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Bryant charged with felony sexual assault
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That is obviously true. But, morally speaking, an attention-starved psychopath can have sex with a superstar athlete and claim that she was sexually assaulted much easier than a nice girl. Knowing that this is not simply a "nice" girl, doesn't that make her slightly less credible than if she were indeed a nice girl? And, I'd like you to answer that question, not just glance over it and tell us yet again that you're a Laker fan who will no longer ruit for Kobe Bryant (And if you say, "I will no longer ruit for #8", that's teh same exact thing).
See the funny thing is, this arguement isn't about me.. And maybe you should sit down for this next one, but, this arguement isn't about you either, Chaplin. If it turns out that Kobe Bryant is guilty of sexual assault, I'll be dissappointed, but not because I was wrong. I'll be upset because a guy who I believed was a good guy and still believe, even after this, is a good guy, actually turned out to be a horrible person.
Maybe I'm just naive. I mean, being an aspiring basketball player myself, you're told all the time that to be great, you need to have the work ethic and stability in your life that Kobe Bryant has. And all the time you see guys like Amare Stoudemire, who endure through his troubled past because he was a good person. Sometimes, there's guys like Amare's brother, who has all the skills Amare has, but isn't the kind of stand-up individual his brother is. So he's in jail, while Amare's making millions in the NBA. I look at Kobe Bryant's demeanor on the basketball court, and I imagine what it must be like on the practice court.
The progress Kobe's made as a basketball player has nothing to do with how the media portrays him. I see that extraordinary improvement and I know it can only be caused by one thing: The drive Kobe has is unmatched. For that reason, maybe, I can't see him as a rapist. I simply cannot fathom it.
But still, speaking about this arguement, how can you honestly say, Chap, that I'm losing it miserably? Basically, I'm saying that Kobe is innocent. I take that side on it. From as far as I can tell, you don't even have a side. All you've said is that we don't know if Kobe raped the girl, but we do know that he committed adultery. Then, when I say Kobe is innocent, and point out reasons why I say this is so, you pick out one sentence from my entire post, something that normally has nothing to do with the subject at hand, and make some snide, elitist comment.
Chaplin
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Your problem is that you have no evidence whatsoever that he is innocent of these charges. It all boils down to that. Of course, I already know how you'll reply--but that reply is based on the media's perception of Kobe Bryant. And that is a FACT. There's no disputing that. Your reasons are not reasons.
Krangodnzr
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If the media said Kobe Bryant is an extraordinarily good human being, and then during a post-game interview, he said, "F*ck you, f*ck the fans, f*ck everybody, and I'll kill anybody who argues with me." I would know that the media was wrong about him. I would form my own opinion based on Kobe's actions, not on the media's take on those actions.
When it boils down to it, it does not matter what some off-beat reporter says about Kobe. I've seen him on the basketball court, and I've more importantly seen him during interviews. I've never seen Bryant act in any way other than professionally. I've seen this guy when he cried after game 6 of the Spurs series when they lost. I've seen him reveal to the world his feelings on his recent reconcilliation with his parents. You guys can say what you want about how I form my opinion on him, but in the end, it boils down to how I've seen Kobe Bryant act in different situations. It has nothing to do with the media's interpretation. Unlike some of you, I have the ability to make my own decisions and to form my own opinions. Maybe I'm just blessed, maybe I was dealt a better hand that some of you... who knows?
You know I think Charles Barkley made a good observation on this whole situation the other day. When asked about how this case might affect Kobe's image, Barkley said that he didn't think it'd be tarnished too much, because the people who have already started to blame Kobe for this escapade are people who disliked him in the first place. Now, I was never a huge Kobe Bryant fan, but I've always respected him as both a basketball player and a person. Because of this, I'm inclined to believe he's innocent.
I bet you believe R Kelly is innocent too...even though they had a video with him as evidence....go back to La La Land. You have seen him play basketball and have seen him do interviews so you are "inclined to think he is innocent". Are you selling this garbage because I would love to buy some to help my self image
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Doesn't knowing that Kobe cheated on his wife make him less credible than if he had not?
Ever seen him in a hotel room with a woman other than his wife? Was he gentle or was he rough when he broke his wedding vows?
P.S. I must be the exception to your/Barkley's statement. Before Kobe cheated on his wife: Huge Kobe fan, since he plays and has been a star for "my" team. Post-cheating: Will not support Kobe, only "my" team.
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Interesting perspective Brian. I do respect you for it.
I do believe the prosecution has evidence not only of intercourse, but also of injury. So, there will be physical proof that Kobe injured this girl during sex.
Kobe's argument will be that she WANTED to be injured.
Doesn't paint a pretty picture of Kobe, no matter how you look at it.
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I'm not sure I get it. So you won't root for Kobe anymore... but, what happens when Kobe makes a game winner next season, what are you going to do then? Are you going to be upset?
Seems to me that if you really felt this strongly, you obviously would no longer support the Lakers at all, unless they traded Kobe. I mean, how can the Lakers management support somebody who can cheat on his wife? And are you really assuming that Kobe is the only person on the team that has ever cheated on his wife? You should probably go research that, maybe administer lie detector tests to all of the Lakers and see if they've been as faithfull as possible. Because really, you don't want to be unfair. Then you could sound like a hypocrite.
I cannot believe that so many people on these boards are basing their arguements on this type of statement. You guys seem to think that the prosecution has all this evidence we don't know about. Why? Does it have anything to do with Kobe's lawyers saying when Kobe was initially charged that they couldn't believe the prosecution was going ahead with this case, considering the evidence they have doesn't show rape at all? Because that's what they said. Just assuming stuff like "because they must." The bottom line is, the girl cried that she got raped, and the DA pretty much had to charge Kobe on the mere grounds that there is evidence that they did have sex. If they didn't, how would the townspeople react? Even with the little evidence they do have against Kobe, they pretty much had to charge him or it would look like the people in the DA's office weren't doing their jobs.
But to simply condemn Kobe on evidence you've never seen or have no idea if it really exists or not is stupid.
Here is a tidbit from ESPN.com:
"According to the Denver Post, the 19-year-old woman who accused Bryant of sexually assaulting her had "visible evidence" of the alleged attack a week later, one of her friends told the Denver Post.
"Luke Bray, reportedly a friend of the accuser, declined to be more specific out of respect for his friend and her family.
"There is visible evidence of what happened," he told the newspaper.
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How could their be "visible evidence" if it was consensual, unless they were consensually doing some S&M? If there is such evidence, I think Kobe's got a tough case.
"According to the Denver Post, the 19-year-old woman who accused Bryant of sexually assaulting her had "visible evidence" of the alleged attack a week later, one of her friends told the Denver Post.
"Luke Bray, reportedly a friend of the accuser, declined to be more specific out of respect for his friend and her family.
"There is visible evidence of what happened," he told the newspaper.
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How could their be "visible evidence" if it was consensual, unless they were consensually doing some S&M? If there is such evidence, I think Kobe's got a tough case.
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Krangodnzr
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But to simply defend a rich basketball player that you don't even know, and to believe all the garbage the media feeds you (and apparently you take it as gospel) is extremely stupid.
Fact#1: Kobe committed adultery, and didn't admit it until he was charged. He would look much more innocent if he had admitted that he committed adultery.
Fact#2: According to people who know the girl, there was physical evidence on her body a week later. Consensual sex doesn't normally do that.
Fact#3: There is DNA evidence. DNA evidence is almost 100% accurate.
Fact#4: There were strange incidents the night it happened. Some have reported a "ruckus", while others said it never happened. Some have reported the girl was hysterical after she was in Kobe's room....either way, something was not right.
Fact#5: The media is digging up unneccesary dirt on the girl, that probably won't even be allowed in court since it is irrelevant. She has been called a "media *****"...well if she was such a "media *****" why have we not seen her all over TV?
RKellySunsfan: You are pathetic. You have been banned from here numerous times, and no one here wants you to post here.
You are a chickenshit. Brian has offered to pummel you multiple times, and like the puss that you are, you never respond even though you deserve to be beaten to a bloody pulp for the terrible things you have said about others.
You even chose a moniker (RKelly) of a convicted rapist/pedophile. You are either a very sick person, or you really enjoy being an annoying little twerp.
SirStefan32
Krycek, Alex Krycek
I believe in justice, and if he doesn't get convicted, then yes, he is innocent. If he does get convicted, then he is guilty.
Stefan
Stefan view of the world is strictly black and white - he believes there is no such thing as a gray area.
Meanwhile, back in the real world, yes, it is possible for Kobe to have raped the girl, but get off from the charge. Just look at OJ.
Krangodnzr
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So true.
Many guilty people have been let off, and many innocent people have been convicted for crimes they haven't committed.
OJ was as guilty as a person could be, but his defense did an excellent job legally destroying evidence and police credibility.
SirStefan32
Krycek, Alex Krycek
I don't see a reason to start insulting each other Jon.
He either assaulted her or he did not. He is either guilty or he is innocent. He can not be 60% guilty and 40% innocent, just like you can't be 60% pregnant and 40% not pregnant at the same time.
As I said, I believe that justice will be served. Of course, once Kobe is declared innocent, you will all blame the justice system because you don't like the rulling.
I honestly can not believe how little respect people have for our great justice system.
Stefan
Krangodnzr
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But you can be 100% guilty and found 100% innocent.
That's WHY we have a great justice system. The system has to totally prove your guilt, and if they cannot, then you get off. Even if you are guilty, the system must prove it beyong a reasonable doubt.
I can't wait to hear what you say if he is found guilty, it should be quite amusing.
elindholm
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The system has to totally prove your guilt, and if they cannot, then you get off. Even if you are guilty, the system must prove it beyong a reasonable doubt.
Don't forget that the system can also find you guilty when you are innocent. It happens rarely, but we do sometimes hear about convicted felons whose cases are later overturned on new exonerating evidence.
Of course, an incorrect "not guilty" verdict is much, much more common than an incorrect "guilty" one.
Don't forget that the system can also find you guilty when you are innocent. It happens rarely, but we do sometimes hear about convicted felons whose cases are later overturned on new exonerating evidence.
Of course, an incorrect "not guilty" verdict is much, much more common than an incorrect "guilty" one.
SirStefan32
Krycek, Alex Krycek
OK, I am going to say this one more time- I believe in our justice system. If Kobe is found guilty, I will see him as guilty, and I will hope that he gets the maximum penalty.
Unlike you, I will not make excuses like, "the jury screwed up," or, "He was treated differently," etc.
If he is found guilty, then he is guilty.
If he is found innocent, then he is not guilty.
It's as simple as that.
elindholm
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If he is found innocent, then he is not guilty.
It's as simple as that.
SirStefan, I wonder if you could explain why it is that you find our legal system to be incapable of error. Do you not even admit the possibility that Bryant committed this assault and will get away with it?
It's as simple as that.
SirStefan, I wonder if you could explain why it is that you find our legal system to be incapable of error. Do you not even admit the possibility that Bryant committed this assault and will get away with it?
Chaplin
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Is that your explanation about OJ Simpson too?
SirStefan32
Krycek, Alex Krycek
Good point.
SirStefan32
Krycek, Alex Krycek
Oh my God, NO! I am sorry that I did not make this clear:
Of course our system is not perfect. Of course errors are made from time to time.
Of course I admit that there is a slight possibility that he commited this crime and he might get away with it. That is a part of being a defense attorney. You don't care if your client is guilty or not. You do your job, trying to prove that he is innocent.
DA can screw things up, or the defense attorney might just do a better job and get you out even if you are guilty.
All I am saying is that I think our legal system is the best in the entire world, I believe in it, and I will not question it.
Again, I apologize that I even gave you an idea that I believe that there are no mistakes in the system. I am just saying that it is the best one in the world.
Stefan
Krangodnzr
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Unlike me? How the Hell can you tell me what I will think?
That's quite dishonest of you Stefan.
I will look at the evidence, and make a judgement from that. With the OJ trial, it was obvious to me that he was guilty, but could not be convicted on legalities.
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