Breaking: Joey Porter arrested

[Mainstreet]

Part 1 correct. Bad wording on my part.

Part 2 if an officer pulls you over for a tail light no that in and of itself is not enough to toss your car. That being said you would be surprised how many people just give consent. Even people with plenty to hide. You do have a right to say no. An officer does have a right to detain you for up to 60 minutes while conducting an investigation. It's called an "investigative detention" it would be highly highly questionable to detain someone for 60 minutes based on just a tail light however.

It sounds like you're a very good officer. I think people say yes to a police officer wanting to search their vehicle because they don't know they can say no. Personally, I would probably ask the officer if I could say no... before I said no. I would think a good officer should tell you the truth.

I swear 90% of the criminals would go free if they didn't run their mouth.

 

[BigDavis75]

It sounds like you're a very good officer. I think people say yes to a police officer wanting to search their vehicle because they don't know they can say no. Personally, I would probably ask the officer if I could say no... before I said no. I would think a good officer should tell you the truth.

I swear 90% of the criminals would go free if they didn't run their mouth.

Shane's right, but I have also heard tons and tons of stories where people give consent and that basically tosses any 4th amendment rights that you had in the first place. However (Shane correct me if I'm wrong), if a cop pulls you over for a tail light, turn signal violation, outdated inspection, etc. he is aloud to conduct a visual check of the car and if he can visibly notice any incriminating evidence then he can search the car. If there is no PC, then the vehicle can be impounded and a warrant can be obtained for a search of the vehicle.

Shane, is the 60 minute detention thing just in your state, or is that a practice in place everywhere?

 

[Oly]

I did not say you are automatically guilty. Could you please quote that? I said it is a sign of guilt. One of many. Just like your crappy driving while drunk and why I pulled you over. Just like the odor of alcohol on your breath. Just like the piss in your pants etc... etc...

Totality of the circumstances. It all paints a picture. It's just one of many signs.

But what if say you had a bladder problem than would the piss in your paints still be a sign of guilt?

 

[Oly]

It sounds like you're a very good officer. I think people say yes to a police officer wanting to search their vehicle because they don't know they can say no. Personally, I would probably ask the officer if I could say no... before I said no. I would think a good officer should tell you the truth.

I swear 90% of the criminals would go free if they didn't run their mouth.

No they won't they will say what ever they want to get to what they "think" the truth is. They might not say you can't say no they will just move right past it and come back with if you have nothing to hide why would you say no or it's just standard procedure we do it all the time. But if they want to look over your car they will dodge your qwestion and keep pushing to get what they want.

Look I'm not even saying it's wrong but if they pulled you over they already think your guilty and there out to prove it. Never give up your rights and know what they are.

Not everyone a cop pulls over is the bad guy but they have to treat it like they are it's just smart. But not every cop is the good guy and you have way to much to lose you have to think this might be the one bad one and protect yourself.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Shane, can I just say as someone who's no fan of authority figures, I am sorry for the ridiculousness you've had to put up with in this thread.

 

[Totally_Red]

I was lukewarm on signing this guy anyway. There is a reason he was cut by Miami.

I guess it shows desperation on the Cardinals part to give this guy a huge contract at age 33 given his past issues with authority.

 

[CaptTurbo]

I was lukewarm on signing this guy anyway. There is a reason he was cut by Miami.

I guess it shows desperation on the Cardinals part to give this guy a huge contract at age 33 given his past issues with authority.

What huge contract? I think we got him for pennies.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

They get a warrant for blood based on your refusal to do a breath test and whatever other factors are involved. You lose your license for 12 months any time you refuse to take a berathalyzer test.

You refuse EVERY TIME. Yes, there are penalties for refusing SB tests, but unless you are so plastered, by the time that a warrant could be issued and test administered, all alcohol should be out of your system.

 

[EndZone]

Hmm so exercising my rights is a sign of guilt ?

Not saying I would refuse a breath test or blood test.

Don't you love the cops logic?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Don't you love the cops logic?

Compared to the logic of those that drink and drive?

 

[Duckjake]

Compared to the logic of those that drink and drive?

BTW: It's not a violation of the law to drink and then drive.

Only to drink enough to raise your blood alcohol level over a legislated amount and then drive.

That's why 21 and I ride the bus from Valle Luna and have someone pick us up from VL after the Cardinal games.

But even that's not 100% safe if people start fighting on the bus ride back!

 

[Cardiac]

Shane, can I just say as someone who's no fan of authority figures, I am sorry for the ridiculousness you've had to put up with in this thread.

I agree that Shane has put up with a lot. He has also handled it extremely well.

As with any profession you have all stars and idiots.

I understand everyone wanting to protect their rights but holy warrent batman how many corrupt cops do you think are out there? If you haven't been drinking or running drugs then let the police search your car. They are simply protecting us, why make their jobs harder?

I have a tendancy to drive over the speed limit, especially on highways. I have had my share of traffic tickets and only on one occassion was the officer a jerk. My running a stop sign I didn't see right in front of him had him thinking I was disrespecting him. By the end of it he was calmed down but we aren't exchaning xmas cards.

 

[az jam]

John Clayton discussed the Joey Porter situation on the Doug & Wolf morning show (Monday morning) and said he created a real mess and could get a one or two game suspension.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I agree that Shane has put up with a lot. He has also handled it extremely well.

As with any profession you have all stars and idiots.

I understand everyone wanting to protect their rights but holy warrent batman how many corrupt cops do you think are out there? If you haven't been drinking or running drugs then let the police search your car. They are simply protecting us, why make their jobs harder?

I have a tendancy to drive over the speed limit, especially on highways. I have had my share of traffic tickets and only on one occassion was the officer a jerk. My running a stop sign I didn't see right in front of him had him thinking I was disrespecting him. By the end of it he was calmed down but we aren't exchaning xmas cards.

I have had nearly the opposite experience. EVERY time I have been pulled over, the cop has been a jerk, when I have been nothing but cordial and respectful.

It has been at least a decade without a ticket for me. knocks on wood Maybe my luck is changing though. I was going 9-11 miles over the limit when a DPS officer over the weekend pulled up right next to me and looked in my window in an obvious attempt to get me to slow down.

 

[JeffGollin]

Oh jesus here we go again. Another claiming possible "DWB" when Porter idiotically put himself in this position. WOW.

Until we know more, it's one of many possibilities to be considered.

Including the possibility that Joey either had imbibed to excess and/or was carrying something in his car he didn't want the police to see.

But if you're going to consider one possibility (which, until we know more, is 95% circumstantial) you've got to consider the other if you're going to be intellectually honest.

You cannot rule out possibility that the cops went out of their way to roust Porter (because he was obnoxious and/or, yes, at least partly because he was Black) - that possibility also being 95% circumstantial).

Or how about a hybrid of both theories: i.e. the cops initially acted appropriately, Joey overreacted to what he thought was an injustice and things escalated from there and got out of hand.

Bottom line - Forget about the "he said/she said" stuff and who, if anyone was "right."

For all we know, Joey may have been simply on his way home from a late night book discussion at Barnes & Noble and simply stopped to help out a friend. Or that he likes the late-night music scene. Doesn't matter - bleep happens (& moreso after midnight).

Sporting a new gazillion dollar contract and the reputation of his employer - and therefore himself - to uphold, he's got a lot more to lose now. Before he puts himself in a potentially ticklish situation, he'd be well-advised to stop and think first before putting himself and others at risk.

 

[Cardiac]

I have had nearly the opposite experience. EVERY time I have been pulled over, the cop has been a jerk, when I have been nothing but cordial and respectful.

It has been at least a decade without a ticket for me. knocks on wood Maybe my luck is changing though. I was going 9-11 miles over the limit when a DPS officer over the weekend pulled up right next to me and looked in my window in an obvious attempt to get me to slow down.

Maybe you shouldn't have been banging on your cowbell.

I typically keep my hands high on the steering wheel so they can see them as they approach my car. I have the window rolled down in advance. I have a very friendly face and am very honest. "Do you know why I pulled you over". Yes officer, I really screwed up my timing on that yellow light". Officer laughs and tells me to stay safe. No ticket.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Maybe you shouldn't have been banging on your cowbell.

I typically keep my hands high on the steering wheel so they can see them as they approach my car. I have the window rolled down in advance. I have a very friendly face and am very honest. "Do you know why I pulled you over". Yes officer, I really screwed up my timing on that yellow light". Officer laughs and tells me to stay safe. No ticket.

Trust me, I do all of that.... well, maybe I don't have a friendly face.

I have tried humor once before. He asked me to step out of the vehicle. True story. LOL

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I have had nearly the opposite experience. EVERY time I have been pulled over, the cop has been a jerk, when I have been nothing but cordial and respectful.

It has been at least a decade without a ticket for me. knocks on wood Maybe my luck is changing though. I was going 9-11 miles over the limit when a DPS officer over the weekend pulled up right next to me and looked in my window in an obvious attempt to get me to slow down.

Most of the time the police have been pretty good to me. I think if you treat them well,they return the favor. You have to remember that about 90% of the time they are dealing with the thugs of society and that has to affect them.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I have never experienced something that would create such a lack of current interest in football.

I guess I have now.

Talk about taking the wind out of the sails for this offseason.

 

[JeffGollin]

Talk about taking the wind out of the sails for this offseason.

Actually, I find it kind of interesting that - after the announcement (that I first saw early Sat.) there hasn't been anything new published about the incident other than accounts of the police press release and the brief Cardinal release.

Just guessing, but I get the feeling that the wagons have been circled - both in Tempe and in Bakersfield and that there's a serious attempt by all parties to contain the situation.

I say this because, normally, when police-blotter things take place, there's a flurry of news stories that take at least a week or two to fade away.

The best 2 things that could happen is that (a) the story does melt away quickly and (b) Joey stays out of trouble from here on out.

 

[EndZone]

I have had nearly the opposite experience. EVERY time I have been pulled over, the cop has been a jerk, when I have been nothing but cordial and respectful.

I am in the same boat, and honestly I get pulled over ALOT. I work swing shift so I am always driving home at around midnight and I have never been pulled over so often in my life! And not one ticket...these damn cops are just fishing and pulling me over for complete BS. I have had them ask me to take a field sobriety test twice in the last 2 years...driving straight home from work no drinking. (I said NO both times, and I was not arrested either time cause they had no proof of anything) I even had one cop tell me he smelled alcohol, and asked how much had I drank

 

[Yuma]

I had a good experience with a traffic stop recently. I was driving on a road that was not in a neighborhood. It was miles from the nearest house. Sitting by the road were two squad cars, parked so they could chat to each other. This road isn't well traveled, so I bet their time there was boring. Anyway, I drive by doing 35 and wave to both officers. Immediately, one of the cars pulls out as I pass and he throws the lights on. I pull over, and the officer approaches and asks if I know what the speed limit is. I shrug and say I thought it was 35. He says no, in fact it's 25. I look around and there's no houses for miles around, and I point that out. He then asks if I have any points on my drivers license or any recent tickets. I say no. So he asks for ID, registration, etc. I give him all the stuff and he leaves and goes back to his car. I'm thinking, well, here's a ticket. He comes back and acts amazed. He says you weren't lying about not having any tickets or points. I say, why would I lie to you? He says, well you are the first one to tell me the truth in quite a while, and I know you saw both the squad cars because you waved to us. So he says he isn't even going to write me a warning, let alone a ticket. He was like, have a nice day and remember it's 25 through here.

 

[40yearfan]

I am in the same boat, and honestly I get pulled over ALOT. I work swing shift so I am always driving home at around midnight and I have never been pulled over so often in my life! And not one ticket...these damn cops are just fishing and pulling me over for complete BS. I have had them ask me to take a field sobriety test twice in the last 2 years...driving straight home from work no drinking. (I said NO both times, and I was not arrested either time cause they had no proof of anything) I even had one cop tell me he smelled alcohol, and asked how much had I drank

Maybe you just look like a drunk?

 

[EndZone]

Maybe you just look like a drunk?

That made me laugh

 

[Sandan]

Compared to the logic of those that drink and drive?

I NEVER drink and drive.

Even many years ago when I was 18 [many, many years ago] and I was legally able to both drink [UK is not as moronically uptight about drinking being immoral or wrong] and legally able to drive....

Back then I and my buddies used to take my beat up car into the wilds of Hertfordshire and the soundings looking for ever better pubs. We, note WE decided we needed a designated driver, though the term didn't exist back then. So we got my friend on the insurance and we alternated the driving.

And the UK had and has much harsher DUI penalties than here rather than focus on a lower limit with limited teeth.

So please don't roll your eyes when I object to being asked to submit to a subjective sobriety test.