Bucks @ Suns Tuesday Finals game thread 7-6-2021 - Game 1

[Chaplin]

So your defense here is I didn't watch the game?

Okay bro

No my defense is that you are one of the smart ones here and I can’t believe you are discounting Jae’s work on defense.

 

[ProdigalSun]

Giannis says he heard the crowd when shooting free throws.

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they should count down from 10 instead… that would make me more anxious shooting free throws I think

 

[Chaplin]

We won despite him not because of him

He played that bad and yet Monty gave him a ton of minutes. Why do you think that is?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I don’t know it seems to me that people are blind to defense.

His defense did not make up for his zero offense, terrible passing, and lack of boxing out.

 

[Mainstreet]

they should count down from 10 instead… that would make me more anxious shooting free throws I think

We need you at the game counting.

 

[Cheesebeef]

His defense did not make up for his zero offense, terrible passing, and lack of boxing out.

his D was pretty damn stellar.

 

[Chaplin]

His defense did not make up for his zero offense, terrible passing, and lack of boxing out.

We won the game so I think you’re wrong.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

No my defense is that you are one of the smart ones here and I can’t believe you are discounting Jae’s work on defense.

That's better than the "watch the game bro" stuff.

His play was utterly frustrating to watch tonight despite admittedly decent defense

It is hard to credit decent defense to a guy who multiple times just didn't box out.

If Ayton had this game he would be excoriated

 

[jagu]

Middleton was big and Giannis played great too and they still got kicked around. The Clippers play a lot better defense and there's no one on the Bucks that can stop Paul.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

And again this isn't causality.

A win doesn't absolve criticism.

We won because of Ayton, Booker and Paul

 

[Mainstreet]

Devin Booker offers to help Chris Paul down the stairs after they changed places at press conference.

Hilarious.

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[Chaplin]

That's better than the "watch the game bro" stuff.

His play was utterly frustrating to watch tonight despite admittedly decent defense

It is hard to credit decent defense to a guy who multiple times just didn't box out.

If Ayton had this game he would be excoriated

He had 9 rebounds and was guarding Lopez at first and Giannis most of the game. How much boxing out do you think he could do against them? He’s not Rodman after all.

And yes, if Ayton had this game we’d be all over him. There a reason for that and you can’t get to it by comparing Crowder and Ayton for gods sake.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

That's better than the "watch the game bro" stuff.

His play was utterly frustrating to watch tonight despite admittedly decent defense

It is hard to credit decent defense to a guy who multiple times just didn't box out.

If Ayton had this game he would be excoriated

Well yeah I would be pretty annoyed if DA took a total of 8 shots and 5 were threes. Also despite his apparent terrible boxing out he still grabbed 9 big rebounds in a game where we got outrebounded by 4.

 

[AZ Native]

People are now finding out that +/- is the most worthless stat in basketball

x1000

 

[jagu]

That's fair.

Payne -10 Jae +19. + / -

Plus minus is waaay more than an individual players play

To be fair to Crowder, he played some good games in the Clip series to help the Suns so having an off night isn't a big deal when this team is filled with players who step up when others are off. I did feel that when Payne came in there was less creation (even though Payne does a lot of things on his own which he did tonight). When Paul comes in this team goes into a third gear.

There's no point in arguing about this. Both of these guys have helped the team get this far. Neither are stars and will have bad nights. That said even on off nights both guys help the team win games.

 

[Mainstreet]

Have to like the chemistry on the team... always giving each other a hard time.

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[Chris_Sanders]

He played that bad and yet Monty gave him a ton of minutes. Why do you think that is?

Saric injury?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Other thoughts..

Holy crud Jay Crowder was awful this game

Just offensively. He was a stud everywhere else.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

To be fair to Crowder, he played some good games in the Clip series to help the Suns so having an off night isn't a big deal when this team is filled with players who step up when others are off. I did feel that when Payne came in there was less creation (even though Payne does a lot of things on his own which he did tonight). When Paul comes in this team goes into a third gear.

There's no point in arguing about this. Both of these guys have helped the team get this far. Neither are stars and will have bad nights. That said even on off nights both guys help the team win games.

My point was that plus minus is dumb

 

[CardsFan88]

Giannis says he heard the crowd when shooting free throws.

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They need to switch up the count number. 13, 7, 11, 6, 10

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

We won despite him not because of him

I think you take a lot of bathroom breaks when the suns are on defense.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Well yeah I would be pretty annoyed if DA took a total of 8 shots and 5 were threes. Also despite his apparent terrible boxing out he still grabbed 9 big rebounds in a game where we got outrebounded by 4.

I would counter if Ayton took 8 wide open shots and had 1 point, 9 teounds and zero assist over 33 minutes while allowing 4 offensive rebounds with 2 turnovers that's a bad game.

Hopefully he does better on Thursday

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

His defense did not make up for his zero offense, terrible passing, and lack of boxing out.

He had two TOs.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I think you take a lot of bathroom breaks when the suns are on defense.

Again the not watching the game stuff...

It just makes the whole discussion pointless

 

[Chris_Sanders]

He had two TOs.

Zero assists zero steals. 2nd on the team in turnovers