Cam Newton tests positive for Covid

[Solar7]

We have 8 players with Covid and we're talking about cancelling the league and rare cases

No, we have two games being rescheduled and becoming logistical nightmares when we start to make these moves each week. This isn't baseball, you can't schedule a new doubleheader and play two in a row, you can't have NFL players flying hundreds of miles with equipment on a whim to go play a midweek game, and then have them ready to go again Sunday.

Unlike the Titans-Steelers game, there isn't an easy way to move around the schedules of the Chiefs and Pats to match their opponents. If they're not ready to play Monday or Tuesday as cases rise, what then?

When this happens in the middle of bye weeks, and teams have already played, what then?

I mean, I bet I know your answer, it's going to be something like "stop postponing games at all, Covid doesn't matter," but the truth is they're going to have to keep moving games. And eventually it's going to be too much if we start to average two a week.

These guys aren't in a bubble. They have to take nearly day-long trips in some cases to get where they need to be.

Edit: This is also the worst case scenario for any team. For people who put money on the game. For fantasy players, and people who want to watch good football. The Pats have next to no chance against the Chiefs without their starting QB. The Pats will probably lose two weeks in a row.

 

[PDXChris]

I'm not sure if you're playing argument games or just missing the obvious? You're not going to find many people here saying "end the season now" because we have 8 cases. We're projecting what can and likely will happen as that 8 becomes 17 and then 39 and then 126. If they can keep the numbers down like they've been so far, the season will go on. But, regardless of whether the players and the others involved are almost risk free, they don't live in a bubble so if the numbers do jump as some of us believe they will, then, it will be time to halt the games.

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[BritCard]

I'm not sure if you're playing argument games or just missing the obvious? You're not going to find many people here saying "end the season now" because we have 8 cases. We're projecting what can and likely will happen as that 8 becomes 17 and then 39 and then 126. If they can keep the numbers down like they've been so far, the season will go on. But, regardless of whether the players and the others involved are almost risk free, they don't live in a bubble so if the numbers do jump as some of us believe they will, then, it will be time to halt the games.

No, the point is people always speculating the worse. There never balance or logic involved.

What you have at the moment are two teams with starters that have Covid and no incidents so far of cross franchise infection.

By far the largest statistical possibility is that each of those two teams isolates the contagious and things return to status quo. Like the other 30 teams.

Yet here we are talking about players dying, NFL being cancelled and random meat heads that lost a bunch of muscle mass lying in bed on a diet of about 1000 calories a day.

 

[BritCard]

No, we have two games being rescheduled and becoming logistical nightmares when we start to make these moves each week. This isn't baseball, you can't schedule a new doubleheader and play two in a row, you can't have NFL players flying hundreds of miles with equipment on a whim to go play a midweek game, and then have them ready to go again Sunday.

Unlike the Titans-Steelers game, there isn't an easy way to move around the schedules of the Chiefs and Pats to match their opponents. If they're not ready to play Monday or Tuesday as cases rise, what then?

When this happens in the middle of bye weeks, and teams have already played, what then?

I mean, I bet I know your answer, it's going to be something like "stop postponing games at all, Covid doesn't matter," but the truth is they're going to have to keep moving games. And eventually it's going to be too much if we start to average two a week.

These guys aren't in a bubble. They have to take nearly day-long trips in some cases to get where they need to be.

Edit: This is also the worst case scenario for any team. For people who put money on the game. For fantasy players, and people who want to watch good football. The Pats have next to no chance against the Chiefs without their starting QB. The Pats will probably lose two weeks in a row.

And? What exactly is different from anything we discussed pre season.

We discussed what would happen if the QB goes down. Teams discussed what would happen. The same things that would happen if Cam tweaked his ankle again, or caught the flu, had a bad seafood buffet or finally realised how stupid he looks in his outfits and couldn't leave the house. It's absolutely no different from an individual player ability standpoint.

Now from a contagion standpoint I understand the league has to be cautious and wait a couple of days for testing. It makes sense to move to Tuesday.

Otherwise it goes on as normal and the Pats pay the price for letting their QB catch Covid.

But there's absolutely no reason that this should spread through the league considering both instances are isolated local incidents that were caught by the testing regime.

Frankly I think it's timely. I guarentee all teams have been slipping in their Covid safety (as we saw with Vegas) and hopefully they will get back on point.

 

[BritCard]

It's not rare for christ sake. A German study said 60% of those hospitalized have ongoing myocardial inflammation. This a big deal! Stop with your dismissive conjecture based on noting factual. Immediate death is not the only issue here. We will be a spike in heart and pulmonary related deaths attributed to post Covid for years to come.

"A German study of recently-recovered COVID-19 patients examined using magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) revealed cardiac involvement in 78% of patients, and ongoing myocardial inflammation in 60%."

https://cardiovascularnews.com/fran...complications-in-recovered-covid-19-patients/

Oh god not that again.

And heres the article they published pointing out all the errors.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2770026

Its trash.

Just using a tiny bit of logic. If 60% of Covid sufferers have heart issues and several thousand sportsman worldwide have had Covid including a number of Europe's elite soccer teams and several hundred NFL, NBA and MLB players why aren't there thousands of athletes that can't compete?

 

[Solar7]

And? What exactly is different from anything we discussed pre season.

We discussed what would happen if the QB goes down. Teams discussed what would happen. The same things that would happen if Cam tweaked his ankle again, or caught the flu, had a bad seafood buffet or finally realised how stupid he looks in his outfits and couldn't leave the house. It's absolutely no different from an individual player ability standpoint.

Now from a contagion standpoint I understand the league has to be cautious and wait a couple of days for testing. It makes sense to move to Tuesday.

Otherwise it goes on as normal and the Pats pay the price for letting their QB catch Covid.

But there's absolutely no reason that this should spread through the league considering both instances are isolated local incidents that were caught by the testing regime.

Frankly I think it's timely. I guarentee all teams have been slipping in their Covid safety (as we saw with Vegas) and hopefully they will get back on point.

I hope you realize I'm not exclusively talking about players getting sick and dying, or catching this, but the rescheduling/delay of games being untenable to a functioning season. If more Patriots/Chiefs players test positive today or Sunday, they'll have to move it. And what then? Week 18?

https://www.latimes.com/sports/stor...coronavirus-tests-nfl-week-18-patriots-chiefs

It's postulated there.

Frankly, the Chiefs have a positive player too. So two teams that have been exposed to Covid would be clashing on Monday or Tuesday. That's an opportunity for an outbreak, and a situation where it would effect the schedules of the Broncos and Raiders for their matchups with each team next week. The schedule challenges build on themselves with these exposures.

 

[PDXChris]

Oh god not that again.

And heres the article they published pointing out all the errors.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2770026

Its trash.

Just using a tiny bit of logic. If 60% of Covid sufferers have heart issues and several thousand sportsman worldwide have had Covid including a number of Europe's elite soccer teams and several hundred NFL, NBA and MLB players why aren't there thousands of athletes that can't compete?

It specifically said 60% of those who were hospitalized from it, not those who had it. That's a big distinction.

But cool, I'm going to just pretend you don't exist like you are pretending COVID isn't a big deal.

 

[CardNots]

Oh god not that again.

And heres the article they published pointing out all the errors.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2770026

Its trash.

Just using a tiny bit of logic. If 60% of Covid sufferers have heart issues and several thousand sportsman worldwide have had Covid including a number of Europe's elite soccer teams and several hundred NFL, NBA and MLB players why aren't there thousands of athletes that can't compete?

It’s like this. Logic lays the foundation for a good argument, facts and statistics not so much

 

[BritCard]

I hope you realize I'm not exclusively talking about players getting sick and dying, or catching this, but the rescheduling/delay of games being untenable to a functioning season. If more Patriots/Chiefs players test positive today or Sunday, they'll have to move it. And what then? Week 18?

https://www.latimes.com/sports/stor...coronavirus-tests-nfl-week-18-patriots-chiefs

It's postulated there.

Frankly, the Chiefs have a positive player too. So two teams that have been exposed to Covid would be clashing on Monday or Tuesday. That's an opportunity for an outbreak, and a situation where it would effect the schedules of the Broncos and Raiders for their matchups with each team next week. The schedule challenges build on themselves with these exposures.

I always thought that the NFL were overly optimistic with it's schedule. There should always have been at least one week left blank to accommodate games that required rescheduling as it was always likely at least one team would have a cluster outbreak. The fact the NFL didn't was a massively over optimistic.

But teams have 53 man rosters and expanded practice squads for a reason. What's the difference between losing 8 players to IR, like the Eagles have at the moment, and 8 players to CV19? None.

The main problem at the moment is that the NFL seems to have put a lot of thought into stopping Covid getting in, without much thought about what they would do if it did. But I expect this to solve itself with a doubling down on rule adherence. I guarantee you a lot of teams have gotten slack on SD, and not wearing masks on planes etc because they think they testing makes them safe. Now they know that's not the case.

 

[BritCard]

It specifically said 60% of those who were hospitalized from it, not those who had it. That's a big distinction.

But cool, I'm going to just pretend you don't exist like you are pretending COVID isn't a big deal.

Here we go. Why do people think there are only two types of people? Those that think Covid is fake and those that believe everything they read? What happened to good old fashioned reason?

Covid is deadly, covid is dangerous but it's a statistically proven fact that it's only deadly and dangerous to certain people none of which are footballers.

Why would you even bring up "60% of those that are hospitalized have heart issues" when not one single football player has been hospitalized? And that's ignoring the fact that if this was true where are the 350,000 Americans with heart conditions?

 

[BritCard]

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[Ronin]

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[BritCard]

The game is on for Monday at 7.05 ET

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[ReasonableMan]

Just to keep this real, the CDC statistics for any individual under the age of 50 with Covid 19 dying is .2 hundredths of a per cent or 0.0002. When you consider the subset of NFL players who are under the age of 40 and in excellent condition the mortality odds would even be much lower.

Two hundredths is .02 isn’t it?

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Stefan Gilmore has tested positive.


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[Ronin]

Stefan Gilmore has tested positive.


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[RON_IN_OC]

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Saw a great pic this morning of Gilmore with Mahomes after the game Monday night...something to keep an eye on, with contact tracing. Gilmore was one of the 20 Pats players that had known close contact with Cam and who traveled on separate plane to KC.

Regarding game pic, it’s not great if Pat tests positive...it’s great if it ends up being evidence for contact tracing and spreading.


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[Ronin]

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Stephon Gilmore is the only #Patriots player to test positive from Tuesday's round of testing, per source. The reigning NFL Defensive Player of the Year now joins Cam Newton on the Reserve/COVID-19 list.

 

[Ronin]

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[RON_IN_OC]

Saw a great pic this morning of Gilmore with Mahomes after the game Monday night...something to keep an eye on, with contact tracing. Gilmore was one of the 20 Pats players that had known close contact with Cam and who traveled on separate plane to KC.

Regarding game pic, it’s not great if Pat tests positive...it’s great if it ends up being evidence for contact tracing and spreading.


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Gilmore/Mahomes after the game. If they can't do jersey swaps, they shouldn't be doing this, either...Just waive and get off the field.

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[Ronin]

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[Dback Jon]

Another Titan tests positive

 

[Ronin]

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