Cam Newton = Trouble

[Cbus cardsfan]

i asked him on twitter if he would like to play for cardinals,he wrote me this:

Cameron2Newton Cameron Newton



Honestly man I would love to play with the dolphins.I think I would fit into that offense well

So did Pat White .

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Auburn asked that the dad stay away to help avoid a media circus. So his dad decided he wanted to see his son play the final game of his college career, what a crime!

My point beimg the media circus THEY created. I didn't hear Stanford asking Oliver Luck to stay away because of a media circus. In fact, I don't know of any other college player where their parents were asked to stay. You don't think that is the least bit unusual?

 

[Arizona's Finest]

You know who Lawrence Phillips is? Go look it up.

I do. Do you?

How someone who attacked, molested and raped women in College (and later in the Pros) could be deemed analogous to Cam Newton is an absolute distortion of the term.

Ranks right up there with: "Do you know who loved dogs? Hitler. Do you know who else loves dogs? George W. Bush." ... Ergo...

Geez Canuck I wouldn't have guessed this would be you. You do realize I wasn't comparing Cam Newton and Lawrence Phillips right?

I was saying off the field issues can and will determine how good a player can perform on the field. If you would have read the post I quoted you would realize that. It was an extreme example, but one to show how important character can be in evaluating players.

I mean I even stated someone was going to write the EXACT post you did and you fell right into that bear trap LOL.

 

[Southpaw]

i asked him on twitter if he would like to play for cardinals,he wrote me this:

Cameron2Newton Cameron Newton



Honestly man I would love to play with the dolphins.I think I would fit into that offense well

What offense? The Dolphins don't have an offense and they are interviewing Brad Childress to replace Dan Henning.

 

[Southpaw]

My point beimg the media circus THEY created. I didn't hear Stanford asking Oliver Luck to stay away because of a media circus. In fact, I don't know of any other college player where their parents were asked to stay. You don't think that is the least bit unusual?

and this coming from the cheatingest team in the cheatingest conference in football. Auburn wrote the book.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Geez Canuck I wouldn't have guessed this would be you. You do realize I wasn't comparing Cam Newton and Lawrence Phillips right?

I was saying off the field issues can and will determine how good a player can perform on the field. If you would have read the post I quoted you would realize that. It was an extreme example, but one to show how important character can be in evaluating players.

I mean I even stated someone was going to write the EXACT post you did and you fell right into that bear trap LOL.

I read the post, and agree that "character" is an important component in the evaluation, but my point is that the example was just too EXTREME!

 

[TJ]

I read the post, and agree that "character" is an important component in the evaluation, but my point is that the example was just too EXTREME!

So? The underlying point was made, right?

 

[Southpaw]

Maybe Randy Moss is a better comparison. His rep knocked him way down in the draft and even though he has HoF numbers, he has pissed and moaned his way off of half a dozen teams. He became a coach killer.

 

[slinslin]

Maybe Randy Moss is a better comparison. His rep knocked him way down in the draft and even though he has HoF numbers, he has pissed and moaned his way off of half a dozen teams. He became a coach killer.

Right so you are going to tell me that Randy Moss should not be drafted in the top 5?

Also there are more than enough super stars with questionable character and it doesn't affect their performance and on the other hand there are many players with great character but suck. I just don't see how you can draw the conclusion that questionable character translate into a worse player. Again QUESTIONABLE character, we are not talking about a drug dealer, murderer or rapist here.

Michael Vick, Randy Moss, Ben Rothlesberger, Ricky Williams, Michael Jordan gambling and punching teammates in practice, Allen Iverson and many more..

Cam Newton is a great player and that is what matters, he lead a championship team that says a ton more about his character than anything involving his father and violations of NCAA rules.

 

[AzStevenCal]

and this coming from the cheatingest team in the cheatingest conference in football. Auburn wrote the book.

Yeah, but who read it for the players.

Steve

 

[Southpaw]

Right so you are going to tell me that Randy Moss should not be drafted in the top 5?

Doesn't matter what he would be drafted today. The point was he was drafted 21st in the 1st round because of character issues, not top 5.

 

[Southpaw]

Yeah, but who read it for the players.

Steve

The ever lovin' boosters.

 

[slinslin]

Doesn't matter what he would be drafted today. The point was he was drafted 21st in the 1st round because of character issues, not top 5.

But the essence is that it was a mistake not to draft him in the top 5.

 

[Duckjake]

But the essence is that it was a mistake not to draft him in the top 5.

Good point. The character stuff is exactly why we were able to get a talent like Dockett in the third round.

 

[Southpaw]

But the essence is that it was a mistake not to draft him in the top 5.

Maybe being drafted 21st and losing the big signing money was a wake up call for him to modify his behavior.

 

[Cardiac]

As anything in life one can always find exceptions to the rule. VY will NEVER have the success as a Tom Brady. Matt Leinart wasn't a bad person with huge red flags. What did him in was a different character flaw. He wasn't a leader of men at the NFL level. Doing MMA workouts are great but not throwing to Fitz during the offseason when asked to is not a leader. Heck, not reaching out to Fitz and the rest of the WR's to do this is a red flag. Offering a trip to Hawaii and only half the Oline taking you up on it is a red flag.

Big Ben is a freak of nature for his position and is the exception to the rule. Last to arrive and first to leave through most of his NFL career. Dumb offseason decisions. HUGE issue with the 2 "assault" cases.

Newton scares me as a prospect because he has several red flags. At any other position they aren't as big a deal. At the QB position it takes athletic skills, leadership, work ethic and a special "IT" factor. This isn't Meatloaf and 2 outa 3 ain't bad doesn't cut it at the QB position.

 

[Reddog]

But the essence is that it was a mistake not to draft him in the top 5.

Sure and with 20/20 hindsight Tom Brady should have been drafted top 5 too. The point is simply we dont know who will pan out and when we find someone who may be raw but posseses the tools he gets the benefit of the doubt and moves up inthe draft i.e. John Skelton. And guys that have red flags (Moss) move down the draft because for every Moss there are a dozen Claretts, Phillips, Underwoods, Barrett Robins, Manderich etc.

 

[Chopper0080]

Because you are being haters. You think that his dad going to the most important game in Newton's life is a "red flag"? Are you serious? Yes, what will happen when he's being paid millions of dollars... his did might go to all his games.

On the other hand, you have people pimping Robert Quinn as the next big thing despite the fact that he played no football at all in 2010, wasn't that good in 2009, lied to NCAA investigators, and accepted thousands of dollars in jewerly from an agent.

This isn't about Cam Newton's promise as a quarterback prospect, or lack thereof. Give me a break. I don't care if you like Cam Newton's dad, because we're not going to be drafting him.

Technically you are drafting Cam Newton's dad by drafting Cam, because Cam is willing to go against team rules to have him around. Any time that you have a negatively influential person around a player that you are going to invest millions of dollars into it is a red flag.

Cam listens to his dad. He wants his dad around. Normally this wouldn't be a concern, but when this negative influence has the ear of my top QB, I would be worried. If we traded up into the end of round 1 to grab him, I would care as much. But at 5, he is a huge risk.

Same goes for Robert Quinn by the way. Different story, similar red flags.

Patrick Peterson all the way.

 

[Chopper0080]

i asked him on twitter if he would like to play for cardinals,he wrote me this:

Cameron2Newton Cameron Newton



Honestly man I would love to play with the dolphins.I think I would fit into that offense well

I can't blame him for wanting to go in the first round.