Boston Herald reporting that Celtics interested in trading for Barbosa

[asuhoopsnut]

Alex Kennedy from Hoopsworld is reporting that both the Celtics and the Toronto Raptors are interested in trading for Barbosa.

Looks like Colangelo will be bidding against D'antoni. Gotta love it!

 

[BC867]

I absolutely love Barbosa. Love his attitude, love for the team, city etc... The kid slept in the locker room his first night because he was so grateful to be here (at least thats what I have heard). But he was really frustrating to watch last season, specifically in the playoffs. He would isolate himself and go to the hole completely out of control, often resulting in a turnover. If we can get anything of value for him I would prefer to get Dragic more minutes in his place.

That said, we would be very thin at the 2, especially with J-Rich contract expiring next year.

Barbosa the person, I agree. Barbosa the player, no. He is a tweener and hurts the team when used as the rotation backup at either the 1 or 2.

Instant offense when needed, off the bench in short irregular spurts, is the only way he can contribute to a team without hurting them just as much.

And the older or more injured he gets, the slower the Blur becomes, thus leaving him as a very marginal player.

As far as replacing him, finding a backup Wing is the least challenging of any positions.

 

[binkar]

Barbosa the person, I agree. Barbosa the player, no. He is a tweener and hurts the team when used as the rotation backup at either the 1 or 2.

Instant offense when needed, off the bench in short irregular spurts, is the only way he can contribute to a team without hurting them just as much.

And the older or more injured he gets, the slower the Blur becomes, thus leaving him as a very marginal player.

As far as replacing him, finding a backup Wing is the least challenging of any positions.

So then you completely agree...

 

[Mainstreet]

There is absolutely no way to justify such as move this summer. The Suns are not looking to sign anyone now, and we are already around $15M under LT. There is no need to clear cap space now. If the Suns need the cap space next summer, you can consider dealing Barbosa then when he'll have an expiring contract. His trade value is bound to increase, because quite frankly it couldn't get any lower than it is now. We have only four true guards on this team right now and Barbosa will still play a significant role. Any move that dumps Barbsosa this summer would be a cost-cutting move, and that's going to be hard to spin for the team when they aren't anywhere near LT this time.

As I've mentioned before LB has a player option after this coming season. So in theory, this coming season could be his last as a Sun if he desired. He will have some choice in his destiny.

 

[jandaman]

Trading Barbosa for spade, gives the Suns some flexibility come All-Star break trade deadline.

Sarver should only trade if NO PICKS from the Suns are involved.

 

[jandaman]

Sign Ronnie Brewer as someone mentioned.

Mike Miller 4 year 30 Million also.

C: Lopez/Frye/Lawal
PF: Warrick/Clark/Lawal
SF: Hill/Dudley/Clark/Miller
SG: Richardson/Miller/Dudley
PG: Nash/Dragic

Thats a pretty good 3pt shooting team, Mike Miller is a FANTASTIC rebounder for his position as good as J.Richardson. And he is a good passer also... Usually post 15/5/5, I would know he was on my fantasy team.. and when ON... 4/5 3s is a common sight.

 

[SunsTzu]

Trading Barbosa for a contract that would be bought out doesn't open up much cap(if any). If he were traded for Sheed then it likely would only give about an additional 1mil cap unless he takes a really cheap buyout, which seems unlikely.

 

[Griffin]

As I've mentioned before LB has a player option after this coming season. So in theory, this coming season could be his last as a Sun if he desired. He will have some choice in his destiny.

Yes, but I expect Barbosa to pick up the player option. He won't get more money in the market than what he is due for 2011/12. And even if he were to decline the option, he doesn't have to make that decision until next summer. So any team that acquires him now has to assume that the option will be picked up.

Sign Ronnie Brewer as someone mentioned.

Mike Miller 4 year 30 Million also.

Even if we were to trade (give away) Barbosa, I seriously doubt that the Suns would pursue any more free agents this summer other than veteran minimums.

Also, let's keep in mind that Rasheed Wallace's buyout, regardless of which team pays for it, would count against the Suns salary cap, so that would reduce the amount of space we have to work with this summer. If the buyout is for $3M for example, that would only leave about $4M to work with.

 

[carey]

If Sheed retires he doesn't have to be bought out right? I suppose he could say he will retire then when he gets traded change his mind like Ben Wallace and force a buy out, but that would be dick.

 

[binkar]

If Sheed retires he doesn't have to be bought out right? I suppose he could say he will retire then when he gets traded change his mind like Ben Wallace and force a buy out, but that would be dick.

 

[mojorizen7]

Barbosa the player and Barbosa the contract is the least of the SUNS problems at this point.

It would be moronic for Sarver the GM to sell more picks,but NOTHING will surprise me after the manner in which our offseason has unfolded thus far. Wake me up when something positive and productive happens.

 

[mojorizen7]

I pray that there's a hidden plan behind these ignorant moves following the sudden departure of our realGM.

 

[mojorizen7]

Sign Ronnie Brewer as someone mentioned.

Mike Miller 4 year 30 Million also.

C: Lopez/Frye/Lawal
PF: Warrick/Clark/Lawal
SF: Hill/Dudley/Clark/Miller
SG: Richardson/Miller/Dudley
PG: Nash/Dragic

Thats a pretty good 3pt shooting team, Mike Miller is a FANTASTIC rebounder for his position as good as J.Richardson. And he is a good passer also... Usually post 15/5/5, I would know he was on my fantasy team.. and when ON... 4/5 3s is a common sight.

I think Miller could be closer to being done than many think but still, I'd sign off on this roster for another year. Its too late to effectively blow it up and this beats Sarvers vision of mediocrity.

 

[jlove]

It was already out there in the news that Wallace was healthy and planned to play his contract out. The Suns didn't want to pay his whole contract so they negotiated a buyout so he could sign where he wanted.

 

[PhxGametime]

If the Suns can get Ronnie Brewer; Richard Jefferson; Mike Miller, etc. (whoever else is available at the wing position) - I'd be all for this Trade but hopefully it's not just a salary dump.


BTW, I've been watching game-film and Warrick will surprise some (similar to Diaw) and Lawal could be a nice fit, if not this year, in the the near future... Earl Clark should be in for a major improvement this year, as well. So that's three players to fill void (looking for game-film for D Collins) and Frye can play the 4.


I may be alone but I like next years Roster, especially if Dragic; Dudley; Lopez; Warrick; Clark, etc. continue to improve.

 

[Mainstreet]

I pray that there's a hidden plan behind these ignorant moves following the sudden departure of our realGM.

If the Barbosa rummors are true, if one steps back, this could be a prelude to Sarver selling the team. He just hot rid of 48M of future contract by letting Amare walk. It's interesting that their was no talk of a sign and trade. Trading Barbosa to save extra money would also fit this scenario. Letting Kerr and Griffin go also saved significant money. I'm not saying it's going to happen but still these could be the first steps. Does anyone see Sarver trying to save money to improve the team?

 

[Sunburn]

I may be alone but I like next years Roster, especially if Dragic; Dudley; Lopez; Warrick; Clark, etc. continue to improve.

Yes, you are alone. Those are a lot of if's. The only saving grace we have is Nash. I will never underestimate that man, but it doesn't look good for planet orange.

 

[azsportsfan01]

If the Barbosa rummors are true, if one steps back, this could be a prelude to Sarver selling the team. He just hot rid of 48M of future contract by letting Amare walk. It's interesting that their was no talk of a sign and trade. Trading Barbosa to save extra money would also fit this scenario. Letting Kerr and Griffin go also saved significant money. I'm not saying it's going to happen but still these could be the first steps. Does anyone see Sarver trying to save money to improve the team?

There aren't going to be any sign and trades. I don't know why people think that every big name guy is going to be traded. It rarely happens and the one guy who actually had a chance, Chris Bosh, will no longer have that choice. Teams don't want to help their best player leave their team.

 

[Yuma]

Not sure why the Suns do this unless they were desperate to get rid of Barbosa. He's not a cancer on the team, and some nights he even comes off the bench with a hot hand. Might as well keep him one last season, then if he picks up his option we can trade him and his expiring contract!

 

[Chaplin]

There aren't going to be any sign and trades. I don't know why people think that every big name guy is going to be traded. It rarely happens and the one guy who actually had a chance, Chris Bosh, will no longer have that choice. Teams don't want to help their best player leave their team.

That's not the point. The point is that the team the player is leaving would like something to replace him with. If Team A knew that their best star player was going to leave and go to Team B, instead of getting nothing, they would try to get something in return. That's not so hard to understand, is it?

Some teams would welcome the cap space, like the Suns I guess, but you can't tell me that Cleveland and especially Miami would be happy if Lebron and Wade just up and left, leaving them with nothing. (for the record, I wouldn't be at all surprised if James stays with the Cavs, which is why you haven't heard much from them)

 

[Irish]

I can see why the Celtics might want Barbosa. If they are convinced Leandro just had an injury harmed season, they might like to have a guy who is a 40% career three point shooter who can beat most guys off the dribble if they try to crowd him. He may be strictly an "instant offense" guy, but you can understand why a team that just lost in the finals might be interested.

But I don't see them giving a lot of value considering what he did last season. I hate the idea of selling at the bottom of the market.

BTW, I don't think much of most rumors that end up sounding like other team's fans wish lists. If getting rid of Wallace is their prime goal, then this deal is all win for the Celtics.

 

[azsportsfan01]

That's not the point. The point is that the team the player is leaving would like something to replace him with. If Team A knew that their best star player was going to leave and go to Team B, instead of getting nothing, they would try to get something in return. That's not so hard to understand, is it?

Some teams would welcome the cap space, like the Suns I guess, but you can't tell me that Cleveland and especially Miami would be happy if Lebron and Wade just up and left, leaving them with nothing. (for the record, I wouldn't be at all surprised if James stays with the Cavs, which is why you haven't heard much from them)

Name one sign and trade that involved a superstar. The only one I can come up with is when Grant Hill went to Orlando. They rarely ever happen. It is nice and all to think how a team would want to get something in return but the reality is no one wants to be the guy who sent LeBron to another team. It just doesn't happen. I don't know why everyone here thinks it will. Hell look at the Chris Bosh situation. Both sides were willing to do a sign and trade but after a few days it comes out that Toronto no longer wants to help him out.

 

[Chaplin]

Name one sign and trade that involved a superstar. The only one I can come up with is when Grant Hill went to Orlando. They rarely ever happen. It is nice and all to think how a team would want to get something in return but the reality is no one wants to be the guy who sent LeBron to another team. It just doesn't happen. I don't know why everyone here thinks it will. Hell look at the Chris Bosh situation. Both sides were willing to do a sign and trade but after a few days it comes out that Toronto no longer wants to help him out.

Part of that is that Bosh is an ass, but another part of it is that the offers aren't any good.

As for your "name one"--true, there aren't many. But how many superstars are traded/leave their team when their contract is up vs. resigning? A vast majority re-sign and when there is a team change (like Shaq, for example), it is a trade in the middle of their contract. We've never seen a time like this where all these superstars are at the end of their contracts at the same time. So there really isn't a precedent set for this.

 

[Superbone]

I really don't get this one. With Amare gone they would be just under LT land so there is no real reason to shed anymore payroll. I would make sense if they were trying to clear more space to add someone but that isn't going to happen now.

Of course it makes sense. It's more money in Sarver's pocket.

 

[Gaddabout]

Barbosa is like that sharp-hitting, weak-armed left fielder in baseball. He's not someone you trade in the off-season. You dangle him for contenders near the mid-year trade deadline, when teams need to bolster their bench. If the Suns wait they'll get something better in value for him.