Krangodnzr
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I would argue any where between top five and top three....
Cam breaks the bank with a monster contract...
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I would argue any where between top five and top three....
Krangodnzr
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Agreed. Carolina's offensive is Cardinals bad. Like Baptiste bad.
They have a few decent (not great) RBs, a good tight end, and one good, but young WR. The rest of their offensive skill position players are third stringers at best.
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I dunno. I think I'd rather, right now, have Rodgers, Brees, P. Manning, P. Rivers, B. Roethlisberger, and T. Brady. I think you could talk me into Tony Romo if I'm drunk. But those first six are pretty solid.
Meh, the team won the division, not Cam. That is like saying he is better than those other two QBs, no way I could agree with that in any form.
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What part of the team? Their 16th-ranked defense? Jonathan Stewart's 8 starts? Newton was able to do more with less talent in the same division with a Top 5 QB and a Top 12 QB. That's something.
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FTR--Cam was 5-8-1 as a starter last season.
Winning a soft division at 7-8-1 isn't exactly a feather in the cap. He's the third best QB in his division, and that's not even a discussion.
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And yet they blocked so much better for Anderson.
Cam had a leg injury at some point last year IIRC? My guess is maybe he couldn't play the way he normally plays and either ran into some sacks or took some sacks he wouldn't normally take, but then you look at the stats and see he's been sacked about that many times all 4 years. That is he just takes sacks, he's big and fast and thinks he can outrun pass rushers, sometimes he can, often he can't. Makes his completion % even more interesting because he's not a guy throwing the ball away, if nobody is open he will tuck it and run.
Good player for sure, I wonder how long he'll be able to run that well without getting hurt. Probably worth the risk for Carolina they had no other better option. Steve Young went from running QB to QB who could run, maybe Newton can do that too.
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I'm not so sure it isn't a discussion. Bree's is the best IMO but Ryan has not proven he can win anything. Matt Ryan holds the record for the lowest win percentage playing at least 5 games, (presently .200). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records
Past two seasons the Falcons have won 4 and 6 games. Top notch QB's typically don't allow their teams to stink it up that badly.
Bottom line is that I do think Ryan is a very good NFL QB but it isn't a slam dunk he is better than Cam unless you are just playing fantasy football.
Winston is a rookie so while he has promise we don't know for sure.
You lost me at the last line.
Palmer is a better QB, and better for this offense.
And that is a rarity that a guy of Cam's skill would not beat out our current starter.
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Cam is way better than Cutler and Eli. As good as Romo imo.
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Puhlease..... Newton might not be Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rothlisberger, however much younger and lots more potential.
But saying he is not even on the same level as the ones you mentioned ist just stupid.
You just keep trying to convince yourself of this. His stats haven't substantially gotten any better in any category over 4 years. When is he going to start reaching that potential? Huh?? All the QBs taken in 2011 are mediocre at best and then go downhill from there. Cam has improved just as much as Dalton which is not at all. Hell Ryan Tannehill has gotten better each and every year in almost every category while Cam has been stuck in neutral. You don't even want to compare Cam to Luck. So before you go saying someone's opinion is just stupid you ought to check your facts first. Got that Forest.
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To be fair, Tannehill and Dalton have continually had talent added around them, while Newton had has his supporting cast systematically stripped away.
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The problem with Newton is far beyond his running and passing skills, He's a sulking little bitch when something doesn't go his way.. Hardly the leader you want out of a 120 million dollar QB.
Here is his sideline demeanor 90% of the time.
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Ya'll be cray sometimes. I'd take Cam in a heartbeat, even over Palmer.
Name some QBs with less talent around him than Cam? And I don't just mean WRs, go up and down the team. Even if you merely limit it to offense, the cupboard is bare.
Sure, he sulks at times, a lot like Cutler if you ask me, but BA is a straight up type-A dominant, old school, man. You can't convincingly tell me he wouldn't groom this kid both in demeanor and mechanics. Some of you believed he could groom Stanton to win a playoff game--some people thought more than one. Cam has much more talent to work with. His floor is Stanton's absolute ceiling, on his best day.
And the issue with his running is ridiculous. When you have nobody to throw to and the play breaks down that's what happens. Furthermore, Palmer is a statue and has suffered debilitating injuries throughout his career. Sure, running is dangerous, but so is sitting in the pocket waiting for Ocho Cinco to get open 50 yards down field and having dudes crash around your knees. BA has coached big Ben and Andrew Luck, two QBs who also have a propensity to scramble when the play breaks down. It's not as if BA doesn't know how to work with what he has.
Cam would have a larger impact on this franchise than AP potentially would have over the next 10 years. I trust that BA could "fix" his issues over a 5-10 year period because there's simply much more to work with.
This current attitude toward Cam is why we never have nice things. We'd rather go with a dinosaur like Emmitt Smith or Dave Krieg or Boomer Esiason, and many many more.
With the right coaching, Cam Newton would turn this franchise around, long term.
Name some QBs with less talent around him than Cam? And I don't just mean WRs, go up and down the team. Even if you merely limit it to offense, the cupboard is bare.
Sure, he sulks at times, a lot like Cutler if you ask me, but BA is a straight up type-A dominant, old school, man. You can't convincingly tell me he wouldn't groom this kid both in demeanor and mechanics. Some of you believed he could groom Stanton to win a playoff game--some people thought more than one. Cam has much more talent to work with. His floor is Stanton's absolute ceiling, on his best day.
And the issue with his running is ridiculous. When you have nobody to throw to and the play breaks down that's what happens. Furthermore, Palmer is a statue and has suffered debilitating injuries throughout his career. Sure, running is dangerous, but so is sitting in the pocket waiting for Ocho Cinco to get open 50 yards down field and having dudes crash around your knees. BA has coached big Ben and Andrew Luck, two QBs who also have a propensity to scramble when the play breaks down. It's not as if BA doesn't know how to work with what he has.
Cam would have a larger impact on this franchise than AP potentially would have over the next 10 years. I trust that BA could "fix" his issues over a 5-10 year period because there's simply much more to work with.
This current attitude toward Cam is why we never have nice things. We'd rather go with a dinosaur like Emmitt Smith or Dave Krieg or Boomer Esiason, and many many more.
With the right coaching, Cam Newton would turn this franchise around, long term.
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Just strengthens the point.. Cutler, another talented QB who has absolutely zero leadership ability.
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No, Cam is not as good as Romo in my opinion. If Romo would not protect players on his team who screw up on routes and timing patterns and state so in his pressers, he would not have his current image... the Cowboys have some of the worst WRs running routes and other than Witten, the TEs too
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I understand and respect your point but by the same token, till he has a better supporting class... he would still have to prove he is better than he is now
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Cam has had weapons around him in the past. Carolina's running game was near the top in the league with Williams and Stewart. (along with Cam) QB's best friend right? He also had Steve Smith and Greg Olsen as throwing targets. His cupboard wasn't completely bare.
A good summation of Newton.
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And when he had that the threw for over 4000 yards, rushed for over 700 yards and scored 31 TDs combined passing and rushing.
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And when he had that the threw for over 4000 yards, rushed for over 700 yards and scored 31 TDs combined passing and rushing.
He also threw 17 INTs. A TD:INT ratio of 21:17 stinks. Especially for someone trying to be put in the upper echelon of QBs. He was also sacked 35 times that year. His offensive line wasn't that poor at the time either. He runs into sacks quite often.
My brother who lives in Charlotte and watches every game tells me that is his weakness. Takes way too many sacks than he should for someone with that type of mobility.
