Brett Hundley: Playing for Cardinals would be dream come true

[dreamcastrocks]

Logan Thomas is not a reason not to draft Brett Hundley.

Yes he is. Why draft the same player to sit on the bench and not get any reps?

 

[Russ Smith]

Thanks for the head's up. I had read that UCLA played him in the gun because he was poor at reading defenses and that they would simply flash a card so that he would know how to run the play.

If you saw the Texas game it was a revelation. Hundley couldn't play after the first series so Jerry Neuheisel played the rest of the game.. Jerry is a coaches son who is a walkon caliber player, has no business starting a game at UCLA but he was the backup. He didn't do anything special at all, but the whole game it was obvious how suddenly the terrible UCLA offensive line didn't look so bad. Hundley started that game ok but it was so obvious after he got hurt that even though Neuheisel had a weak arm and wasn't even on the same planet physically, he actually knew the offense and ran the offense better.

not saying he's a better player, he's not, not even close just doesn't have the talent. But when the rush came he stepped up or got rid of the ball. When they stacked the box, he audibled to a pass. It was so obvious watching that if Hundley had the feel and pocket presence that Jerry did, he'd be a great QB.

For the rest of the year UCLA fans talked about it, if you look at the numbers Jerry had a mediocre game against a team daring him to throw deep the whole game. He made one throw at the end to win the game. But if you watched that game and compared it to Hundley, it was striking how much more comfortable Jerry looked in the offense.

 

[Russ Smith]

But what if he was available in round 4? Guys like Hundley fall all of the time. He has some elite traits, but also some very poor traits.

Not to compare the two at all, but if anyone remembers Brady wasn't even a consistent starter at Michigan.

What scares me about Hundley is that when I've seen him play I've never thought he looked like a legitimate NFL QB despite his decent arm, size, and athletic ability. I think his numbers are more of a function of Mazzone's system than an indicator of his talent.

Yeah I have no qualms with him in the 4th round. Some guys get it late, I'm just not sure I can think of too many QB's who came into the league with terrible pocket presence and turned out good?

He is a great kid, he's not going to embarass you, and maybe he does pan out, but I wouldn't pick him before the 4th round.

 

[Russ Smith]

One thing I have learned when watching tape on QB's is to not watch the play, who cares if they threw a 60yd TD, it's college. You have to watch their head, and their feet.

I watched some tape on Youtube on this guy and I dont see this kid looking off recievers and going through a progression. Also, his footwork in the pocket is questionable at best. He stepped up into throws nicely, but he is either glued in the pocket or he's scrambling.

He might be good, but no way I would use a 1st round pick on him. Noooo thank you.

My thing on Hundley is for all the UCLA fans that used to complain about mazzone, there were 3-4 plays a game where Mazzone would design a play that on scheme alone resulted in a UCLA guy running 10 yards behind the defense. They didn't have speed at WR for the most part, but Mazzone was so good at getting mismatches that he was able to get guys wide open in every game just about.

My guess is Hundley hit on about 25-355 of those plays. They look great on a highlight tape but the number of times he had someone wide open and missed was pretty disappointing.

I feel bad, he's a terrific kid, he's just not an NFL starting QB IMO.

 

[Russ Smith]

I wouldn't use a 3rd-5th round pick on him either. He is prospect and we already have one of those in Thomas.

There's a difference though, Hundley actually is a QB, Thomas isn't.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

There's a difference though, Hundley actually is a QB, Thomas isn't.

Sigh.

 

[ajcardfan]

There's a difference though, Hundley actually is a QB, Thomas isn't.

Yeah, Hundley showed far more in college than Thomas did. What I don't understand, is where that first preseason game for Thomas came from. He's never played better.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Yeah, Hundley showed far more in college than Thomas did. What I don't understand, is where that first preseason game for Thomas came from. He's never played better.

He played out of his mind. If he can get it together, you never know. Hundley's ceiling isn't much better than Thomas's. Especially if we are talking about spending yet another mid round pick.

 

[ajcardfan]

He played out of his mind. If he can get it together, you never know. Hundley's ceiling isn't much better than Thomas's. Especially if we are talking about spending yet another mid round pick.

It was like Kurt Warner with more zip on the ball.

But, man, he was never even a shadow of that the other times he stepped on the field last year. And, to get benched the day after being named a starter because he blew so hard in practice, that LINDLEY was put back on the field. Something just doesn't add up with the kid.

 

[Chopper0080]

Just a comment in general, at no one in particular.

Kevin Minter was drafted in the second round, looked like hot garbage playing, and people have preached patience.

Jonathan cooper was drafted in the top 10, can't stay healthy, and can't beat out Ted Larsen when he is, and people say give him more snaps.

Logan Thomas, a 4th round pick who EVERYONE acknowledged was raw, looks overwhelmed when thrust into the hardest position in the NFL, and people wonder what happened?

Seriously?

 

[Russ Smith]

Sigh.

I'm serious. Thomas tried to hire one of the more prominent QB coaches in the country in Steve Clarkson. Clarkson worked him out, and then told him I have to be honest, it would not be fair for me to take your money, you are not a QB. He wound up hiring another QB coach and so far no evidence it made any difference.

There were a number of NFL teams who had him pegged as a guy you draft and convert to TE, which he played quite a bit of in HS.

He's not a natural QB, when you watch him play it's obvious, he has a great arm, big kid, but he has zero feel for the position. I think it was K9 who poitned out the one game Thomas played he had exactly one play that was neither no gain or lost yardage, the fluke TD where he threw into double coverage and the defenders essentially collided leaving Ellington there for the catch and TD run. Every other play he ran was either no gain or a loss.

Hundley actually is a QB, he's just not going to be a good NFL one because he reacts to the pass rush so poorly.

 

[ajcardfan]

I'm serious. Thomas tried to hire one of the more prominent QB coaches in the country in Steve Clarkson. Clarkson worked him out, and then told him I have to be honest, it would not be fair for me to take your money, you are not a QB. He wound up hiring another QB coach and so far no evidence it made any difference.

FWIW, Manziel had the exact same QB coach as LT. He demanded to go head to head in drills with LT and kicked his ass in drills. This was all well known by even casual fans before the draft, which is why I was so disappointed by the LT pick. But, he's our guy now and I'm trying to have the faintest hope that he pans out to some extent.

 

[juza76]

First time hear a player saying. Play for cardinals would bé a drean