Busted most likely

[Solar7]

1 year was a outlier, with 3. Every other year was 1 of 3, if there was 1. 1 year was a fluke other years are horrible. 33pct every year but 1.

Fine, whatever man. You refuse to look at the success of other teams in the league and the actual numbers, but let's just keep saying our GM is the absolute worst.

The unrelenting negativity in one of the most prosperous eras of Cardinals history is one of the most exhausting thing about this board. If we cut Keim loose, he'd be the GM of another NFL team in a blink.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Fine, whatever man. You refuse to look at the success of other teams in the league and the actual numbers, but let's just keep saying our GM is the absolute worst.

The unrelenting negativity in one of the most prosperous eras of Cardinals history is one of the most exhausting thing about this board. If we cut Keim loose, he'd be the GM of another NFL team in a blink.

Dude you can look at things with Rose color glasses, Keim has only accomplished 2 trades Jones and Palmer and nailed a couple prove it deals. There is only 1 year he was able to land more than 1 good player in the first 3 rds, he has a new stadium and good ownership willing to spend. RIght now we got Bradford, Glennon, 1 Wr and 1 cb lol. Championship!

 

[Solar7]

Dude you can look at things with Rose color glasses, Keim has only accomplished 2 trades Jones and Palmer and nailed a couple prove it deals. There is only 1 year he was able to land more than 1 good player in the first 3 rds, he has a new stadium and good ownership willing to spend. RIght now we got Bradford, Glennon, 1 Wr and 1 cb lol. Championship!

You have unrealistic expectations.

And Keim went hard to the paint for Kirk Cousins, it didn't pan out. That's not his fault. The cupboard was bare or too expensive at the other positions. You're just mad we didn't make a bunch of flashy moves. I'm happy Keim has a plan and is sticking to it, instead of blowing all of our draft capital on players other teams don't want, like the Rams are.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

You have unrealistic expectations.

And Keim went hard to the paint for Kirk Cousins, it didn't pan out. That's not his fault. The cupboard was bare or too expensive at the other positions. You're just mad we didn't make a bunch of flashy moves. I'm happy Keim has a plan and is sticking to it, instead of blowing all of our draft capital on players other teams don't want, like the Rams are.

No a real GM, would have made a move, prior to Palmer retiring. He should have made a move for Mahommes or Watson . Not been stuck in this position we all know Palmer and Larrys age? Its very sad, that the Cards have Bradford Glennon and Butler and Chad williams lol to replace them. Hahahaha and the Cards have 1 cb lol. Its laugha bly a terrible job


Bradford and Glennon and Butler hahhaa and no CB added? Why wasnt some one like the Bears WR Merideth gone after or a CB like Lane of Seattle and DRC, the Cards are going for the #1 overall pick with these moves.

 

[Solar7]

No a real GM, would have made a move, prior to Palmer retiring. He should have made a move for Mahommes or Watson . Not been stuck in this position we all know Palmer and Larrys age? Its very sad, that the Cards have Bradford Glennon and Butler and Chad williams lol to replace them. Hahahaha and the Cards have 1 cb lol. Its laugha bly a terrible job


Bradford and Glennon and Butler hahhaa and no CB added? Why wasnt some one like the Bears WR Merideth gone after or a CB like Lane of Seattle and DRC, the Cards are going for the #1 overall pick with these moves.

We weren't going to be able to match what the Chiefs and Texans gave up for their moves without it being ridiculous to move up a couple of spots. Yeah, it sucks.

So Cameron Meredith is your answer? A guy who just tore his ACL last season? Keim's a bad GM for not dropping $10m on him? Jeremy Lane with 2 career INTs in 7 years, and a DUI?

DRC hasn't and probably won't sign anywhere until after the draft, but let's yell at Keim for that.

More proof you just want roster moves for the sake of roster moves.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

I posted the thread in regards to SK's tenure as GM and his draft picks. We can't hold SK to account for the long history
of failure prior to his taking charge of the draft.

If you look back on the many years that the original MR. B was the defacto GM, you have a point to make.

The human snail was our GM when we *sniffed* the Lombardi.... Therefore you can safely say that SK's tenure has been a colossal failure thus far.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

We weren't going to be able to match what the Chiefs and Texans gave up for their moves without it being ridiculous to move up a couple of spots. Yeah, it sucks.

So Cameron Meredith is your answer? A guy who just tore his ACL last season? Keim's a bad GM for not dropping $10m on him? Jeremy Lane with 2 career INTs in 7 years, and a DUI?

DRC hasn't and probably won't sign anywhere until after the draft, but let's yell at Keim for that.

More proof you just want roster moves for the sake of roster moves.

I am just throwing names of people available lol

What is your answer to have 1 WR and 1 CB hahahaha or to draft them. When proof is the drafts are 56% chance of busting. Your content with 1 WR 1 CB and Bradford and Glennon lol.

The price for Watson was a 1st next year and the 25th pick. PLEASE the cards could have offered little and moved up 1 spot Keim was flatout outworked and had man love for Reddick. Id rather them even give up a 1st to swap, then spend what 27 mil on Bradford and Glennon hahahaha

 

[GimmedaBall]

The human snail was our GM when we *sniffed* the Lombardi.... Therefore you can safely say that SK's tenure has been a colossal failure thus far.

SoCal and/or Devon,

I'm curious to hear how you would have handled the GM moves. Start with BA and Palmer both announcing their retirements----you're on the clock. HC hire? FA signings? Do you go after Cousins? Which Cards do you keep?

(You can go back further if you like).

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

SoCal and/or Devon,

I'm curious to hear how you would have handled the GM moves. Start with BA and Palmer both announcing their retirements----you're on the clock. HC hire? FA signings? Do you go after Cousins? Which Cards do you keep?

(You can go back further if you like).

I've never applied to be a GM... I don't even play fantasy football... I am highly unqualified to make such decisions.

I am also not a 5 star Chef.... But I know a crappy meal when it's served to me.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

SoCal and/or Devon,

I'm curious to hear how you would have handled the GM moves. Start with BA and Palmer both announcing their retirements----you're on the clock. HC hire? FA signings? Do you go after Cousins? Which Cards do you keep?

(You can go back further if you like).

Here is a hindsight move, Watson was had for a next years first and the 25th pick to jump ahead of the Cards. Also with the lack of getting sure things from the draft, Having 1 Wr and 1 cb is a joke. I dont even here of anyone being brought in. Also if you had a QB of the future, the 27 million dollars the Card are paying the Brad and Glen combo. There hasnt been any talk of bringing cbs or WR in. The CB and Wr corp are empty. Lets just say Watson could of been had for Reddick and whoever is picked this year in the 1st. BUT keim refuses to get a QB of the future, he passed on Carr as well its very annoying. He also refuses to add a CB opposite of PP21

 

[Finito]

LOL Yes an Awesome he has molded

QB Bradford/Glennon

Fitz and Butler

1 CB,

Keim is killing it, this Squad just screams Championship!

Yeah he built us into contenders and now the window is closed time to build up again that's kinda the way it works.

 

[GimmedaBall]

I've never applied to be a GM... I don't even play fantasy football... I am highly unqualified to make such decisions.

I am also not a 5 star Chef.... But I know a crappy meal when it's served to me.

You state that you are "highly unqualified to make such decisions" yet you continue to pass judgement on SK's decisions???

You don't have to be a 5 star chef to tell the waitress how you would like your steak cooked. If you don't know, you either eat what is on your plate or you go to bed hungry.

No soup for you.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Here is a hindsight move, Watson was had for a next years first and the 25th pick to jump ahead of the Cards. Also with the lack of getting sure things from the draft, Having 1 Wr and 1 cb is a joke. I dont even here of anyone being brought in. Also if you had a QB of the future, the 27 million dollars the Card are paying the Brad and Glen combo. There hasnt been any talk of bringing cbs or WR in. The CB and Wr corp are empty. Lets just say Watson could of been had for Reddick and whoever is picked this year in the 1st. BUT keim refuses to get a QB of the future, he passed on Carr as well its very annoying. He also refuses to add a CB opposite of PP21

Plenty of teams passed on Watson. One reason was the need to tailor the offense to his skill set. Another reason was health-related and his first ACL. Watson flashed for the Texans but then went down with a second ACL---non-contact injury. Texans are concerned enough about his return to health that they are one of the teams considering Jackson in this draft.

Check the players the Cards have brought in this FA period---plenty of CBs and WRs in that group. Just because your team needs to fill those positions doesn't mean a FA is going to sign with your team. Expand your view to the rest of the league and you'll find plenty of other teams with holes to fill in their roster. Cards are not special in that regard. It is why there is a FA period, a draft, and camp cuts/trades to complete the roster.

Plenty of teams passed on Carr, some more than once. He also flashed but then come back to earth last year. In that draft, we traded with the Saints and took DBuc and Smoke---both players made contributions during the Cards push behind Palmer/Fitz/BA. Carr was still on the board when the Cards took DBuc. When picking chess pieces, a starting QB has more value than a $LBer---but Cards were putting together a team for a SB run. Also, need to list all the QBs who flopped and who the Cards took instead---not just the outlier in Carr.

You can get a quick look at the number of players still in the league that were drafted by the Cards at Pro-Football Reference. The highlighted names are still active and either with the Cards or on another roster. For picks made between 2013-2017, 31 or 35 are still active in the NFL (Ryan Swope retired due to concussion concerns).

Here's the Cards drafted players:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/crd/draft.htm

For the SB champs Eagles, 36 or 37 are still active:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/draft.htm

For the Rams, 33 of 41 are still active:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram/draft.htm

For the three teams, Cards are between the Eagles and Rams as far as drafting guys who stick in the league.

The draft is not a precise science---you have to take into consideration the overall success of the league and not just a near-sighted focus on what you think are SK's 'bad' choices and how the Cards are doing.

Please provide your stats and research that shows otherwise. Don't be like some who simply whine and have a temper tantrum---that doesn't prove anything regarding criticism of SK's draft.

 

[gimpy]

You know, I get so frustrated coming onto this website to read about my Cardinals and read (seems to me) about all the dislike, hate(?) and other unkind words directed at the organization and its people.

It's all, "he sucks or he's an idiot or fire him or..... whatever"

Now..., I will get off for a little while.

 

[Solar7]

The human snail was our GM when we *sniffed* the Lombardi.... Therefore you can safely say that SK's tenure has been a colossal failure thus far.

We went to the NFC Championship game with Keim as GM, and again - he's been the 5th winningest GM in the league in his time. And the NFL Executive of the Year. "Colossal failure" would mean you have some insane expectations.

I am just throwing names of people available lol

What is your answer to have 1 WR and 1 CB hahahaha or to draft them. When proof is the drafts are 56% chance of busting. Your content with 1 WR 1 CB and Bradford and Glennon lol.

The price for Watson was a 1st next year and the 25th pick. PLEASE the cards could have offered little and moved up 1 spot Keim was flatout outworked and had man love for Reddick. Id rather them even give up a 1st to swap, then spend what 27 mil on Bradford and Glennon hahahaha

I'd rather draft them than sign a poor Jordan Matthews to a multi-year deal. Or overpay gangbuster money to Sammy Watkins.

But more than anything, I'd rather have a plan, not just make moves for the sake of making moves. If we draft Calvin Ridley and a CB in the 2nd/3rd with a signing of DRC to a one year deal, I'll be fine. We're a team that has to build back up.

As for Watson, we couldn't outbid the team way behind us without giving up far too much. Hell the Texans gave up too much. They're giving up a top 5 pick for a guy who has now torn his ACL twice in three years.

 

[Solar7]

You know, I get so frustrated coming onto this website to read about my Cardinals and read (seems to me) about all the dislike, hate(?) and other unkind words directed at the organization and its people.

It's all, "he sucks or he's an idiot or fire him or..... whatever"

Now..., I will get off for a little while.

So agreed with this. You'd think we were just coming off of 5 consecutive seasons of 4-12 and were still sitting out in the heat at SDS. The sheer hate at some of the players/organization is like they came into their house and pushed their kid in the mud.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Here is a hindsight move, Watson was had for a next years first and the 25th pick to jump ahead of the Cards. Also with the lack of getting sure things from the draft, Having 1 Wr and 1 cb is a joke. I dont even here of anyone being brought in. Also if you had a QB of the future, the 27 million dollars the Card are paying the Brad and Glen combo. There hasnt been any talk of bringing cbs or WR in. The CB and Wr corp are empty. Lets just say Watson could of been had for Reddick and whoever is picked this year in the 1st. BUT keim refuses to get a QB of the future, he passed on Carr as well its very annoying. He also refuses to add a CB opposite of PP21

That would be the Watson with injury concerns who flashed and then was lost for the season, right?

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Plenty of teams passed on Watson. One reason was the need to tailor the offense to his skill set. Another reason was health-related and his first ACL. Watson flashed for the Texans but then went down with a second ACL---non-contact injury. Texans are concerned enough about his return to health that they are one of the teams considering Jackson in this draft.

Check the players the Cards have brought in this FA period---plenty of CBs and WRs in that group. Just because your team needs to fill those positions doesn't mean a FA is going to sign with your team. Expand your view to the rest of the league and you'll find plenty of other teams with holes to fill in their roster. Cards are not special in that regard. It is why there is a FA period, a draft, and camp cuts/trades to complete the roster.

Plenty of teams passed on Carr, some more than once. He also flashed but then come back to earth last year. In that draft, we traded with the Saints and took DBuc and Smoke---both players made contributions during the Cards push behind Palmer/Fitz/BA. Carr was still on the board when the Cards took DBuc. When picking chess pieces, a starting QB has more value than a $LBer---but Cards were putting together a team for a SB run. Also, need to list all the QBs who flopped and who the Cards took instead---not just the outlier in Carr.

You can get a quick look at the number of players still in the league that were drafted by the Cards at Pro-Football Reference. The highlighted names are still active and either with the Cards or on another roster. For picks made between 2013-2017, 31 or 35 are still active in the NFL (Ryan Swope retired due to concussion concerns).

Here's the Cards drafted players:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/crd/draft.htm

For the SB champs Eagles, 36 or 37 are still active:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/draft.htm

For the Rams, 33 of 41 are still active:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram/draft.htm

For the three teams, Cards are between the Eagles and Rams as far as drafting guys who stick in the league.

The draft is not a precise science---you have to take into consideration the overall success of the league and not just a near-sighted focus on what you think are SK's 'bad' choices and how the Cards are doing.

Please provide your stats and research that shows otherwise. Don't be like some who simply whine and have a temper tantrum---that doesn't prove anything regarding criticism of SK's draft.

Plenty of teams passed on Watson. One reason was the need to tailor the offense to his skill set. Another reason was health-related and his first ACL. Watson flashed for the Texans but then went down with a second ACL---non-contact injury. Texans are concerned enough about his return to health that they are one of the teams considering Jackson in this draft.

Check the players the Cards have brought in this FA period---plenty of CBs and WRs in that group. Just because your team needs to fill those positions doesn't mean a FA is going to sign with your team. Expand your view to the rest of the league and you'll find plenty of other teams with holes to fill in their roster. Cards are not special in that regard. It is why there is a FA period, a draft, and camp cuts/trades to complete the roster.

Plenty of teams passed on Carr, some more than once. He also flashed but then come back to earth last year. In that draft, we traded with the Saints and took DBuc and Smoke---both players made contributions during the Cards push behind Palmer/Fitz/BA. Carr was still on the board when the Cards took DBuc. When picking chess pieces, a starting QB has more value than a $LBer---but Cards were putting together a team for a SB run. Also, need to list all the QBs who flopped and who the Cards took instead---not just the outlier in Carr.

You can get a quick look at the number of players still in the league that were drafted by the Cards at Pro-Football Reference. The highlighted names are still active and either with the Cards or on another roster. For picks made between 2013-2017, 31 or 35 are still active in the NFL (Ryan Swope retired due to concussion concerns).

Here's the Cards drafted players:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/crd/draft.htm

For the SB champs Eagles, 36 or 37 are still active:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/draft.htm

For the Rams, 33 of 41 are still active:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram/draft.htm

For the three teams, Cards are between the Eagles and Rams as far as drafting guys who stick in the league.

The draft is not a precise science---you have to take into consideration the overall success of the league and not just a near-sighted focus on what you think are SK's 'bad' choices and how the Cards are doing.

Please provide your stats and research that shows otherwise. Don't be like some who simply whine and have a temper tantrum---that doesn't prove anything regarding criticism of SK's draft.

"Please provide your stats and research that shows otherwise. Don't be like some who simply whine and have a temper tantrum---that doesn't prove anything regarding criticism of SK's draft"
Well Apparently you failed to read all my posts, because I have stated tons of research, backing why I believe, what I believe in this post.

For Watson- Texans are not trying to get Lamar Jackson,that point has nothing to do with what we are even talking about as well. I just remember QB's on Arian's radar. Arian's expressed interest in Watson, Mahommes and Carr. I was pointing out both times the Cards had a chance to land one of these QB's, Keim went with a LB changing positions. Keim falls in love with guys changing position so much so instead of targeting Mahommes or Watson, he had Reddick rated above every QB. Reddick doesnt even fit the scheme the Cards have in place now, failing to focus on landing a QB of the future led to the Bradford/Glennon 27 mil debacle, a real GM, would have landed a QB last year.

Here is a link to Keim having Reddick rated higher than any QB on his board
http://www.espn.com/blog/arizona-ca...reddick-was-better-than-any-qb-on-draft-board

Keim refuses to draft a QB even with Palmer 1 leg in retirement, this led them into spending 27 mil for the Bradford, Glennon duo, and dont expect to see a QB go early from the draft due to massive holes on this roster, needing to be filled with early picks. The problem is Keim has never even attempted to land a QB of the future, both times when the time came to do so he added a LBer that was changing positions.

Also, need to list all the QBs who flopped and who the Cards took instead---not just the outlier in Carr.
The only real attempt to land a QB the Cards ever made was Logan Thomas. The only Qbs on the Cards radar when they had the pick and a QB in the range of the pick were Carr, Mahommes and Watson. Arians did express interest in all 3 as well, but Keim doesnt draft QB' s to groom for some reason.

Watson was had for a next years first and the 25th pick to jump ahead of the Cards, Carr was passed on for DBuch, they could have easily been Cards


Check the players the Cards have brought in this FA period---plenty of CBs and WRs in that group. Just because your team needs to fill those positions doesn't mean a FA is going to sign with your team.

CBS- the Cards lost Honey Badger and Williams. They Specifically have 1 CB, Brandon Williams is utter garbage. Cards brought in Robert McClain, EJ Gaines and Cooper. But much like when the Cards failed to get Cousins, they added another QB, you need to have another freaking CB, why are they not attempting to add another lol. This whole draft thread was to show how often draft picks bust. You are only as good as your 2nd CB, it hinders the benefit of having PP21, if you have someone completely utterly being abused on the other side of him. Remember it wasn't that long ago Cards had Cromartie and pp21 starting as the ProBowl CBS. Why did they stop pursuing another CB plenty of vets out there (DRC,Lane etc) land a vet and draft a CB, I would much rather have a vet then just a rookie

WRS- Fitz/Nelson/Williams- Ok they brought in Matthews and signed and Butler. This group is pathetic, why isnt more attention paid here? They brought in Brice freaking Butler, your happy with this effort?
Fitz has 1 leg in retirement as well.


The draft is not a precise science---you have to take into consideration the overall success of the league and not just a near-sighted focus on what you think are SK's 'bad' choices and how the Cards are doing.
you are terribly over simplifying things,with your draft link, looking at every draft pick and getting a pct of who busts, your missing how bad Keim is in the early rds. Keim sucks early but is good later rds. Where Keim is really failing is in the impact part of the draft. he is missing in the first 3 rds. If you throw out 2015, when he landed Humphries, Golden and Johnson. (Johnson wasn't even Keim's target, he was after Ameer Abdullah, thanks to All or Nothing Documentary)

He is averaging about 1 impact player every 3 picks in the first 3 rds, Evary other drafts besides 2015.

2017 - ARIZONA CARDINALS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 13 Haason Reddick LB Temple
2 36 Budda Baker SAF Washington-
3 98 Chad Williams WR Grambling State

2016 - ARIZONA CARDINALS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 29 Robert Nkemdiche DT Mississippi
3 92 Brandon Williams CB Texas A&M

2014 - ARIZONA CARDINALS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 27 Deone Bucannon SS Washington State
2 52 Troy Niklas TE Notre Dame
3 84 Kareem Martin DE North Carolina


2013 - ARIZONA CARDINALS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 7 Jonathan Cooper OG North Carolina
2 45 Kevin Minter LB LSU
3 69 Tyrann Mathieu FS LS



here is a much better link to how teams fair drafting guys in the first 3 rds.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...m-by-team-draft-success-in-first-three-rounds


Draft Success Rounds 1-3, 2010-15
(click column header to sort)
Team Picks in Rds 1-3 Primary Starters Success rate
Indianapolis 17 11 64.7%
Jacksonville 17 15 88.2%
Oakland 17 14 82.4%
Dallas 16 13 81.3%
Carolina 15 12 80.0%
Buffalo 18 14 77.8%
San Diego 19 14 73.7%
Atlanta 15 11 73.3%
Tennessee 18 13 72.2%
Washington 14 10 71.4%
NY Jets 17 12 70.6%
Chicago 15 10 66.7%
Detroit 18 12 66.7%
New Orleans 18 12 66.7%
Pittsburgh 18 12 66.7%
Los Angeles 23 15 65.2%
Tampa Bay 18 15 83.3%
Minnesota 17 11 64.7%
Seattle 14 9 64.3%
Cleveland 25 16 64.0%
Denver 21 13 61.9%
Kansas City 21 13 61.9%
Miami 18 11 61.1%
Baltimore 19 11 57.9%
Philadelphia 19 11 57.9%
Arizona 18 10 55.6%
NY Giants 18 10 55.6%
Houston 20 11 55.0%
New England 23 12 52.2%
Green Bay 18 9 50.0%
San Francisco 21 10 47.6%
Cincinnati 23 10 43.5%


Keim avg 1 good player out of the first 3 rds, in every draft he has done, besides 2015, really shows Keim, is weak at the draft, This is when your landing your impact players. I would really love to see an updated version of this chart with only Keims picks to the rest of the NFL. But when you look at all his drafts he is missing alot more than hitting, in the early rounds, This is when your landing your impact players.

With all this info its hard to say Keim is doing an outstanding job, I am not just whining, I just in detail showed you massive miss steps, being made

 

[GimmedaBall]

"Please provide your stats and research that shows otherwise. Don't be like some who simply whine and have a temper tantrum---that doesn't prove anything regarding criticism of SK's draft"
Well Apparently you failed to read all my posts, because I have stated tons of research, backing why I believe, what I believe in this post.

For Watson- Texans are not trying to get Lamar Jackson,that point has nothing to do with what we are even talking about as well. I just remember QB's on Arian's radar. Arian's expressed interest in Watson, Mahommes and Carr. I was pointing out both times the Cards had a chance to land one of these QB's, Keim went with a LB changing positions. Keim falls in love with guys changing position so much so instead of targeting Mahommes or Watson, he had Reddick rated above every QB. Reddick doesnt even fit the scheme the Cards have in place now, failing to focus on landing a QB of the future led to the Bradford/Glennon 27 mil debacle, a real GM, would have landed a QB last year.

Here is a link to Keim having Reddick rated higher than any QB on his board
http://www.espn.com/blog/arizona-ca...reddick-was-better-than-any-qb-on-draft-board

Keim refuses to draft a QB even with Palmer 1 leg in retirement, this led them into spending 27 mil for the Bradford, Glennon duo, and dont expect to see a QB go early from the draft due to massive holes on this roster, needing to be filled with early picks. The problem is Keim has never even attempted to land a QB of the future, both times when the time came to do so he added a LBer that was changing positions.

Also, need to list all the QBs who flopped and who the Cards took instead---not just the outlier in Carr.
The only real attempt to land a QB the Cards ever made was Logan Thomas. The only Qbs on the Cards radar when they had the pick and a QB in the range of the pick were Carr, Mahommes and Watson. Arians did express interest in all 3 as well, but Keim doesnt draft QB' s to groom for some reason.

Watson was had for a next years first and the 25th pick to jump ahead of the Cards, Carr was passed on for DBuch, they could have easily been Cards


Check the players the Cards have brought in this FA period---plenty of CBs and WRs in that group. Just because your team needs to fill those positions doesn't mean a FA is going to sign with your team.

CBS- the Cards lost Honey Badger and Williams. They Specifically have 1 CB, Brandon Williams is utter garbage. Cards brought in Robert McClain, EJ Gaines and Cooper. But much like when the Cards failed to get Cousins, they added another QB, you need to have another freaking CB, why are they not attempting to add another lol. This whole draft thread was to show how often draft picks bust. You are only as good as your 2nd CB, it hinders the benefit of having PP21, if you have someone completely utterly being abused on the other side of him. Remember it wasn't that long ago Cards had Cromartie and pp21 starting as the ProBowl CBS. Why did they stop pursuing another CB plenty of vets out there (DRC,Lane etc) land a vet and draft a CB, I would much rather have a vet then just a rookie

WRS- Fitz/Nelson/Williams- Ok they brought in Matthews and signed and Butler. This group is pathetic, why isnt more attention paid here? They brought in Brice freaking Butler, your happy with this effort?
Fitz has 1 leg in retirement as well.


The draft is not a precise science---you have to take into consideration the overall success of the league and not just a near-sighted focus on what you think are SK's 'bad' choices and how the Cards are doing.
you are terribly over simplifying things,with your draft link, looking at every draft pick and getting a pct of who busts, your missing how bad Keim is in the early rds. Keim sucks early but is good later rds. Where Keim is really failing is in the impact part of the draft. he is missing in the first 3 rds. If you throw out 2015, when he landed Humphries, Golden and Johnson. (Johnson wasn't even Keim's target, he was after Ameer Abdullah, thanks to All or Nothing Documentary)

He is averaging about 1 impact player every 3 picks in the first 3 rds, Evary other drafts besides 2015.

2017 - ARIZONA CARDINALS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 13 Haason Reddick LB Temple
2 36 Budda Baker SAF Washington-
3 98 Chad Williams WR Grambling State

2016 - ARIZONA CARDINALS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 29 Robert Nkemdiche DT Mississippi
3 92 Brandon Williams CB Texas A&M

2014 - ARIZONA CARDINALS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 27 Deone Bucannon SS Washington State
2 52 Troy Niklas TE Notre Dame
3 84 Kareem Martin DE North Carolina


2013 - ARIZONA CARDINALS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 7 Jonathan Cooper OG North Carolina
2 45 Kevin Minter LB LSU
3 69 Tyrann Mathieu FS LS



here is a much better link to how teams fair drafting guys in the first 3 rds.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...m-by-team-draft-success-in-first-three-rounds


Draft Success Rounds 1-3, 2010-15
(click column header to sort)
Team Picks in Rds 1-3 Primary Starters Success rate
Indianapolis 17 11 64.7%
Jacksonville 17 15 88.2%
Oakland 17 14 82.4%
Dallas 16 13 81.3%
Carolina 15 12 80.0%
Buffalo 18 14 77.8%
San Diego 19 14 73.7%
Atlanta 15 11 73.3%
Tennessee 18 13 72.2%
Washington 14 10 71.4%
NY Jets 17 12 70.6%
Chicago 15 10 66.7%
Detroit 18 12 66.7%
New Orleans 18 12 66.7%
Pittsburgh 18 12 66.7%
Los Angeles 23 15 65.2%
Tampa Bay 18 15 83.3%
Minnesota 17 11 64.7%
Seattle 14 9 64.3%
Cleveland 25 16 64.0%
Denver 21 13 61.9%
Kansas City 21 13 61.9%
Miami 18 11 61.1%
Baltimore 19 11 57.9%
Philadelphia 19 11 57.9%
Arizona 18 10 55.6%
NY Giants 18 10 55.6%
Houston 20 11 55.0%
New England 23 12 52.2%
Green Bay 18 9 50.0%
San Francisco 21 10 47.6%
Cincinnati 23 10 43.5%


Keim avg 1 good player out of the first 3 rds, in every draft he has done, besides 2015, really shows Keim, is weak at the draft, This is when your landing your impact players. I would really love to see an updated version of this chart with only Keims picks to the rest of the NFL. But when you look at all his drafts he is missing alot more than hitting, in the early rounds, This is when your landing your impact players.

With all this info its hard to say Keim is doing an outstanding job, I am not just whining, I just in deatail showed you massive miss steps.

Great response. Bottom line is the Cards record during SK's term as GM. Even with all the injuries last year, Cards put up a 8-8 record. The other bottom line is the owner giving SK an extension on his contract. MB has been around the game since he was a child. Do you discount MB's judgement in keeping SK?

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

You state that you are "highly unqualified to make such decisions" yet you continue to pass judgement on SK's decisions???

You don't have to be a 5 star chef to tell the waitress how you would like your steak cooked. If you don't know, you either eat what is on your plate or you go to bed hungry.

No soup for you.

Ok Champ.... You go feast on this glorious SK roster.

 

[Shaggy]

Here is a hindsight move, Watson was had for a next years first and the 25th pick to jump ahead of the Cards. Also with the lack of getting sure things from the draft, Having 1 Wr and 1 cb is a joke. I dont even here of anyone being brought in. Also if you had a QB of the future, the 27 million dollars the Card are paying the Brad and Glen combo. There hasnt been any talk of bringing cbs or WR in. The CB and Wr corp are empty. Lets just say Watson could of been had for Reddick and whoever is picked this year in the 1st. BUT keim refuses to get a QB of the future, he passed on Carr as well its very annoying. He also refuses to add a CB opposite of PP21

You got to remember that kiem is the the only one making those decisions in the war room. BA probably had a say in things to.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

You got to remember that kiem is the the only one making those decisions in the war room. BA probably had a say in things to.

The very picks Keim passed QBs on were LBers who recently changed positions. That is a Keim specialty right there. Arians said he liked Carr, Mahommes and Watson, It will be interesting to see how it changes with Wilks

 

[GimmedaBall]

You got to remember that kiem is the the only one making those decisions in the war room. BA probably had a say in things to.

I asked that question on the Card's organizational structure and decision-making process in a different thread. Had a few responses but don't recall a definitive answer on how the way MB has the duties assigned.

First two-three years with BA, I thought he was part of the final decision in the draft and war room. After looking at BA's repeated pleas in the media for a QB---Card's passed. I think this indicates that SK was final word during the draft at least when BA was HC.

Anyone know how it is now structured? How much input does the new HC have? How much is going to be all SK? Does MB ever intervene and override a draft decision?

 

[GimmedaBall]

Ok Champ.... You go feast on this glorious SK roster.

I'll send a 5 star chef over to your place (he's the one in my avatar). Perhaps he can cook you up some liver, fava beans and a nice Chianti.

 

[Chopper0080]

I believe the idea is that a better GM would not have put us in the position we were at this offseason at QB.

I agree with much of the data presented in this thread. Keim is a league average GM. He has strengths and he has weaknesses. Most do.

My big critiques of Keim are his lack of roster continuity in re-signing mid level players, his first round selections, the AP trade, and where he has put himself at QB this offseason.

I don't believe we can determine if the offensive line's lack of development was due to him or Arians. Same goes with the poor special teams. Did he not draft players who could contribute or was he told it didn't matter.