Buffalo and Arizona both had Allen as QB1

[oaken1]

True. But realize that because he does not have a stellar forty, D's are not going to have to 'spy' on him during games, they will be able to attack the pocket knowing that is where Rosen will be. The D will not have to be as concerned about Rosen breaking contain and making a big play with either his feet or buying time to make the throw.

Hopefully, Rosen will have the same ability as Warner and Marino to read the D and know where to go with the ball long before the integrity of the pocket is being challenged.

What reason(s) do you have for Rosen dropping to #4 QB at pick 10?

why did Rosen drop??

Because the Browns picked Baker Mayfield when everyone expected them to pick sam darnold...and the Bills bought into the idea that they had to have a huge QB with a cannon to play in cold weather.

in all honesty they "why" of it isnt even important. whats important is...is the kid a good fit for the Cardinals...and that answer is simply, yes he is.

 

[PACardsFan]

I’m sure all of us have seen Brady, both Manning’s, and Ryan run. It’s not pretty. I don’t give a rat’s a$$ how fast he is, or what his cone time was. Does he have a quick release? YES! Is he accurate? ABSOLUTELY! Does he have a burning desire to win? It certainly would appear to be the case. He may not be the guy, but until then, I like the pick.

 

[splitsecond]

So Keim really is an idiot and dumb lucked into the right pick

 

[oaken1]

So Keim really is an idiot and dumb lucked into the right pick

he was smart enough to jump on the opportunity when it was presented. cant really fault him for that.... could have faulted him had he stood pat and we didnt get a QB at all

 

[GimmedaBall]

I’m sure all of us have seen Brady, both Manning’s, and Ryan run. It’s not pretty. I don’t give a rat’s a$$ how fast he is, or what his cone time was. Does he have a quick release? YES! Is he accurate? ABSOLUTELY! Does he have a burning desire to win? It certainly would appear to be the case. He may not be the guy, but until then, I like the pick.

Why do you think he dropped to the 4th QB taken at the 10th pick?

I gave my guess---toward the end of my reasons I had his mobility/speed as a possible reason. If a team is looking for a mobile QB and wants to include roll-outs, designed runs, etc---wouldn't you agree that those issues would put those combine numbers down as a negative??

Why are you getting so angry about considering the reason(s) why he dropped???

Any idea why the Pats---with extra draft ammo in this draft---did not make the move up to get him. They could have easily outbid us. They really don't have a QB behind Grandpa Brady after trading JimmyG to the 49ers.

 

[oaken1]

Why do you think he dropped to the 4th QB taken at the 10th pick?

I gave my guess---toward the end of my reasons I had his mobility/speed as a possible reason. If a team is looking for a mobile QB and wants to include roll-outs, designed runs, etc---wouldn't you agree that those issues would put those combine numbers down as a negative??

Why are you getting so angry about considering the reason(s) why he dropped???

Any idea why the Pats---with extra draft ammo in this draft---did not make the move up to get him. They could have easily outbid us. They really don't have a QB behind Grandpa Brady after trading JimmyG to the 49ers.

purely speculation on my part but I think the rumors about brady forcing the JimmyG trade are true...and since ownership backed Brady..Bilichek is going to win what he can with Brady and leave them without a QB when he retires.

or he will just draft one next year

 

[GimmedaBall]

purely speculation on my part but I think the rumors about brady forcing the JimmyG trade are true...and since ownership backed Brady..Bilichek is going to win what he can with Brady and leave them without a QB when he retires.

or he will just draft one next year

That would be a pizzer. BA talked about grooming a QBOTF before he rode of into the sunset---wouldn't put it past Belicheat to get the final word on revenge and leave the Pats with Grandpa Brady.

Seems like the Pats are always grooming QBs that other teams covet---some move on and have passable careers, others like Ryan Mallet turn into career backups. The glitter shine off those SB rings and trophys blind other teams to what the back up QBs really are---part of the PAT system. Jury is still out on JGARP even though he has some wins to his name. Teams have game film on him and will figure him out and bring him back to earth.

 

[ajcardfan]

I don't even believe this report. Nothing about it smacks of reality.

Probably a rumor sparked by Josh Allen's agent or dad/

 

[Snakester]

We got lucky and Keim made a great move to get Rosen. If the Cards can protect him he can be the next Kurt Warner. He’s a smart and accurate passer.

 

[Buckybird]

If true, I’m sooooo happy it didn’t happen! Rosen has all the tools Allen doesn’t except the cannon arm!

We drafted the right Josh

 

[GimmedaBall]

Did a quick websearch on the question "Why did Josh Rosen drop in the NFL draft"

Todd McShay pre-draft predicts Rosen falling down the board:

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/03/todd-mcshay-nfl-mock-draft-josh-rosen-drop-red-flags

Kiper pre-combine:

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2018/02/is_ucla_qb_josh_rosen_tumbling_mel_kiper_explains.html

Pre-draft discussion:
http://buffalonews.com/2018/04/22/5-nfl-draft-analysts-weigh-in-on-the-josh-rosen-dilemma/

Great info with plenty of game film breakdown:

https://www.diehards.com/ucla/film-room-good-bad-attitude-top-nfl-draft-prospect-josh-rosen

Cards jumped the Fins
http://larrybrownsports.com/football/dolphins-coach-adam-gase-obsessed-with-josh-rosen/436751

 

[PitchShifter]

Was listening to Simms & Lefkoe and Simms claims his information is the trade Denver had in place at 5 was with Arizona for Josh Allen. Here's the bit. Ancient history now and who knows if it was true given the the other contradictory claims, just hadn't heard this bit mentioned until now.

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[WisconsinCard]

Why do you think he dropped to the 4th QB taken at the 10th pick?

Sometimes it just as simple as certain QBs fit certain schemes. So Rosen may not have been the QB to fit what the other QB hungry teams want to do. It is obvious that Cleveland wanted a mobile QB. To me it is obvious that the Jets took whom everyone thought to be the consensus number 1. Buffalo wanted a QB who could handle the elements of winter. Finally AZ wanted a quick release pocket passer type. Of course all of this is conjecture and just my opinion. If I am close then everyone got what they wanted. I could be totally off base.

 

[Buckybird]

Didn’t Keim supposedly luv RB Abdullah & had to “settle” for someone naked David Johnson?

He traded up & made the pick of Rosen so nothing else matters! Sometimes being lucky is a good thing & imo we’ve got a much better chance of our guy hitting it big than the Bills guy lol

 

[Buckybird]

So Keim really is an idiot and dumb lucked into the right pick

Worked before with some guy who wears #31 on this roster

 

[TJ]

So Keim really is an idiot and dumb lucked into the right pick

This likely happens more often than we care to imagine. It was just unfair for the world to see Keim's interaction with Abdullah on "All or Nothing." Look at it this way: the contingency plan of taking Golden and then Johnson was very smart, and Keim should get credit for those two picks.

I bet almost every team in 1998 had Ryan Leaf #1 or #2 on their draft boards.

 

[GatorAZ]

The draft is mostly luck.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Was listening to Simms & Lefkoe and Simms claims his information is the trade Denver had in place at 5 was with Arizona for Josh Allen. Here's the bit. Ancient history now and who knows if it was true given the the other contradictory claims, just hadn't heard this bit mentioned until now.

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Chris Simms is an idiot and this is coming from a Texas Ex. He could not process plays in the NFL, worst pocket presence I ever saw and probably could not detect a locomotive about to hit him, and his accuracy sucked rocks because he had no anticipation... very hard to take anything he says seriously with much merit

 

[moklerman]

Dan Marino...6th QB taken in his draft. An indicator of...well, nothing.

But, with the Browns, Bills and Jets picking ahead of the Cardinals, I can't put much credence in where Rosen was drafted in this particular draft. None of those teams has shown themselves to have any idea of what a good QB is.

Why didn't the Patriots take Rosen? Well, they aren't so much geniuses at identifying QB's as much as their system(of cheating) makes just about and QB look good. Brady? Talk about ********* lucky. They don't get credit for being smart with that move. Rohan Davey? Kliff Kingsbury? Kevin O'Connell? Matt Cassell? Zac Robinson? Ryan Mallett? Jimmy G looks solid but they did just choose to get rid of him. Are the Patriots really the gold standard when it comes to finding QBs in the draft?

 

[Gandhi]

The draft is mostly luck.

It is certainly not mostly about luck. While there is some element of luck, the draft and rookies are much too important in the game to simply leave the selection process to luck. That can’t be done entirely due to the human element and the fact that no one can predict the future, but a team can do their absolute best to minimize the element of luck. That is why every team tries to make the inexact science into measurable science. That is why they spent countless month finding the right players. That is why the scouts writes thousands of scouting reports. That is why they visit with an abundance of prospects. That is why a person like Michael Bidwill, a former prosecutor, is a vital part of the interview process. That is why they probably goes too far in protecting their intents in the draft. Basically, that is why they uses so many resources on the draft.

If it was about luck you could even argue that it was irrelevant to select the best prospects first. Just give every team seven players and hope for the best.

The draft is about balancing measurables with very informed views of the prospects, and in my opinion, drafting is an art form.

 

[HeHasRosen]

I dont buy it. This came from chris simms after all. He is saying that Arizona had a trade in place with Denver pre draft. But Stink was on the Gambo show the other day and said that the trade was with buffalo not Arizona. I believe stink when it comes to what Denver had planned. I think we had Mayfield and Rosen over Allen. Chris Simms just loves Josh Allen and is trying to justify his pick for best QB

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Didn’t Keim supposedly luv RB Abdullah & had to “settle” for someone naked David Johnson?

He traded up & made the pick of Rosen so nothing else matters! Sometimes being lucky is a good thing & imo we’ve got a much better chance of our guy hitting it big than the Bills guy lol

Naked David Johnson? lol You must type naked a lot, for that autocorrect...hahahaha

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[cardncubfan]

I dont buy it. This came from chris simms after all. He is saying that Arizona had a trade in place with Denver pre draft. But Stink was on the Gambo show the other day and said that the trade was with buffalo not Arizona. I believe stink when it comes to what Denver had planned. I think we had Mayfield and Rosen over Allen. Chris Simms just loves Josh Allen and is trying to justify his pick for best QB

If we did have a trade in place with Denver more than likely it was for Mayfield. I'm with you. I don't buy what Simms is selling.

 

[gbrim21]

If we did have a trade in place with Denver more than likely it was for Mayfield. I'm with you. I don't buy what Simms is selling.

Did you guys watch the latest Cardinals Flight Plan? I think episode 8, takes you inside the war room. The relevant line from Bidwill to Keim... "Well if Denver takes a quarterback, we're out of it in the first round." Right before that Keim says he thinks if the pick is Chubb(presumably Browns at 4) then he thinks Buffalo will try to trade up.

Unless they staged that, it sure doesn't look like we had a trade in place with Denver for Allen. Which is a sigh of relief for me, because I think Allen will bust hard. Now there could have been a trade in place with Denver prior to the draft for Mayfield, but not Allen.

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[JCSunsfan]

Did you guys watch the latest Cardinals Flight Plan? I think episode 8, takes you inside the war room. The relevant line from Bidwill to Keim... "Well if Denver takes a quarterback, we're out of it in the first round." Right before that Keim says he thinks if the pick is Chubb(presumably Browns at 4) then he thinks Buffalo will try to trade up.

Unless they staged that, it sure doesn't look like we had a trade in place with Denver for Allen. Which is a sigh of relief for me, because I think Allen will bust hard. Now there could have been a trade in place with Denver prior to the draft for Mayfield, but not Allen.

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Just watched it. My take is that the Cardinals MIGHT have had a standing offer to Denver. But Denver did not call back. So they did not know if Denver was going to take a player for themselves or trade their pick to someone else. If they did trade to someone else, then they would likely have lost out on one of the top 4. I assume because they knew Buffalo was going to take a QB. Once they knew that Denver was taking Chubb, they figured that one would fall to 10 where they had a deal in principle with Oakland. It is fascinating that teams seem to not commit to trades until the last possible second. Oakland did not finalize with the Cardinals until they were on the clock.

The 3rd round was interesting. They were trying to decide between Cole and Chase Edmonds. They ended up getting both because Edmonds was still available when they picked in the 4th. Goes to show how different the big boards on various teams are.

The smile on Keim's face as he is looking at Rosen on the screen is totally genuine. Can't fake that.