Brian Winters And Max Garcia

[Chris_Sanders]

This seems to be the competition for the right side.

RT: Beachum, Jones, Gilbert (lol)
RG: Murray, Winters, Jones

 

[juza76]

This seems to be the competition for the right side.

RT: Beachum, Jones, Gilbert (lol)
RG: Murray, Winters, Jones

They can still draft tevon Jenkins if they trade down, he will bring athleticism and nastiness, and finally our line would be a strenght
Then getting a cb in round 2

 

[BritCard]

This seems to be the competition for the right side.

RT: Beachum, Jones, Gilbert (lol)
RG: Murray, Winters, Jones

I like the idea of Gilbert kicking inside to Guard. If Murray can do it, and we talk about Jones doing it, why not Gilbert?

He's always been a quality lineman and the move inside will limit any movement issues he has post injuries. He's also had a year of rest and costs vet min.

On a purely talent basis Gilbert is far better than any of the other options, if he can handle the move. I don't see why he couldn't.

 

[football karma]

They can still draft tevon Jenkins if they trade down, he will bring athleticism and nastiness, and finally our line would be a strenght
Then getting a cb in round 2

i think this pretty much guarantees that no OL in rounds 1 or 2

 

[Chris_Sanders]

They can still draft tevon Jenkins if they trade down, he will bring athleticism and nastiness, and finally our line would be a strenght
Then getting a cb in round 2

I believe it's the strength of the team right now after Hudson. Solid vets combined with some youth.

I am guessing the only way they take an offensive lineman in this draft is they trade back to pick up a third and there is a lineman that fell

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Didn't the Raiders just trade one of their starting guards for a late pick?

How was he rated?

 

[Stout]

So, like Winters.

A 24 year old has scope to improve. A 30 year old is already set at bad.

We've seen what we have in Cole. Granted, a backup isn't going to be lights-out--they're going to be sub-par--but I don't like him one bit. I'll gladly kick the tires on a vet like Winters as a backup. Plus, there's the chance a vet from a winning team like the Bills can bring some much-needed leadership.

 

[football karma]

Didn't the Raiders just trade one of their starting guards for a late pick?

How was he rated?

Gabe Jackson

40th overall (63.7)

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Gabe Jackson

40th overall (63.7)

Thanks for the input.

Financial and quality wise would that have been a better move?

 

[BritCard]

Thanks for the input.

Financial and quality wise would that have been a better move?

He has a 10m cap hit

 

[football karma]

my guess on what is happening:

last year the interior of the line had too many mental errors resulting in free runs at Kyler Murray

to fix:

step 1: High-end experienced center to make sure the calls are correct / anchor the middle
step 2: continuity everywhere else
step 3: competition and depth from experienced players

So, the offseason was about providing both a better level of security for Murray, but also depth in the event a lineman goes down. They decided not to go with rookies as they come with a learning curve that can get your QB hit too much.

three guys can play left tackle: DJ, Beachum and Josh Jones. Add Murray for tackle on the right.
guards?: Pugh, Murray, Jones, Winters, Garcia, Gaillard and Cole
center: Hudson, Cole, Gaillard

if you carry 10 OL during the year -- thats the names above. No rookies taken this year.

 

[Chopper0080]

Cutting Mason Cole for Brian Winters would be a very "Keim" thing to do.

 

[cardncubfan]

Cutting Mason Cole for Brian Winters would be a very "Keim" thing to do.

It wouldn't be a wise move & I don't think Keim would do it.

 

[QuebecCard]

I like the idea of Gilbert kicking inside to Guard. If Murray can do it, and we talk about Jones doing it, why not Gilbert?

He's always been a quality lineman and the move inside will limit any movement issues he has post injuries. He's also had a year of rest and costs vet min.

On a purely talent basis Gilbert is far better than any of the other options, if he can handle the move. I don't see why he couldn't.

If he's healthy and motivated, Gilbert is the RT.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If he's healthy and motivated, Gilbert is the RT.

The last time he played more than 7 games . . . 2016. Banking on him as your starter would be the dumbest move of Keim’s offseason.
2016 - 13 games
2017 - 7
2018 - 5
2019 - ZERO
2020 - ZERO

 

[Dayman]

The last time he played more than 7 games . . . 2016. Banking on him as your starter would be the dumbest move of Keim’s offseason.
2016 - 13 games
2017 - 7
2018 - 5
2019 - ZERO
2020 - ZERO

And banking on Alford is almost as dumb.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

And banking on Alford is almost as dumb.

Amen

 

[BritCard]

If he's healthy and motivated, Gilbert is the RT.

I'm not sure at his age and with his history of leg injuries he will still have enough mobility to compete at tackle.

But I think he could be very good at Guard. He's always been a big and powerful unit.

 

[CardNots]

The last time he played more than 7 games . . . 2016. Banking on him as your starter would be the dumbest move of Keim’s offseason.
2016 - 13 games
2017 - 7
2018 - 5
2019 - ZERO
2020 - ZERO

Should be rested

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Should be rested

One would think so

 

[slanidrac16]

I like the idea of Gilbert kicking inside to Guard. If Murray can do it, and we talk about Jones doing it, why not Gilbert?

He's always been a quality lineman and the move inside will limit any movement issues he has post injuries. He's also had a year of rest and costs vet min.

On a purely talent basis Gilbert is far better than any of the other options, if he can handle the move. I don't see why he couldn't.

He hasn’t played a down in two years. He’s our Alford of the offense.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Should be rested

Lol. Well, that’s one way to look at it.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

He hasn’t played a down in two years. He’s our Alford of the offense.

More than 2 years. He missed 11 games the year before.

 

[BritCard]

He hasn’t played a down in two years. He’s our Alford of the offense.

I know, does that stop him trying to play Guard?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I know, does that stop him trying to play Guard?

Of course not. He should be in the mix. But it’s certainly not a great “plan.” And definitely not an improvement for the future.