Bruce Arians + Cardinals Offense what will it look like?

[Chopper0080]

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Geno seems to have by far the best deep ball of any QB prospects. He can throw it deep and accurate.

The knock on Geno is his deep balls hang and he doesn't drive the ball down the field. Deep throws by Geno are more rainbows than high velocity throws down the field.

Just the scouting report.

 

[Chopper0080]

Nice part is that Fitzgerald becomes relevant again. Arians uses combination routes to isolate and create space for wide receivers which is why Reggie Wayne had such a great year despite being the only proven WR option. Fitzgerald will not be held under 4 catches in any game next year and that is a conservative number.

 

[Totally_Red]

Nice part is that Fitzgerald becomes relevant again. Arians uses combination routes to isolate and create space for wide receivers which is why Reggie Wayne had such a great year despite being the only proven WR option. Fitzgerald will not be held under 4 catches in any game next year and that is a conservative number.

Agreed! With this hire there is absolutely no chance that the Cardinals even consider trading Larry Fitzgerald. Larry may be the happiest Cardinal of them all about this hire. If as rumored, the Cardinals bring in Jerry Sullivan to coach the receivers, I'm excited about what Andre Roberts, Rob Housler and Michael Floyd can do in the Arians offense. It won't be Warner, Fitz, Q, and Breaston, but it also won't be the mess it's been for the last three years.

 

[cardinalsfan]

I now think we'll draft Tyler Bray or Glennon. Arians throws the ball downfield and those two have the biggest arms and are big guys in general. Tyler Wilson does not seem like a fit for Arians offense because he's not as sturdy as those two to take all the hits they will eventually be exposed to.

Tyler Wilson not sturdy enough? He's arguably one of the toughest players in the draft regardless of position. He hangs in there, delivers, and takes shot after shot. Tyler Bray and Glennon are both very thin and panicky in the pocket.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

The knock on Geno is his deep balls hang and he doesn't drive the ball down the field. Deep throws by Geno are more rainbows than high velocity throws down the field.

Just the scouting report.

Have you seen his deep throws? They almost always hit the receiver in stride. Doesn't matter to me how it gets there as long as it gets there with accuracy.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Tyler Wilson not sturdy enough? He's arguably one of the toughest players in the draft regardless of position. He hangs in there, delivers, and takes shot after shot. Tyler Bray and Glennon are both very thin and panicky in the pocket.

You're confusing toughness for sturdiness. Wilson may be tough, but that won't stop him from missing a lot of games in the NFL (see Kevin Kolb).

 

[JeffGollin]

Well, I have to admit, and I am horrible for saying this, that while I was never high on the Suck for Luck situation.

I wouldn't be too out of sorts, if we got the first pick next year, and picked up Teddy Bridgewater.

That kid is very, very special, IMO. Worth a year of pai.....well actually I have been through some bad seasons, so I can easily watch 2-14 team if it gets us Bridgewater.

As for John Skelton...who knows. Maybe he plays well enough to be called Double Deuce once again !............and maybe not.

I like Bridgewater - cool under fire. Never quits on a play. Finds ways to beat you.

 

[Chopper0080]

Have you seen his deep throws? They almost always hit the receiver in stride. Doesn't matter to me how it gets there as long as it gets there with accuracy.

Rainbows that give professional CBs/Ss time to get to the receiver and break up the pass. Facts are like a throw from the outfield in baseball, velocity on the deep ball from a QB is very important.

 

[JeffGollin]

Almost every post on this thread has zero'd in on QB play.

Pardon me, but what about the offensive line? And what will we need to have a respectable run game?

 

[Totally_Red]

Almost every post on this thread has zero'd in on QB play.

Pardon me, but what about the offensive line? And what will we need to have a respectable run game?

Adding Mike Tice would be nice.

 

[Chopper0080]

Almost every post on this thread has zero'd in on QB play.

Pardon me, but what about the offensive line? And what will we need to have a respectable run game?

Needs better talent, especially inside. That is unquestioned.

 

[ARZCardinals]

Cards O needs
O line
QB

can live with our TE's and WR's.

Needing a min of 5 players.
LT, LG, C, RG (Massie) and QB.

expecting an entire O line draft come draft day for the 1st 4 rounds.

 

[crisper57]

Here is what it will look like without massive upgrades:

1. Running game will be a) RB's hit consistently in the backfield OR b) Beanie doing his slip-n-slide routine.

2. Arians loves screens, doesn't he? Probably should know that those plays don't work in AZ. Never have, never will. Still, I bet he doesn't figure that out for another couple of years.

3. Passing pretty much involves Kolb running for his life and rolling around on the ground holding his latest "owie"

4. Receiving is pretty much Fitz running around frustrated.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Rainbows that give professional CBs/Ss time to get to the receiver and break up the pass. Facts are like a throw from the outfield in baseball, velocity on the deep ball from a QB is very important.

If the receiver has a step on the defender and the ball is perfectly thrown in stride than how did the defender magically catch up and make a play on the ball?

Also I'm not talking about 20 yard post routes right now, but the long 40+ bombs down the field. Lack of arm strength is going to hurt your ability to complete deep ins and outs and the 20 yard post patterns and other routes like those, but shouldn't* have as much of an effect on the long bombs down the field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljnuo-Os01c

Watch the play that starts at 3:29. To me that's is a pretty good display of arm strength.

 

[Chopper0080]

If the receiver has a step on the defender and the ball is perfectly thrown in stride than how did the defender magically catch up and make a play on the ball?

Also I'm not talking about 20 yard post routes right now, but the long 40+ bombs down the field. Lack of arm strength is going to hurt your ability to complete deep ins and outs and the 20 yard post patterns and other routes like those, but shouldn't* have as much of an effect on the long bombs down the field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljnuo-Os01c

Watch the play that starts at 3:29. To me that's is a pretty good display of arm strength.

The problem with the bombs down the field is that in the pros those CBs are 3 inches taller, longer arms and are faster. The longer the ball ahngs in the air, the less of a step the WR has. This is especially true for our team. Fitzgerald is not going to keep seperation for long while the ball is in the air, and neither is Floyd. We don't have Mike Wallace on this team for Geno to throw it up to.

 

[CtCardinals78]

For anyone interested this is an excellent read on Arian's offensive philosophy.

http://blogs.thescore.com/nfl/2012/05/22/the-tape-never-lies-bruce-arians-multiple-formations/

 

[Duckjake]

Almost every post on this thread has zero'd in on QB play.

Pardon me, but what about the offensive line? And what will we need to have a respectable run game?

The offensive line got better two weeks ago. Respectable run game will depend on whether the RBs are on the field or in the Red Cross tent.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I hope Arians adds a speed receiver to this offense. He had Mike Wallace in Pittsburgh and T.Y. Hilton last year in Indy and Arians used them both very effectively. Maybe Wallace comes to Arizona in free agency .

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Tyler Wilson not sturdy enough? He's arguably one of the toughest players in the draft regardless of position. He hangs in there, delivers, and takes shot after shot. Tyler Bray and Glennon are both very thin and panicky in the pocket.

Wilson is my favorite QB in the draft but he doesn't have the size of the other two and has already had concussion issues in college. Arians QB's get hit alot and that's where my concern about Wilson being a fit in his offense comes from. But, believe me, I have no problems with the Cards selecting Wilson, I just think they may go for the bigger guy.

 

[CtCardinals78]

I hope Arians adds a speed receiver to this offense. He had Mike Wallace in Pittsburgh and T.Y. Hilton last year in Indy and Arians used them both very effectively. Maybe Wallace comes to Arizona in free agency .

I was thinking the same thing. I'm expecting a speedy WR in round 4 or later

 

[THESMEL]

Well his comments about how he simplified Whiz's offense in Pittsburg, so the QB can see "the picture" was the meat and taters of what I heard. He came in after Whiz before and understands the differences and the sames of the Whisenhunt ofense.

The whole offense needs to see the picture every play- Grimm had the oline reading and reacting, Miller had the WR reading and reacting independently , same with the backs and TE's - Now if the defense fooled any one of those players or units independently the play broke down - as well we seen many times.

So in an complicated effort to take pressure and responsibility off the QB it cost us in the ability to be on the same page enough downs in a row. You see it on the mis connection on receivers clearly- but the mis connection on the oline and backs and TE's in blocking was the most important! 17 sacks in 2 games? Was not a product of bad players but of lack of continuity and communication in a complicated failed system-

I hope he runs the ball more without Luck - I mean 440 runs to over 600 passes in Indy last year- is more balanced than we ever was under whiz-( as low as 320) but still less than I like. But to do a few plays very well - establish a consistant normal on all offensive units- before you "trick" a defense with creativity - seems Arians MO.

I think many players careers will get a shot in the arm- and pets will be dismissed.

 

[Mitch]

I was thinking the same thing. I'm expecting a speedy WR in round 4 or later

Thanks for the link to Arians' offensive formations---it was a great read, CT!

I think that BA will try to sign Mike Wallace in free agency---but, if that fails, a less expensive option may be Donnie Avery (IND) whom BA got a good deal of production out of this year: 60/781/3 TDs.