Mmmm...You missed a major plot point of that storyline and them turning him evil again. That is not really what they did.
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Mmmm...You missed a major plot point of that storyline and them turning him evil again. That is not really what they did.
Catlover
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I don't think I missed anything. After the first time he slept with Buffy he should have realized what a danger he was and ended it all. The Powers that Be (or whatever they were called) could have just called on another hero to do battle for mankind. Specifically a hero who wasn't prone to go to the dark side. I know he wasn't always Angelus and was undercover at times but he did a lot of damage along the way as a hero.
Not accurate. They couldn't just pick another champion as Angel was at the time (later Spike had one as well) the only vampire with a soul to fulfill the Shanshu Prophecy. It was his ultimate goal for redemption and his way of making up for the pain he caused as Angelus. He felt obligated to save the world. To off himself would not have even made sense one bit and the PTB couldn't simply change prophecy. Also, it was unclear if Spike could ever had fulfilled the prophecy at all.
The show simply didn't just decide to make him go dark. Wolfram & Hart believed that Angel was the one to bring on the apocalypse versus save the world from it because the prophecy was not clear. They had a hand in Angelus's return on more than one occasion. It's not like the show was trying to turn him evil as you put it.
Angelus was a very small part of all he did and if you look at the central themes, being a hero was not always black and white. Several character through both shows made questionable decisions as "heroes". In fact, the entire story line behind Wolfram and Hart made that abundantly clear there was a fine line between good and bad. Even on Buffy, you later discover her powers came from a demons and the Watchers Council made questionably moral decisions.
You see the opposite is true. Only a coward would have taken the easy way out and Angel chose to do the hard thing and take on the responsibility to save the world from the apocalypse foretold in the prophecy and deal with his own inner demons. That's what a real hero would have done.
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Catlover
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I was talking about Angel the character, not Angel the character in the TV show called Angel. My point was that a true hero would have sacrificed himself long before the prophecy came to light. Yes, once they get the scroll and start to unravel his destiny it would have been cowardly for him to walk away from it. But long before that he was a ticking bomb just waiting for that next chance to explode. Until he had his first moment of bliss, he might not have understood the full ramifications of his curse. But after his first night of pleasure with Buffy he knew the risks to all around him.
It's probably a stupid argument anyway but the good news is I can think of an even dumber topic. I really could never get over the original Gypsy curse in the first place. What sense does it make to punish Angel and everyone around him for the actions of Angelus. Especially since the demon isn't in his body until the curse takes hold and bringing him back is actually a reward for the very same demon that killed the gypsy girl that prompted the curse. It makes no sense. I'm starting to think this might not actually be based on a true story after all.
That still would have been the cowards way out and even then he was protecting Buffy and already on the path of redemption facing his inner demons. Besides the real PTB (writers) probably already had a plan.
Still one of my favorite shows of all time. So smart and funny. Caroline Dhavernas is awesome, Lee Pace, etc. Great cast. Canceled way too soon much like Pushing Daisies. Yet garbage like Here comes honey boo boo and the Kardashisluts will run until my grandchildren are my age.
Finished Season 5 of Buffy and Season 2 of Angel. 2 & 3 seasons of each remaining, respectively.
I love Amy Acker. Can't wait for her character to be developed.
I love Amy Acker. Can't wait for her character to be developed.
This is your first time viewing? Oooh, boy, you're in for a treat.
Ohhhh....some of her best stuff is coming. Just wait!
I KNOW! It's insanely hard for me to not spoiler it all.
You suck. A full month later & no update.
crisper57
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Ha ha! +2
Just another bump to remind everyone that Donald sucks.
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Well, we know he's not a vampire yet because "They have to suck your blood. And then you have to suck their blood. It's like a whole big sucking thing."
Steve
Well played, sir, well played.
We are almost at the end of season 6 of Buffy, Season 3 of Angel. (I think season 3..it only has 5 seasons, yeah?)
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Season 6 is probably my least favorite. It has some good episodes but it also has probably my 3 least favorites (insane asylum, hamburger restaurant and the one where Dawn whines to the counselor). The big downer for me though was there just wasn't enough Giles. The good news is I'd rather watch a bad Buffy episode than one of the better episode of most shows.
I like Buffy season 5 quite a bit though. Come to think of it, it's my favorite Angel season too.
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5 and 5 were my favs.
Illyria.....nuff said.
So, where we are right now. Spike got all rapey, Warren killed Tara and made Willow go darkeyes, Buffy shot too but meh. On angel, Cooper returns with Holtz and Gru is very jealous of Angel, and also Fred and Wesley the rogue demon hunter aren't completely a dead item IMO even though she's happy with Gunn.
crisper57
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Oh boy. The Tara death, for my money, was the most shocking I'd ever seen on TV. Way more so than Joyce's. Well up until GoT came along...
Huh, I thought Warren's death was the worst I had ever seen on TV...and GoT (while I haven't seen it) is cable--I was shocked they got away with Warren's on network tv.
edit: There's actually a TON of stuff on Buffy that I was surprised they got away with on network tv.
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