improves. But I still don't see how any team can win 61 games with a guy getting starter minutes who is a total flop.
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it's pretty easy - this was by far the most talented team in the league and they not only didn't have the best record, they didn't even get out of the second round. that's how Boris was a total flop. The reason they got to 61 was Nash, Amare, Marion and Barbs - if anything Boris with his horrific defense, lack of aggressiveness and piss poor rebounding is what held this team back constantly. Or do I have to bring up his WOEFUL stats in the playoffs to show you why he was a flop, where his impact continued to plummet to the tune of 6.6, 3.2 and 3 AND his minutes decreased because he was seemingly killing us and DA couldn't afford to have him out there.
61 games and no title for a team looked at as one the favorites, if not the favorite, is a flop and Boris is more responsible for that than anyone else considering how pathetic he was in the playoffs.
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Notice that Boris says "stats aren't everything" and then goes on to give a ridiculous example of how stats could be everything. It's normally a sure fire sign that you're wrong when you can't even produce an example rooted in reality.
He mentioned there are no stats for blocking out and none for making a pass that leads to another pass for an assist. I agree this is not a compellling case, but it is not true that he gae NO examples.
I should have been more clear.
This is what I was referring to. When did Boris box out his man enough times to produce 15 rebounds for his team? We all watched the games. The answer is never. He also uses the extreme example if a Triple double with 50/17/20
He thinks he was better for showing up to camp out of shape, and then causing his back problems later in the year.
The problem with Boris is that he has no passion for the NBA or the Suns. This is a job. His passion is with the French national team.
This is what I was referring to. When did Boris box out his man enough times to produce 15 rebounds for his team? We all watched the games. The answer is never. He also uses the extreme example if a Triple double with 50/17/20
He thinks he was better for showing up to camp out of shape, and then causing his back problems later in the year.
The problem with Boris is that he has no passion for the NBA or the Suns. This is a job. His passion is with the French national team.
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I don't mind if Chap calls me nasty - my response to the interview was that Diaw is delusional. Except for a couple of stretches in the Lakers series, he was pitiful in the playoffs.
I know where the "50/17/20" came from - that is his six game total for the Spurs series. Maybe he totaled 15 blockouts, but I'd bet not.
I know where the "50/17/20" came from - that is his six game total for the Spurs series. Maybe he totaled 15 blockouts, but I'd bet not.
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Errntknght
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<hoping Chaplin has me confused with someone else>
Chaplin
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I do, but she ain't around right now.
PhxGametime
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Sheesh why all the hate for Marion and Diaw all the time, for one let it be known that I too would be unhappy too if Marion was the reason Garnett never arrived but no one (outside of ME anyways) ever criticizes KT and his 6 and 6 stats for 9 Million, do they? Sheesh!!!
No criticism of Marion here, but if KT played closer to Marion minutes, his numbers would look much better. Not KT's fault that D'Antoni has no room for him in the regular rotation. And 5pts/6bds is very respectable for 18 minutes a game. So is a 49 percent FG%.
Without KT, the Suns had no shot at the Spurs in the playoffs. That's worth $9 million right there.
KT is the perfect example that stats are not everything. Diaw isn't.
I am not upset by Diaw because he has a big contract (If my Boss propose me 9M a year for the next five years I will not refuse
) . I am upset because he is a player with tremendous skills and athletism and could be one of the more unique player in the league history. But he is living on his skills to stay a nice role player hidden in the shadows. In 2005/06 he was forced to take responsibilities hand he showed glimpse of the kind of player he should be.
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The hatred is always about the money. The more a player is paid, the more likely he will be unable to meet the expectations that his salary entailed and the degree to which it prevents getting other players.
How on earth did Marion get the kind of contract he received? Some of it was that he some very good years early in his carer and if all you looked at was stats you see why: Career 18.6 ppg, 47.9%, 10.0 rpg, 1.9 steals per game, 1.3 blocks per game, etc. He plays good defense and puts in a lot of minutes. But only his rebounding has improved from his early years.
His only real problem statistically is his three point shooting which is 34.2% but has been much lower the last four years. Back in 2001-02 he shot 39.3% for three and 2002-03 she shot 38.7% for three. The drastic drop in his three point shooting has not kept him from shooting, but it highlights his limited half court "make your own shot" skills.
In his early days, Marion used to drive to the basket and make these weird tear drops and runners; which he's gone away from. On the other hand, he is now far more as a cutter and runs back dooor plays for dunks.
The difference between his three point shooting and other shooting is amazing. Last season he hit 58.7% of his shots inside the arc, but only 31.7% for three. If he stopped shooting threes and shot at the same percentage inside the arc, he'd have scored 56 more points and raised his per game to over 18.0.
IMHO, just improving his three point shooting ro cutting down on the number of shots would go a long way toward improving Marion's reputation. So would attacking the basket with more aggression in the half court.
But nothing will change the fact that he's paid like a super star rather than a great complementary player.
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