Bucky Brooks grades Lamar Jackson Pro Day

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If Jackson does have his mom screwing up his perception, then maybe it works in our advantage if we are interested in him at fifteen. Hell, there is such a microscope on Mayfield's character, I hope he does something before the draft which is blown out of proportion so he can be available too

Good point with Mayfield. Teams equate his behavior to what they saw with Manziel and that the Browns ignored and picked Manziel anyways---wonder how far Mayfield's draft status has gone down because teams don't want to draft the next 'Johnny Football?' As crazy as it sounds, Mayfield may be judged on a completely different player's behavior.
 

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I think it is funny that people would feel like Brooks or Mayock or any of these highly paid draft experts would have any reason to spread false information.

People are reading into things what they want to read into them.
 

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The last early Cardinal draft pick I recall who had his mom involved in negotiations was Wendell Bryant. That’s not a good omen, but I’d still take Jackson at 15. No need for Jackson to run. Everyone’s seen him run.
 

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If people have seen Jackson play and many talked to him at the combine then him not running the 40 at his Pro day is a deciding factor on drafting him or not then said frachise is stupid.Look at his entire career and there has been absolutely nothing negative character wise,work ethic wise or any red flags his entire time at Louisville.He did quite well interviewing at the combine.Did well on his PRO DAY throwing and if nitpicking his failure to run the 40 is used as a reason to not draft him then that shows massive stupidity by said franchise.THERE is still over 3 weeks until the draft so one would think LJ will meet several teams in that time.Jackson hasn`t gotten drunk and been arrested or beaten his girlfriend so having a little difficulty setting up meetings is somewhat small change compared to other issues by other prospects IMO.
If you go by what you have seen, then you probably wouldn't draft him ahead of Mayfield, Rosen, and Darnold. It is a projection game. Lamar Jackson is not a great/natural passer. Neither are most of the more mobile QBs who get drafted. This is mostly because they are trained to run the ball in times of crisis vs throwing the ball. I see it at every stage of the youth level, and in college. To Jackson's credit he has tried to work on it, but he is still very raw.

In terms of having his mom rep him...right or wrong it makes me question his decision making. Might be the biggest financial transaction of his life, and instead of hiring a professional, he is having him mom do the deal.
 

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I think it is funny that people would feel like Brooks or Mayock or any of these highly paid draft experts would have any reason to spread false information.

People are reading into things what they want to read into them.

But stating some over hyped assumptions by others does get them attention, and they are all in competition
 

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If people have seen Jackson play and many talked to him at the combine then him not running the 40 at his Pro day is a deciding factor on drafting him or not then said frachise is stupid.Look at his entire career and there has been absolutely nothing negative character wise,work ethic wise or any red flags his entire time at Louisville.He did quite well interviewing at the combine.Did well on his PRO DAY throwing and if nitpicking his failure to run the 40 is used as a reason to not draft him then that shows massive stupidity by said franchise.THERE is still over 3 weeks until the draft so one would think LJ will meet several teams in that time.Jackson hasn`t gotten drunk and been arrested or beaten his girlfriend so having a little difficulty setting up meetings is somewhat small change compared to other issues by other prospects IMO.

Don't let your support for LJ get in the way of simply analyzing where he fits in with the other draft candidates. A franchise is not 'stupid' for wanting to examine the player before they make the decision to select him. What would be 'stupid' would be selecting him without getting all questions answered. It's a major decision and investment to take a guy as your QBOTF.

If you are buying a new car, wouldn't you want to take it for a spin? Same with a QB with a big part of his game being able to bring the ball down and run with it. Why do you want to argue that point????

I know that LJ has met at combine with Bills, Bears, Steelers, Giants, Dolphins, Eagles . . . I have been unable to find any reports to verify your statement that "He did quite well interviewing at the combine."

Do you have any links that stated that? Would go a long way to clear up that part of Maycock's comments.
 

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Per Walterfootball here are the Wonderlic scores of the tops qbs:
Josh Allen 37
Josh Rosen 29
Sam Donald 28
Baker Mayfield 25
Lamar Jackson 13

Doesn't show any others.
13? Ouch.
 

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If you go by what you have seen, then you probably wouldn't draft him ahead of Mayfield, Rosen, and Darnold. It is a projection game. Lamar Jackson is not a great/natural passer. Neither are most of the more mobile QBs who get drafted. This is mostly because they are trained to run the ball in times of crisis vs throwing the ball. I see it at every stage of the youth level, and in college. To Jackson's credit he has tried to work on it, but he is still very raw.

In terms of having his mom rep him...right or wrong it makes me question his decision making. Might be the biggest financial transaction of his life, and instead of hiring a professional, he is having him mom do the deal.


Going by projection...I take Jackson over Mayfield .Mayfield doesn`t have jackson`s arm and Jackson has better escapability.I think Mayfield will be bust because he won`t be throwing against BIG12 Defenses most weeks and i think Mayfiled is close to his ceiling as a QB.
 

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Per Walterfootball here are the Wonderlic scores of the tops qbs:
Josh Allen 37
Josh Rosen 29
Sam Donald 28
Baker Mayfield 25
Lamar Jackson 13

Doesn't show any others.

I was curious of other Wonderlic scores, LOL @ Frank Gore with a 6.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/lis...ournette-tom-brady/1pw5frqp9mu0z1vmb8z05ja9jd

Here are some notables for comparison...
  • Tom Brady – 33
  • Johnny Manziel – 32
  • Peyton Manning – 28
  • Eli Manning – 39
  • RG3 – 24
  • Dan Marino – 15
  • Blaine Gabbert – 42
  • Donovan McNabb – 14
  • Aaron Rodgers – 35
  • Andrew Luck – 37
  • Michael Vick – 20
  • Cam Newton – 21
 

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Lamar Jackson
Mike Jurecki Retweeted Rick Grimes

He hasn't hired an agent, didn't interview very well at the combine, and clearly didn't prep for test.

Mike Jurecki added,

Rick Grimes@RickGrimesSA
@mikejurecki Lamar Jackson scored a 13 on the wonderlic...ouch!!.. to play that position... not good.. buyer beware
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Don't let your support for LJ get in the way of simply analyzing where he fits in with the other draft candidates. A franchise is not 'stupid' for wanting to examine the player before they make the decision to select him. What would be 'stupid' would be selecting him without getting all questions answered. It's a major decision and investment to take a guy as your QBOTF.

If you are buying a new car, wouldn't you want to take it for a spin? Same with a QB with a big part of his game being able to bring the ball down and run with it. Why do you want to argue that point????

I know that LJ has met at combine with Bills, Bears, Steelers, Giants, Dolphins, Eagles . . . I have been unable to find any reports to verify your statement that "He did quite well interviewing at the combine."

Do you have any links that stated that? Would go a long way to clear up that part of Maycock's comments.

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Mike Jurecki Retweeted Rick Grimes

He hasn't hired an agent, didn't interview very well at the combine, and clearly didn't prep for test.

Mike Jurecki added,

Rick Grimes@RickGrimesSA
@mikejurecki Lamar Jackson scored a 13 on the wonderlic...ouch!!.. to play that position... not good.. buyer beware
5 replies1 retweet7 likes


So what else don`t you like about Jackson other than?
DanMarino had a 15
Donovan McNabb had a 14
 

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So what else don`t you like about Jackson other than?
DanMarino had a 15
Donovan McNabb had a 14
They're statistical outliers though. If 80% of scorers under 16 fail in the NFL, you need to value that. (Just letting everyone know, I pulled that number out of my ass, but I know the real number has statistical relevance.)

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The low score make his private meetings with teams that much more significant IMO. Perhaps he does just test poorly but when he is put in front of a white board he aces it but unless teams get a chance to do that with what will they fall back on?
 

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Generally speaking, GMs & owners trust their scouts opinions and evaluations not that of draft analysts or sports guys on Twitter. So unless these comments or opinions are coming from individuals scouts then no big deal.

I wonder if Jackson’s unavailability is due to school still being in session or maybe he has too many requests coming in or feels he would only fit in with certain teams, who knows.
 

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Wow....

"I've had several teams tell me they're having trouble just getting to set up appointments to meet with him," Mayock said Thursday during Path to the Draft's coverage of the UL pro day. "Not just work out, but appointments to meet with him, to put him up on the board, to work him out, to have dinner with him. And remember, and again I'm not taking a shot here at anybody, his mom is representing him, his mom has obviously his best interest at heart, but you're doing the kid a disservice if NFL coaches and general managers are calling and you can't even get an appointment set up."
Is she using Yelp to promote her son?
 

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Jeff George 10 QB
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an example of QB wunderlic scores past and present.... looks like franchise signal callers can be found all across the spectrum... and it is also obvious that a high score does not make one a solid QB...it also needs to be considered that many players have stated over the years that nobody at the combine takes the wunderlic seriously... many guys just jot an answer so they can hurry up and be done with the test.... even though you would think a quarterback would take it more seriously than most.

Neil O'Donnell lead the steelers to SB XXX... his two INT's to Larry Brown forever memorable...lead to his release shortly thereafter. Bradshaw, Cunningham, and Jim Kelly all lead very good offenses and only scored 15.

on the other hand guys like Tony Romo Matt Stafford, Colin Kapearnik, and Blaine Gabbert all scored much higher than Tom Brady... it looks like, over the years, 25-35 is the best range for a franchise QB... but then again that is also a pretty average range so it doesnt say much.

Like everything else its just a tool.... obviously if a guy scores 50 on the test bit cannot throw a ten yard out that doesnt drop in the dirt,...he aint gonna work out. This test leads in to offensive complexity. Meaning, how complex or difficult can your offense be and the guy can still absorb it quickly and master it... a guy like Gabbert can learn any offense... unfortunately his field vision negates the fact that he knows the offense well. Then a guy like McNabb,... his physical tools and game awareness allowed him to make more out of his offense than it was designed for. Thats likely the type of game Lamar Jackson will need. a basic offense where he will move around to buy time when everyone is covered...and the WR need to watch him...and run to him when he scrambles... lots of improv....can be a very exciting offense to watch.
 

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It's an outdated test that is worthless and I am not the only one who feels this way.


Last year, we cooked up a hot take regarding the test every kid takes at the Scouting Combine weeks after the Combine happened. This year, we’ll remind the next crop of Combine attendees of the free advice.

Refuse to take the Wonderlic test.

All incoming rookies should refuse to take the Wonderlic not because the results have no relevance to football performance, although the results indeed have no relevance to football performance. All incoming rookies should refuse to take the Wonderlic because the NFL consistently flunks the pass/fail test of keeping the results secret.

Every year, all or some of the numbers are leaked. (PFT no longer attempts to obtain or report the scores.) No matter what the league does, no matter how many threats are made, the numbers get leaked. Often, the numbers are leaked to reporters who are employed by the league itself.

So here’s what we suggest that every player should say when the time comes to take the Wonderlic: “Sorry, sir. I choose not to take the test. You’ve told me that the results are private and confidential, but every year the scores for one or more players are leaked to the media. So the only way to reliably secure my own test result is to not create one.”

There’s not really anything the NFL can say in response to that, because there’s no way the NFL can secure the results. But the NFL will never voluntarily get rid of the test, because NFL teams are obsessed with apples-to-apples factors that can be compared from player to player and from year to year. So the only way the process will change is to have change forced upon the process.

And the only way that will happen as to the Wonderlic test will be for players to refuse to take it

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/22/dear-incoming-rookies-dont-take-the-wonderlic/
 

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Lamar is a stud, learning for a couple of years and then he will put a show every sundays
 

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We all know Jackson will be there but cards will pass and draft r idly the wr from bama.... this off-season just had that Vibe. :(
 

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Or maybe he wants to be drafted by the cardinals and he does all he can to slide to them
Except, they probably pass also. Maybe he wants to go somewhere specifically for whatever reason. We'll see if he comes out here or not.

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