But seriously, folks.

[AZ Native]

This team is going nowhere. I have been a Suns’ fan since 68. We are not winning anything with this team. Nothing. Not even the play in. Time to blow it up and start over. No one is untouchable. Not Book, KD, Beal etc. we are dead meat for 5-10 years. No future, no picks. It is over. Convince me otherwise. Just look at the younger athletic teams out there with draft capital. It’s over.

 

[Peter Sheldon]

So true. If Beal didn’t have the no trade clause, you could turn he and KD into possibly 3 good young players and some future picks. You’d have a fighting chance of creating a future team. Book is great, but near useless at the end of most games. I’d be fine with getting rid of any or all of the big 3. Heck, at the moment they are healthy and still can’t win against middle of the road teams.

 

[CardNots]

This team is going nowhere. I have been a Suns’ fan since 68. We are not winning anything with this team. Nothing. Not even the play in. Time to blow it up and start over. No one is untouchable. Not Book, KD, Beal etc. we are dead meat for 5-10 years. No future, no picks. It is over. Convince me otherwise. Just look at the younger athletic teams out the with draft capital. It’s over.

So, no hope…

 

[AZ Native]

So, no hope…

Not from me. Mr Optimistic. Prove me wrong.

 

[boisesuns]

I’m telling you…

7 Suckents or Less

 

[SunsFanFirst]

Book is not great. The whole reason we are in this mess is because we built around him thinking he was the next Kobe. That was wrong. Should have traded him instead of giving him the super max. That was dumber than Dallas trading Luka

 

[Goldfield]

Trade them all

 

[CardNots]

Not from me. Mr Optimistic. Prove me wrong.

I literally can see the bottom of the pickle barrel even though the brine…

 

[MartinD]

Yeah, blow it up, start from scratch, and we'll have a championship in... never because the ownership isn't changing. The guy can make money, but he isn't growing new brain cells.

Keep Book. He is great and the Suns are lucky to have him. Beal's been playing well, coming off of the bench and not whining about it. We've got some good young players that give me hope. They want to be here. Where would the team be if management hadn't mortgaged the future for an aging superstar? In a lot better place. If fans got to pick who was traded, I'd say dump our fanboy billionaire who pulls all the strings.

BTW, I'm glad the Butler deal fell through. He quit on his team.

 

[CardNots]

Yeah, blow it up, start from scratch, and we'll have a championship in... never because the ownership isn't changing. The guy can make money, but he isn't growing new brain cells.

Keep Book. He is great and the Suns are lucky to have him. Beal's been playing well, coming off of the bench and not whining about it. We've got some good young players that give me hope. They want to be here. Where would the team be if management hadn't mortgaged the future for an aging superstar? In a lot better place. If fans got to pick who was traded, I'd say dump our fanboy billionaire who pulls all the strings.

BTW, I'm glad the Butler deal fell through. He quit on his team.

I didn’t see the blow up part of your go forward plan…

 

[dscher]

Book is not great. The whole reason we are in this mess is because we built around him thinking he was the next Kobe. That was wrong. Should have traded him instead of giving him the super max. That was dumber than Dallas trading Luka

This. These are the decisions that make or break a franchise. It broke us. Can't say I didn't see it coming either... Anyone outside the fans and org knew this about Booker IMHO. We let the abilities of cp3 highlight too many of our flaws that finals year. Much like how the Nash led Suns were nothing without him. Neither was that team without cp3. Should have been a sign moving forward. Unfortunately it wasn't for those making the critical decisions. Oh well. Just same ole pain for Suns fans.. nothing we aren't used to.

 

[SirStefan32]

What's driving me crazy is that I can't figure out HOW this team is a bad as it is. I just don't understand how they are not the best offensive team in the league. KD is one of the best players to ever play the game, Booker is not a superstar, but he is a very good player, Beal was the leading scorer for a couple of years. On top of that, they are surrounded by shooters- Allen, O'Neale, Jones. They have point guards now, and they got a serviceable big. They should not be this bad. I understand KD is a bit of a ball-stopper, I understand Booker and Beal are largely redundant, I understand the whole teams lack size and athleticism, but still, they should be dropping 120 points every night. I just don't get it.

 

[1tinsoldier]

This. These are the decisions that make or break a franchise. It broke us. Can't say I didn't see it coming either... Anyone outside the fans and org knew this about Booker IMHO. We let the abilities of cp3 highlight too many of our flaws that finals year. Much like how the Nash led Suns were nothing without him. Neither was that team without cp3. Should have been a sign moving forward. Unfortunately it wasn't for those making the critical decisions. Oh well. Just same ole pain for Suns fans.. nothing we aren't used to.

you should post more often, DS. Indeed, as the All-Star votes validated, there's huge gap between the home-town and national valuation of Booker. The squeaky wheels here haul the PR spin from Suns radio & TV. The evidence is instantly available in stats and other facts but they'll just shoot the messenger. Willingly trade the evidence they can see with their own eyes, for what they want to believe.

 

[BirdGangThing]

What's driving me crazy is that I can't figure out HOW this team is a bad as it is. I just don't understand how they are not the best offensive team in the league. KD is one of the best players to ever play the game, Booker is not a superstar, but he is a very good player, Beal was the leading scorer for a couple of years. On top of that, they are surrounded by shooters- Allen, O'Neale, Jones. They have point guards now, and they got a serviceable big. They should not be this bad. I understand KD is a bit of a ball-stopper, I understand Booker and Beal are largely redundant, I understand the whole teams lack size and athleticism, but still, they should be dropping 120 points every night. I just don't get it.

exactly - look at how the season started - crushed it- now we just refuse to make good passes - it's a mental thing and for some reason becomes super contagious

and don't get me started on the rebounds - bud wants the center to help and he wants them back in position for the rebound - requiring agility and size - plus he wants them to be fast enough to get up and down - there's probably like 5 centers in the league who can accomplish this - so everybody gets frustrated

lastly (and leastly) the three - live and die by the three - spacing this spacing that - we were supposed to jack it up more than anybody centers included - how did that work out? everybody camping on the arch - other teams figured that ish out real fast clogging the passing lanes leading to fast breaks

and when we're cold the missed threes only compound the rebounding problem - there's so much wrong

 

[Proximo]

We are probably going to regret not trading KD yesterday. His value is only going to drop, and if it was a good enough offer Ishbia was considering it - that must mean it was a damn good offer.

 

[elindholm]

What's driving me crazy is that I can't figure out HOW this team is a bad as it is. I just don't understand how they are not the best offensive team in the league.

I can't figure it out either. But the Durant/Irving/Harden Nets were also lousy, there's a common link, and Ishbia didn't heed the warning.

 

[Proximo]

I can't figure it out either. But the Durant/Irving/Harden Nets were also lousy, there's a common link, and Ishbia didn't heed the warning.

You really can't figure it out? It's not that tough, they turn the ball over at a ridiculous rate and suck at rebounding. When you have 10 less shots a game than the opposition you are going to lose most of the time.

 

[TJ]

I’m out on James Jones. Beal is a great player and I really like him, but trading for him ended up being redundancy with an elite SG already on the payroll. We needed our #3 to be a great defender first and foremost. Now, because of the NTC, we’re stuck. For perspective? Miami during its Big-3 day, had three top-tier players at different positions. Same with GSW.

Colossal mistake that will likely end in a tear down to the studs

 

[elindholm]

You really can't figure it out? It's not that tough, they turn the ball over at a ridiculous rate and suck at rebounding. When you have 10 less shots a game than the opposition you are going to lose most of the time.

The Suns average 14.2 turnovers per game, which is just slightly worse than the league median. Their overall rebound rate is .492. Neither of those is awful.

 

[GatorAZ]

I can't figure it out either. But the Durant/Irving/Harden Nets were also lousy, there's a common link, and Ishbia didn't heed the warning.

When the Nets were healthy they were #1 in net rating just couldn’t be healthy all at once. They just had higher top end talent.

Nets KD > current KD
Nets Harden = current Book
Nets Kyrie > current Beal

 

[BirdGangThing]

The Suns average 14.2 turnovers per game, which is just slightly worse than the league median. Their overall rebound rate is .492. Neither of those is awful.

i think those numbers help explain being 25-25 but they also don't show our first half vs second half - second half seems to be a rougher go

 

[Sparky16]

Book is not great. The whole reason we are in this mess is because we built around him thinking he was the next Kobe. That was wrong. Should have traded him instead of giving him the super max. That was dumber than Dallas trading Luka

Giving anyone a Super Max is stupid - look for stars like Luca to get the same treatment going fwd. 70M a year, what a joke

 

[Sparky16]

I can't figure it out either. But the Durant/Irving/Harden Nets were also lousy, there's a common link, and Ishbia didn't heed the warning.

Its called being a TEAM - those are a bunch of "me" guys. Outside of the GS years where they got the "KC Chiefs" treatment from refs and league what has KD done other than put up numbers?

 

[Sparky16]

When the Nets were healthy they were #1 in net rating just couldn’t be healthy all at once. They just had higher top end talent.

Nets KD > current KD
Nets Harden = current Book >>>> NASH
Nets Kyrie > current Beal

 

[Phrazbit]

Durant is individually great but he plays apart from the team. He doesn’t elevate his teammates, he doesn’t make their jobs easier and his laissez-faire, passive aggressive personality is the fairest thing from leadership.

He is pretty plain about it when he talks about the game. He wants to “hoop”, play one on one like he’s in the park.

The rare times when he has a long stretch where he buys into the offense and plays fast and moves off the ball we do look like a great offense, but it never lasts.

And the turnovers, good Lord, I’ve never seen a superstar that is as sloppy with the ball as he is. Lazy dumb passes abound.