Bosa, help me out

[GuernseyCard]

Devil's advocate says we cannot use stamina issues as a deciding factor since Bosa was given breathers that Williams was not

I saw Q gassed and pulled when the opposition was in scoring territory.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Josh Allen is nothing like Dwight Freeney. They couldn't any more polar opposite...

I will accept that, I just see his speed and agility removed from the technique mastery of Freeney and will admit that Bosa has better hands too

 

[BW52]

My curiosity is did Bosa play long enough to get to that point

I don't know the snap counts I know he was part of a DLine rotation his first 2 years and started last season until his injury.He was good enough to be Big 10 lineman of the year as a Soph while playing in a rotation.He isn't the big flashy splash pick like Murray or the latest top dog like Q.Williams.......Bosa has been top rated for a year and has done nothing to drop .Like I said its depends what you want.IMO Bosa is a safe dependable ProBowl type player .Q.Williams the same.You might get more from either but I think both will end steady and solid and pro bowl level

 

[dscher]

He redshirted in 2016 and played in all 14 games as an RS freshman the following fall - 2017 (had 20 tackles, 6.5 for loss, two sacks). He was dominant in his 2nd full year(2018). Bosa is good no doubt about that I just like Williams better for the Cards. But it certainly is debatable.

So we got a whole bunch of one year wonders.. end of debate. Lol

 

[BW52]

So we got a whole bunch of one year wonders.. end of debate. Lol

If you are worried about one year wonders don't forget your poster boy Murray.

 

[Proximo]

I can see what he does well on his highlighted plays and then he has his brother's lineage but there are things which simply do not add up to me about him being the best player in this draft. He had good numbers when he played a full season in 2017 but even then those numbers where not great compared to a bunch of other guys in this highly touted draft class... why are people calling him the slamdunk prospect when I see a good player with the entitled 'given' of potential to be great

I totally agree. Other than his family's pedigree I see nothing special about him.

I would not be surprised at all if he was another Kyle vanden bosch.

I would be pissed if we take him.

 

[BW52]

I totally agree. Other than his family's pedigree I see nothing special about him.

I would not be surprised at all if he was another Kyle vanden bosch.

I would be pissed if we take him.

How are you going to feel when Murray ends up being Doug Flutie ?

 

[Proximo]

How are you going to feel when Murray ends up being Doug Flutie ?

Well if the Cards took him, not good, but I will accept it.

You have to take chances to hit a home run.

 

[BW52]

Well if the Cards took him, not good, but I will accept it.

You have to take chances to hit a home run.

Depends on if you think the risks are worth it.Much rather have Rosen and Bosa or Q.Williams instead of rolling the dice on Murray.

 

[az jam]

So we got a whole bunch of one year wonders.. end of debate. Lol

Not a surprise, the college landscape has changed so much over the years. The top programs redshirt most freshman, few players start really only two years and then it's the draft.
Players don't play in bowl games if draft eligible. and so on,,, Rarely does a good player come back for his senior season.

 

[dscher]

If you are worried about one year wonders don't forget your poster boy Murray.

Take it easy. I wasn't.

 

[Proximo]

Depends on if you think the risks are worth it.Much rather have Rosen and Bosa or Q.Williams instead of rolling the dice on Murray.

First off I feel like the first pick should always be used on the best QB if there is one that is good enough to merit it. The value of the position just means that is how the pick should be used. Since Murray had one of the 2 or 3 best statistical college seasons ever I feel he is worth going number 1.

Second off I don't like what I saw out of Rosen last year. This is probably our biggest difference. You think he will be good - I do not.

 

[Jetstream Green]

First off I feel like the first pick should always be used on the best QB if there is one that is good enough to merit it. The value of the position just means that is how the pick should be used. Since Murray had one of the 2 or 3 best statistical college seasons ever I feel he is worth going number 1.

Second off I don't like what I saw out of Rosen last year. This is probably our biggest difference. You think he will be good - I do not.

I think Rosen will be good but see a chance that Murray could be great. Like Clint Eastwood saying, "do you feel lucky punk" and this Cardinal franchise being punked for so many years might want to call the historic bluff and draft him

 

[Proximo]

I think Rosen will be good but see a chance that Murray could be great. Like Clint Eastwood saying, "do you feel lucky punk" and this Cardinal franchise being punked for so many years might want to call the historic bluff and draft him

When I say not good, I think he will be along the lines of a Andy Dalton or a Ryan Tannehill. I feel like his ceiling is Eli Manning or Joe Flacco.

I'm just not satisfied with having the 20 something best qb in the NFL, you won't win many playoff games like that unless you have a historically great defense.

 

[BW52]

First off I feel like the first pick should always be used on the best QB if there is one that is good enough to merit it. The value of the position just means that is how the pick should be used. Since Murray had one of the 2 or 3 best statistical college seasons ever I feel he is worth going number 1.

Second off I don't like what I saw out of Rosen last year. This is probably our biggest difference. You think he will be good - I do not.

Not a problem.We agree to disagree.

 

[BW52]

I think Rosen will be good but see a chance that Murray could be great. Like Clint Eastwood saying, "do you feel lucky punk" and this Cardinal franchise being punked for so many years might want to call the historic bluff and draft him

That's were we disagree.I don`t see the chance of Murray being great.

 

[Shane]

Have you seen his thighs though?

 

[dscher]

I think Rosen will be good but see a chance that Murray could be great. Like Clint Eastwood saying, "do you feel lucky punk" and this Cardinal franchise being punked for so many years might want to call the historic bluff and draft him

Agreed. I think they might understand the boom or bust dynamic better than any of us. I just feel like the pain of seeing Murray go light it up if they pass would terrorize them forever...and would be too much. Especially if Rosen doesn't pan out very well. Which is what will force their hand to take a chance. Not saying it's the right way to go about making a #1 pick and all, but ... Just my feeling about it

 

[BW52]

Agreed. I think they might understand the boom or bust dynamic better than any of us. I just feel like the pain of seeing Murray go light it up if they pass would terrorize them forever...and would be too much. Especially if Rosen doesn't pan out very well. Which is what will force their hand to take a chance. Not saying it's the right way to go about making a #1 pick and all, but ... Just my feeling about it

Being afraid of passing on a player and being afraid said player could light it up elsewhere would be a indictment of my teams coaching staff and their ability to bring out the best of said player.

 

[dscher]

Being afraid of passing on a player and being afraid said player could light it up elsewhere would be a indictment of my teams coaching staff and their ability to bring out the best of said player.

Could be. My point was trying to illustrate what I think the front office might be thinking. Might.

 

[sunsfan88]

He's extremely skilled and has the best footwork than any pass rushing draft prospect since Von Miller many years ago.

He's going to be much better than his brother and that's scary considering how good his brother is.

 

[GatorAZ]

I saw Q gassed and pulled when the opposition was in scoring territory.

That’s not surprising considering he added significant weight prior to this season. I would take Bosa #1 but if Q can maintain that bulk while improving his stamina he will be a force. I always have my doubts with heavy DT’s. It usually takes a while unless we’re talking about Donald or Suh who had different body types and more experience coming into the league.

 

[GuernseyCard]

That’s not surprising considering he added significant weight prior to this season. I would take Bosa #1 but if Q can maintain that bulk while improving his stamina he will be a force. I always have my doubts with heavy DT’s. It usually takes a while unless we’re talking about Donald or Suh who had different body types and more experience coming into the league.

His stamina would improve.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Personally, I am glad he is on the Niners after reading this. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/may/06/nick-bosa-donald-trump-san-francisco-49ers-nfl-draft

I have another reason to dislike him even more than because he is a Niner. Although I won't go so far as to stop watching football like many of my neighbors have over Kaepernick's right to express himself.

 

[BW52]

Personally, I am glad he is on the Niners after reading this. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/may/06/nick-bosa-donald-trump-san-francisco-49ers-nfl-draft

I have another reason to dislike him even more than because he is a Niner. Although I won't go so far as to stop watching football like many of my neighbors have over Kaepernick's right to express himself.

Did you also get outraged when Kyler made his apology 6 years later for his homophobic remarks?So Bosa makes PC apology some writer get bent out of shape.BFD.What the hell do you think Murray was doing? He apologized after he won the Heisman.If that's not a PC apology then WTF is it?