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Pretty much. The MLB for a national championship Notre Dame team who told a whole bunch of inspiring stories whilst beating cupcakes on the schedule, but everyone saw them because the Golden Domers have their own network.

Ask Jimmy Claussen what playing in South Bend does for your national pub versus what NFL scouts see.

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Instincts/Recognition

1

Outstanding instincts. Diagnoses run as quickly as any LB in this class and is not far off from the elite in years past (Sean Lee, Luke Kuechley, etc). Anticipates and gets headed in the right direction while he's still diagnosing. That allows him to play much faster than any 40-yard dash time he runs. Also flashes the innate 'snap shot' quality prior to taking on block, which leads to more plays made after disengagement. Recognizes and reacts quicker than most LBs to screens and draws. Displays very good awareness in underneath zone coverage.



Take-on Skills

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Adequate size and strength. Can deliver heavy hit to draw stalemate against bigger blockers. Also shows ability to absorb blocks but has room for improvement in this department. Displays very active hands and usually does a good job of keeping blockers off of frame when he's looking to stay on the move. Can occasionally take on block with wrong shoulder but more often than not he's technically sound in this area. Can improve overall consistency with run fits. Gets in most trouble when he tries to more than just his job.



Range vs. Run

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Displays very good range versus the run. Plays sideline-to-sideline versus the run thanks in large part to outstanding instincts. He moves very well laterally while keeping his pads square to the line of scrimmage. Also shows adequate change-of-direction skills. Protects lower body well and plays on his feet. Closes quickly.



Tackling

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A strong, reliable and fundamentally sound tackler. A thumper that flashes ability to run through tackles and deliver heavy hit. Does a nice job of wrapping up upon contact and can lasso ball carriers at the legs. Takes good angles in pursuit and shows very good body control in space as a tackler. During film study it was few and far between him missing tackles he should make.



3rd Down Capabilities

3

Quicker than fast. Shows good body control. Has some stiffness in hips but can stop-start with adequate transition quickness. Displays adequate range in zone coverage thanks in large part to very good instincts in coverage. Can carry TEs down field. However, will have limitations when it comes to sticking with quicker RBs out of the backfield. Excellent ball skills. Can pluck on the run and looks the ball in. A playmaker when the ball is in the air. Displays good timing with pressures. Also shows excellent power and hands to work through blocks. He shows decent closing burst on tape and is relentless in pursuit of QBs.

They did put at the end though "Played at Notre Dame though so ignore all of the above" ;)

1 = Exceptional 2 = Above average 3 = Average4 = Below average 5 = Marginal
 
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Sheesh I missed this part:

Instincts/Recognition

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Outstanding instincts. Diagnoses run as quickly as any LB in this class and is not far off from the elite in years past (Sean Lee, Luke Kuechley, etc). Anticipates and gets headed in the right direction while he's still diagnosing. That allows him to play much faster than any 40-yard dash time he runs. Also flashes the innate 'snap shot' quality prior to taking on block, which leads to more plays made after disengagement. Recognizes and reacts quicker than most LBs to screens and draws. Displays very good awareness in underneath zone coverage.

Had a fake GF so really ignore this above rating. Do not draft

Oh man thanks non biased people for clearing that up!
 

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Scouts Inc agrees. (91 rated. BPA)



They did put at the end though "Played at Notre Dame though so ignore all of the above" ;)

1 = Exceptional 2 = Above average 3 = Average4 = Below average 5 = Marginal

Hmm... Scouts Inc... Which NFL club do they work for? Because the opinion of NFL clubs is kind of damning in this case.

I'm sure that ESPN doesn't have any water to carry for Notre Dame...

...Oh, wait. They were one of the guilty networks who believed that the dead girlfriend story was too fantastic to check on.

Whoops.
 

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I'd be fine with Manti in the 3rd round, I have absolutely no concerns on the character front. I worry about his lateral quickness and his inability to adjust when he's at full speed as he's prone to overrunning the play. I don't think he'd be horrible value at our spot in the 2nd round but right now it's looking like we might have better options available.

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Hmm... Scouts Inc... Which NFL club do they work for? Because the opinion of NFL clubs is kind of damning in this case.

I'm sure that ESPN doesn't have any water to carry for Notre Dame...

...Oh, wait. They were one of the guilty networks who believed that the dead girlfriend story was too fantastic to check on.

Whoops.

Right...the Lombardi Award, the Butkus Award, the Lott Award, Scouts Inc (independent contractors), NFL, CBS, NBC, ESPN...heck pretty much every major media outlet have decided to gamble their reputation on a player's capability because the school the played at.

Seems perfectly reasonable to me. Thanks!
 

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He looked real bad against bama, forgot about that. Couldn't get off blocks, got out played the whole game. It wasn't "his head wasn't in the game" either, Alabama just owned him

So what do you think about this guy? Quanterus Smith 6'5" 250 Western Kentucky. He had 3 sacks last season vs Alabama. THREE!

If he's there in the 7th I grab him, let him rehab for half a year and then turn him loose on Kaepernik and Wilson. Maybe he'd make up for Schofield.
 

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Two down linebacker's are 3rd to 5th round territory imo. I don't want him in the 3rd even, but I wouldn't hate it then. But there's better NFL football players imo.

If he's there in the 4th fine. 5th round, I'd like it. So really 4th or 5th round or no Te'o.

I just don't see this guy as anything more than a marginal two down starter.

He is slow, as I'm sure all he did after the combine was train for the 40. I expect him to be back to his slower self when he isn't training specifically for that.

We're entering an era when speed at LB position is taking the 'normal' speed for a LB and making that 'slow'. In other words, the LB's of today need to be faster than the standard of the past, and Te'o is slow by the past standard.

He was protected up front and when he finally had to deal with the type of chaos of linemen in his grill he'll see at the NFL level on an every game basis, he failed miserably.

Again too slow to cover a TE that isn't Jeff King slow. Would find his way on Kapernick and Wilson's highlight reel due to being too slow.

Don't like his instincts.

If his name isn't Te'o, he's just another mid round ILB that would be projected to be a backup with the possibility to be a marginal starter.

I'd rather have Paris Lenon the next three years.

Lots of college players win awards. Many of them don't pan out. He was good for the collegiate level because the players and game don't outstrip his attributes.

In the NFL they are all smarter, quicker, faster, stronger, and sometimes guys just can't make the transition.

We can get a bonafide starter the next couple of rounds. We shouldn't be drafting a two down lb until it's that time of the draft.

I can see us getting future starters even in the 4th round. Major additions. In this draft I see him as a 5th rounder. If the guys I want all get snapped up earlier, perhaps 4th. Though I expect some GM to make a mistake and take him tomorrow.

There's little reason to think he can come in and start. He'll be a backup and only on the first two downs. If he develops into a starter, he won't be a star. He'll always need to come out on 3rd down.

Again, doesn't matter if his name is Pink Elephant or Bloody Butcher. You take guys like that late in the draft, not 2nd round.

I hope he proves me wrong. But in the draft we could get a starting center in the 3rd or 4th round. A good one. Or a Lattimore. Or a starting safety. I take guys like that, and leave the projected backup/marginal/limited starters to late round picks.

My opinion could be wrong, but that's my opinion.
 
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So explain exactly what the issue is here and how it relates to play on the football field.

I have asked this more than once and have yet to see any relevance.
Relevance is the last thing I've seen in your Te'o posts, your focusing on one made up thing and putting it on others, but what do I know (or the rest of the NFL), I'm just a phobic pothead, so do your thing, but don't ask me any questions about Te'o por favor, because you have all the answers. I am seriously offended by your tone.
 
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Relevance is the last thing I've seen in your Te'o posts, your focusing on one made up thing and putting it on others, but what do I know (or the rest of the NFL), I'm just a phobic pothead, so do your thing, but don't ask me any questions about Te'o por favor, because you have all the answers. I am seriously offended by your tone.

Still haven't answered the question...what does his fake GF have to do with him as a football player?

Deflection deflection...

I haven't called you a phobic pothead. Are you feeling like a phobic pothead?
 
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Two down linebacker's are 3rd to 5th round territory imo. I don't want him in the 3rd even, but I wouldn't hate it then. But there's better NFL football players imo.

If he's there in the 4th fine. 5th round, I'd like it. So really 4th or 5th round or no Te'o.

I just don't see this guy as anything more than a marginal two down starter.

He is slow, as I'm sure all he did after the combine was train for the 40. I expect him to be back to his slower self when he isn't training specifically for that.

We're entering an era when speed at LB position is taking the 'normal' speed for a LB and making that 'slow'. In other words, the LB's of today need to be faster than the standard of the past, and Te'o is slow by the past standard.

He was protected up front and when he finally had to deal with the type of chaos of linemen in his grill he'll see at the NFL level on an every game basis, he failed miserably.

Again too slow to cover a TE that isn't Jeff King slow. Would find his way on Kapernick and Wilson's highlight reel due to being too slow.

Don't like his instincts.

If his name isn't Te'o, he's just another mid round ILB that would be projected to be a backup with the possibility to be a marginal starter.

I'd rather have Paris Lenon the next three years.

Lots of college players win awards. Many of them don't pan out. He was good for the collegiate level because the players and game don't outstrip his attributes.

In the NFL they are all smarter, quicker, faster, stronger, and sometimes guys just can't make the transition.

We can get a bonafide starter the next couple of rounds. We shouldn't be drafting a two down lb until it's that time of the draft.

I can see us getting future starters even in the 4th round. Major additions. In this draft I see him as a 5th rounder. If the guys I want all get snapped up earlier, perhaps 4th. Though I expect some GM to make a mistake and take him tomorrow.

There's little reason to think he can come in and start. He'll be a backup and only on the first two downs. If he develops into a starter, he won't be a star. He'll always need to come out on 3rd down.

Again, doesn't matter if his name is Pink Elephant or Bloody Butcher. You take guys like that late in the draft, not 2nd round.

I hope he proves me wrong. But in the draft we could get a starting center in the 3rd or 4th round. A good one. Or a Lattimore. Or a starting safety. I take guys like that, and leave the projected backup/marginal/limited starters to late round picks.

My opinion could be wrong, but that's my opinion.

Well stated opinion thank you. I respect that.
 

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Still haven't answered the question...what does his fake GF have to do with him as a football player?

Deflection deflection...

I haven't called you a phobic pothead. Are you feeling like a phobic pothead?

Nothing. Him not being a very good pro football prospect is the problem with him coming to my football team. Some teams desperate for help at ILB passed on him fairly late in the first round.

Did you watch him in the national championship game? He was dominated by a bunch of guys who are going to play in the NFL.

In the NFL, all of the guys are going to play in the NFL. I don't see the Navy Midshipmen or Wake Forest Demon Deacons on any NFL team's schedule this year.
 

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So what do you think about this guy? Quanterus Smith 6'5" 250 Western Kentucky. He had 3 sacks last season vs Alabama. THREE!

If he's there in the 7th I grab him, let him rehab for half a year and then turn him loose on Kaepernik and Wilson. Maybe he'd make up for Schofield.

We should take him rd 6 if he's there & redshirt him! I think he's the best pass rushing OLB on our roster in 2014
 

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Still haven't answered the question...what does his fake GF have to do with him as a football player?

Deflection deflection...

I haven't called you a phobic pothead. Are you feeling like a phobic pothead?
You aint pushing my buttons homie, you just looking bad. You insinuated it wasn't like Manti was a pothead or anyhting, meaning he is above me. You insinuated I didn't want Te'o because of his sexual prefrence, which isn't even an issue. I called him stupid, and you aint fooling anybody with your FOX NEWS redactions or retypes. I'm done with this converastion today, I'll be around like a circle if you wanna talk about it later. Much respect.
 
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Nothing. Him not being a very good pro football prospect is the problem with him coming to my football team. Some teams desperate for help at ILB passed on him fairly late in the first round.

Did you watch him in the national championship game? He was dominated by a bunch of guys who are going to play in the NFL.

In the NFL, all of the guys are going to play in the NFL. I don't see the Navy Midshipmen or Wake Forest Demon Deacons on any NFL team's schedule this year.

I respect this a lot more than "He had a fake gf".

Yes I watched the championship game. I said as much.

He had a poor game and that is indefensible.

He also had a great game against Oklahoma. I try to not focus on one game but the entire career. Look saying he is overrated is fine. You can point to that game, his 40 time, or other things.

To say that he is solely a product of where he played is disengenious and we both know that.
 

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Nothing. Him not being a very good pro football prospect is the problem with him coming to my football team. Some teams desperate for help at ILB passed on him fairly late in the first round.

Did you watch him in the national championship game? He was dominated by a bunch of guys who are going to play in the NFL.

In the NFL, all of the guys are going to play in the NFL. I don't see the Navy Midshipmen or Wake Forest Demon Deacons on any NFL team's schedule this year.

I think he will have a solid NFL career, but nothing out of the ordinary. I agree about him getting gobbled up in the run game & think his best attribute is his ability to read the QB in pass D
 
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You aint pushing my buttons homie, you just looking bad. You insinuated it wasn't like Manti was a pothead or anyhting, meaning he is above me. You insinuated I didn't want Te'o because of his sexual prefrence, which isn't even an issue. I called him stupid, and you aint fooling anybody with your FOX NEWS redactions or retypes. I'm done with this converastion today, I'll be around like a circle if you wanna talk about it later. Much respect.

So he is stupid off the field, which affects him as a football player how?

Do you discount drafting any football player because he is stupid off the field?

I am asking non sarcastic real questions here. I seriously don't understand where you are going with this. It is all vague.

This isn't personal. I was actually speaking of pothead in reference to the earlier comment that people would want the Honey Badger, who is a pothead and has screwed up his entire career over and over despite repeated chances.

Wasn't my intention to make it personal. Mia culpa.
 
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When matched against real talent he falls shor (Alabama game).. I don't believe he has a killer instinct.. The fake GF thing was just icing on the cake..

Fair enough...thank you for answering the question.

Championship game is a real reason to be concerned. I think it is the main reason he fell. Most guys with his body of work aren't there in the second round.
 
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This is an epic thread if we draft him or not. No offense Bodha but I am not frequently on your side of the arguement :D
 

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This is an epic thread if we draft him or not. No offense Bodha but I am not frequently on your side of the arguement :D

Yeah, if you find yourself on the same side as Bodha, it's a good sign that you should reconsider your position. :mulli:
 

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Fair enough...thank you for answering the question.

Championship game is a real reason to be concerned. I think it is the main reason he fell. Most guys with his body of work aren't there in the second round.

One thing about these Championship games is that they are played a month after the season is over. I've never put much stock in them. Like I've posted many times Matt Leinart had a great game passing vs Texas who had 5 DBs who have been starters in the NFL.

Meanwhile there's things like this: USC:The Irish prevailed by a score of 22-13, led by five field goals by Kyle Brindza and an interception by Manti Te'o. Throw in Te'o's two goal line stuffs and you have the story of this game.

Oklahoma:

Jones tried to rally the Sooners, but linebacker Dan Fox slammed into Saunders as the pass arrived and Te'o - seemingly always around the ball -....................


Te'o racked up 11 tackles in the first half, plowing through Jones for his first sack to end one drive


Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/gameflash/2012/10/27/49680/index.html#ixzz2RXrlXChm

So who knows. Like was mentioned in another thread, the geniuses that run the draft for NFL teams all passed on Burfict in every round. But it looks like the Bengals got themselves a fairly good LB as an UDFA.
 

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My two concerns with Te'o are coverage skills and his mindset. I know the Fake GF thing is humorous, but how he responds from the distraction will be paramount in his transition to the pros. The mediocre combine didn't help in dispelling this notion. He has a serious demeanor, and I hope it doesn't define his career. He has too much natural talent.
 

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My two concerns with Te'o are coverage skills and his mindset. I know the Fake GF thing is humorous, but how he responds from the distraction will be paramount in his transition to the pros. The mediocre combine didn't help in dispelling this notion. He has a serious demeanor, and I hope it doesn't define his career. He has too much natural talent.

Mindset maybe but coverage skills? He had 7 interceptions last season. But he's not going to be a Cardinal anyway. Our new ILBs are going to be Jasper and Nico Johnson.
 

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