Boston Article

[azdad1978]

Boston is a big time player. When he's healthy that is. I mean I'm not a football player but when Sullivan ask him to lose weight to prolong his career he turned around and came into camp 10 pounds heavier. Sully is not just a WR coach, he's the best in the league. Boston disregard his teacher and next thing you know he's injured and was lost for the year. You guys ever been a manager or a supervisor before? It's like one of your worker came into your office and said I refuse to work on weekend even though the contract states that he or she needs to work the weekend. Boston knew that when he signed with the Chargers that he will block because of his size.

 

[Goldfield]

Re: In Defense of DB:

Originally posted by kerouac9
I'm going to get crucified for this, but here it goes anyway:

No one has a problem with DE's like KGB or DT's like Gilbert Brown going in and out of a game as "specialists."

Those guys are "specialists" because they cannot play every down effectively...

There is no reason DB shouldnt be on the field on EVERY down.

When he is off the field the defence will put 8-9 guys in the box to stop Tomlinson...


This is one of the funniest articles I have ever read. He can sit there and ask to take plays off with a strait face?




I wonder if Boston can talk Dre Brees into comming out on running plays, since they wont need him in there anyway...

 

[conraddobler]

OMG I can't wait to find out if he actually did say those things that stuff is priceless.

It appears his muscles aren't the only thing that's bulked up, talk about an ego manic.

Marty always requires his recievers to block if Boston won't do that then the Chargers are screwed cause Marty will not tolerate that and soon the whole thing will blow up and end up being a huge distraction with the only result being either Boston caves or dosen't play.

 

[Wild Card]

Re: In Defense of DB:

Originally posted by kerouac9
Just because DB wants to be a "specialist" on offense, he might just be an innovator.

Kerouac:

That may well be true. If I'm a potential employer, though, there are at least two things in that article that would concern me.

The first is that David Boston thinks he knows better than the Chargers coaches and staff how to condition and train. Whether you think his methods are cutting-edge or looney tunes, I think it makes a bad impression for Boston's agent to tell his new employers that he "wouldn't attend all the voluntary offseason workouts" because he's following his own--presumably superior--regimen.

The second is that Boston thinks he knows better than the Chargers coaches and staff how to play his position. Whether you think his ideas are innovative or self-serving, I think it makes a bad impression for Boston to "educate the Chargers" on how to best utilize him, and to make reference to the Chargers' OC "slowly understanding that."

I think that the 2003 version of David Boston is playing like a more-articulate version of Randy Moss. Instead of stupidly admitting to taking plays off, Boston is making a case for not even being on the field. Same result. A guy who you expect to be one of your impact offensive players winds up being a non-factor for maybe one-third of the snaps (using Boston's ratio of "four or five plays, then come out for a couple").

Frankly, Boston sounds more-and-more like Moss on multiple levels. A massively talented player who, for whatever reasons, is gonna do his own thing, regardless of what the coaches want. A Pro Bowler that half the teams in the league wouldn't want at any price. A locker-room cancer waiting to happen.

You--or San Diego--can have him.

WC

 

[Stout]

Originally posted by Dback Jon
Boston is still brought up by the Graves bashers here, and the Cardinal bashers in the media.
To me, it would be nice for the media to recognize (not that they will ever admit it) that maybe the Cardinals DID do the right thing, the rational thing.

After he managed to get both 1st rounders in with time to spare, I said Graves did a great thing.

Of course, he flubbed the Boston situation. Did the team want to either get rid of Boston or make sure he couldn't hurt us if he was cut? Obviously, and I have no problem with that. Did we mess up by not even TRYING to get anything for him? Without a doubt. No matter what anybody else says, it will never change this fact.

There are those who will say we follow the 'letter of the law' in signing and trading franchise players. Blah blah blah. For one, no other team restricts itself in this manner. For another, we did it with Williams. We should have tried to do it with Boston but we didn't.

And by the by, those who argue they didn't want us to get stuck with Boston if he couldn't be traded, need to realize that we could have rescinded the franchise tag.

So yes, Graves most certainly DID make a mistake. Does this make me a Graves hater? Not at all. I'm neither a supporter or a hater. I'll applaud him for good moves and be upset with him for bad ones. This one happened to be bad.

 

[Mike Olbinski]

How sucky would it be to be on that diet?

I mean, he barely eats an ounce of real food all day!

Mike

 

[Goldfield]

Originally posted by conraddobler
OMG I can't wait to find out if he actually did say those things that stuff is priceless.

It appears his muscles aren't the only thing that's bulked up, talk about an ego manic.

Marty always requires his recievers to block if Boston won't do that then the Chargers are screwed cause Marty will not tolerate that and soon the whole thing will blow up and end up being a huge distraction with the only result being either Boston caves or dosen't play.

Last year Boston said he doesnt have very good hands, when he was asked about his drops... Isnt that a WR's JOB? At least dont admit it!

I like Marty as a coach, and I would LAUGH MY ASS OFF, if he got fed up with him and just flat out benched his ass! We could watch Boston Flex as he sits next to the water...

 

[Goldfield]

I cannot believe how much I used to love Boston, I get more and more sick of him everyday...

 

[azdad1978]

Originally posted by BEERZ
I cannot believe how much I used to love Boston, I get more and more sick of him everyday...

I used to love Boston too but he's not here anymore so I could care less.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Stout
After he managed to get both 1st rounders in with time to spare, I said Graves did a great thing.

Of course, he flubbed the Boston situation. Did the team want to either get rid of Boston or make sure he couldn't hurt us if he was cut? Obviously, and I have no problem with that. Did we mess up by not even TRYING to get anything for him? Without a doubt. No matter what anybody else says, it will never change this fact.

There are those who will say we follow the 'letter of the law' in signing and trading franchise players. Blah blah blah. For one, no other team restricts itself in this manner. For another, we did it with Williams. We should have tried to do it with Boston but we didn't.

And by the by, those who argue they didn't want us to get stuck with Boston if he couldn't be traded, need to realize that we could have rescinded the franchise tag.

So yes, Graves most certainly DID make a mistake. Does this make me a Graves hater? Not at all. I'm neither a supporter or a hater. I'll applaud him for good moves and be upset with him for bad ones. This one happened to be bad.

I agree with this wholeheartedly - I praised Graves for getting the first rounders in and even admitted that he had begun to instill fiath in me - it still doesn't mean he didn't make a mistake in not trying to get something for Boston - ala Williams or even Peerless Price for that matter.

 

[Redheart]

LOL!

Originally posted by Pariah
I don't know that the Cards are better off without Boston. Maybe he would have screwed with the chemistry, maybe he would have caught 125 balls for 2000 yards.

But why isn't anyone calling for us to stop talking about DB? If you mention Plummer around here you get kicked in the junk. You mention Boston and you start a 3 page thread!

Amen! Testify brother, testify!

 

[Chaz]

Graves offered Boston a competitive contract but it was based on playing time. Boston didn't like that so he left. I think the Cardinals wanted him back, but only on their terms. I don't see anything wrong with that.

I think the Cardinals are in a better position to know what they have in a player like Boston. They obiviously had concerns about how much he would be available to play. I think this could be the start of those concerns coming to pass.

 

[pinnacle]

my read on graves boston::

I think the Cardinals were way more worried about attitude and injuries and thought the following:: we can franchise the guy...but what if we have to have him playing and no one offers us anything decent for him? Then we would have to either keep him and play him (although they might be able to cut a franchised guy later? Not sure)...They probably thought - if we have to keep him - he was pissed last year and he will reallllly be pissed this year because we franchised him...lets just let him go - make him an offer contingent upon playing..and leave it at that...

The error clearly was that they underestimated what teams would give up for boston...I think they refused to franchise him before guys like peerless price and takeo spikes were picked up by other teams (both franchised guys)...They errored in estimating market value -- I do not think they ever thought he would play for the cardinals again..Their thinking might have been: we got like a 2nd and 4th for a superstar like aeneas..who would give us anything for a guy who may or may not play much and has a bunch of issues (Unlike aeneas)...I think the cardinals thought they would only get a mid round pick..an error..but hopefully they learned from it..

 

[kerouac9]

It cracks me up how it seems that people on this thread are "spinning" this article. If I were a DB fan or a Charger fan, I'd be pumped up by this piece. DB thinks that he's an unstoppable force, and he pretty much looks the part.

You know what is the best chemistry? Winning. If the Chargers go 9-7, the only people worried about DB's upper body are going to be those on this board. If DB gains 1500 yards this season, the "Graves Supporters" (What an odd camp that is; I like Graves when he does well, will call him out when he errs. I have no personal qualm with him, but those who support him no matter what are delusional. No one's perfect.) are going to be gripping hard.

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by kerouac9
If I were a DB fan or a Charger fan, I'd be pumped up by this piece.

Huh? If Starks said that he would only play on 3rd down because that was his strength you'd call for his head.

 

[Lex]

It's real simple...Boston gone = good.

Plummer gone = bad.

David Boston is the reason neither are here anymore.

We'll see.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Rivercard
Huh? If Starks said that he would only play on 3rd down because that was his strength you'd call for his head.

Yeah, but that wasn't the point of the article, was it. It was a "pump up" preseason piece about the shape that DB is in, the ferocity with which he plays and trains, and the confidence he has in his level of play.

The title of the article isn't "Boston only wants to play on 60% of Downs". It's "The $200,000 man." Read the article in a non-biased way, and it's pretty obvious that he's not wandering around camp with an attitude:

In Boston, the Chargers have a fabulous young player (he turns 25 this month) who says he will do whatever he can to help the team win a championship.

"David is his own person, and when it comes down to it he has everybody's back on this team," Lassiter said. "He's going to sell his soul to make a play and help this football team..."

DB has this to say about his game:

The way we look at it is, I say, 'OK, that's great if you're a cornerback and you're a 4.4 guy. But I'm going to get myself to a 4.2 guy. That way, No. 1, I'm faster than you to begin with. And No. 2, even when I get tired, if I fall off, chances are I'm still faster than you because I'm significantly faster than you to begin with. So it's a different approach, as opposed to just condition, condition, condition. It's like to maximize your peak potential, you work to the lowest percentage of what you've got to do. That's a little bit different than the mentality of a lot of training in the NFL.

If Calvin Pace, Bryant Johnson, or Anquan Boldin said something like this to the Republic, everyone on this board would be massively psyched up. But, because it's DB, who was allowed to leave the Cardinals, the discussion is about how people here think he's a clubhouse cancer (there's nothing about that in the article), how he told them he wouldn't be conditioning with the team after he signed (the article straight up says that his reps stated just the opposite at the start of negotiations). The bottom line is what DB says himself at the end of the article:

"Bodybuilding, I'm not into that. I hear the people's reactions, screaming out about the way I look, but it gets on my nerves so bad. That's totally not what I'm into. . . . I'm interested in making plays. I'm interested in winning a championship, and we've got a chance to do that here.

"I've been first-team All-Pro, I've gone to the Pro Bowl, I've done all that. The only thing I haven't done is win a championship, and I'm going to do everything I can to help this team do that. I don't want to revolutionize the position; that's not something I even think about. I just want to get bigger, stronger and faster than anybody across from me. It just gives you a certain amount of confidence when you line up."

 

[Redheart]

OK, I see it now...

Originally posted by kerouac9
... . The bottom line is what DB says himself at the end of the article:

This 24-year-old is WAY smarter than Cam or Marty. They should listen to what he has to say.

I mean, as long as his eyes are not red or he is not weaving while driving, he has impecable judgment.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by kerouac9
The title of the article isn't "Boston only wants to play on 60% of Downs". It's "The $200,000 man." Read the article in a non-biased way, and it's pretty obvious that he's not wandering around camp with an attitude:

Sorry Kerouac, but who cares what the title of the article is? In it he essentially tells the coaches how he should be used AND he only feels he should play 60% of the plays. I don't want that out of my #1 WR. I want the $200,000 attitude but not the 60% attitude or the I know how I should be used better than the coaches attitude.

Again, graves messed up on this no matter how you slice it but Boston's comments are not what I want to hear if I am a SD fan. I want him out there all the time.

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Yeah, but that wasn't the point of the article, was it. It was a "pump up" preseason piece about the shape that DB is in, the ferocity with which he plays and trains, and the confidence he has in his level of play.

K9,
Whoosh...... that's the sound of your interpretation of this piece going right over my head. Getting pumped about a fluff piece is fine and dandy but what the folks on this board are refering to is the arrogance of a player dictating how how he should and should not be used and that he will only play in certain situations. That might explain his disinterest in being an effective part of our offensive scheme last year. Isn't it his job to execute the coach's gameplan and not the other way around?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by kerouac9
It cracks me up how it seems that people on this thread are "spinning" this article. If I were a DB fan or a Charger fan, I'd be pumped up by this piece. DB thinks that he's an unstoppable force, and he pretty much looks the part.

You know what is the best chemistry? Winning. If the Chargers go 9-7, the only people worried about DB's upper body are going to be those on this board. If DB gains 1500 yards this season, the "Graves Supporters" (What an odd camp that is; I like Graves when he does well, will call him out when he errs. I have no personal qualm with him, but those who support him no matter what are delusional. No one's perfect.) are going to be gripping hard.

(Kerouac I'm going to apologize right now for what I am going to say but I just can't help myself )

It cracks me up how you are spinning this article.

David: I only want to play 60% of the time.

Kerouac: Look! See he wants to play. He's a team player!

And looking the part isn't everything. Bill Goldberg (WCW) looked the part, but obviously he wasn't a great football player.

And what about the Graves bashers that run around with the same false dilemma everytime:

The sky is falling! The sky is falling! THE SKY IS FALLING!

The Darksiders, or better known as the
Chicken Little Gang.


(Note: Sorry to sound like a dick Kerouac, but could you at least be a little bit more unbiased? I mean, we all know you love DB, but how can you spin this around so much to be positive with what we already know about David?)

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Originally posted by Stout


Of course, he flubbed the Boston situation. Did the team want to either get rid of Boston or make sure he couldn't hurt us if he was cut? Obviously, and I have no problem with that. Did we mess up by not even TRYING to get anything for him? Without a doubt. No matter what anybody else says, it will never change this fact.


And by the by, those who argue they didn't want us to get stuck with Boston if he couldn't be traded, need to realize that we could have rescinded the franchise tag.

are you certain that the cards did not try to get anything for boston? did you speak with graves about it?

what if we wanted to use the franchise tag on another player?

boston stinks and you were wrong. let it go dude.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Originally posted by BEERZ
I cannot believe how much I used to love Boston, I get more and more sick of him everyday...

no doubt.

he has totally flipped out. hes a freakin embarrassment

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Crimson Warrior
are you certain that the cards did not try to get anything for boston? did you speak with graves about it?

what if we wanted to use the franchise tag on another player?

boston stinks and you were wrong. let it go dude.

Well we didn't use tyhe franchise tag on another player and since Boston's contract was up at the end of last season and we didn't have his rights, there isn't a way Graves could have tried to get anything for him during free agency or after the season. Just admit that Graves made an error in not tagging him - we have seen players get tagged solely for the reason of trading them as to not lose your greatest commodity all over the league - hell even WE did it with Aeneas - besides since we did offer him a "competitive" contract - would that mean that they did have interest in keeping him - even for the sake of not iolating the franchise rule of simply tagging to trade. Look - from what i've heard of Boston's injury woes so far this pre-season and his mouth in this article - I will admit that he might have been a disruptive force on this team and if that's the case - well - good riddance - but that still doesn't means Graves didn't make an error in not franhising him and getting something in return.

Boston hasn't proven to stink, he seems like he could be a cancer, Graves was wrong - Get over it.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
Well we didn't use tyhe franchise tag on another player and since Boston's contract was up at the end of last season and we didn't have his rights, there isn't a way Graves could have tried to get anything for him during free agency or after the season. Just admit that Graves made an error in not tagging him - we have seen players get tagged solely for the reason of trading them as to not lose your greatest commodity all over the league - hell even WE did it with Aeneas - besides since we did offer him a "competitive" contract - would that mean that they did have interest in keeping him - even for the sake of not iolating the franchise rule of simply tagging to trade. Look - from what i've heard of Boston's injury woes so far this pre-season and his mouth in this article - I will admit that he might have been a disruptive force on this team and if that's the case - well - good riddance - but that still doesn't means Graves didn't make an error in not franhising him and getting something in return.

Boston hasn't proven to stink, he seems like he could be a cancer, Graves was wrong - Get over it.

but it is just too obvious cheese!

so if the cards tag him, the had to make an offer equal to the top five wrs in the league, right?

there was no way the cards would make an offer like that. so then what? all the other teams would know that boston was going to be a free agent anyway. so why not wait unitl he is clear of the cards so they can sign him without the hassle of a trade?